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    This was my first chance to watch the Pacers this season and I have several observations.

    I like the new floor a lot, it looks really good in person, does not look as good on TV, but in person the white border looks very sharp. Good job to who ever designed the floor.

    The list of Pacers who did not play is too long to list, so let me just discuss those who did play.

    Saras - I don't have him figured out yet. He lost the ball several times and had a lot of trouble against the pressure defense of Troy Hudson, I mean he had all kinds of trouble, He made AJ look like Jason Kidd. Saras dribbled the ball off his foot, he threw the ball away several times and simply could not deal with the pressure defense

    However, I'm not ready to give up on him, thats for sure. But I do question whether he is an NBA point guard. But he does have a lot of leadership skills, at times he reminded me of Mark Jackson. Saras knows how to run a team. I just don't know if he lacks quickness or if he is just tentative right now.

    My sense is that Saras is a specialist, and yet he has some skills that starting point guards have. As I said I don't have him figured out yet. He sees the floor, he can shoot, he can do a lot of things, and he seems to be able to make plays in the clutch. Tinsley might start but if Saras can continue to make plays at crunch time Saras might finish games.

    I really studied his defense tonight and I was expecting the worst. Overall I was pleasantly surprised. He reminds me very much of Mark Jackson on the defensive end. Sure, I wish he could pressure the ball and be a lockdown defender, but we know he never will be. But his anticipation is excellent, he was able to get several deflections.


    Granger - He reminds me of someone. Scottie Pippen, maybe a little, but he reminds me of someone else and I can't put my finger on it - it drove me crazy all game long. He is taller and bigger than I thought so look for him to play a lot of power forward. The thing that I liked best about him was his team defense, for a rookie his team defense is shockingly good. He helps from the weakside, he's always in the right position, he never looked lost out there on the defensive end that is very unusual for a rookie.

    No it is not Pippen. Pippen is more of a point forward, I don't think Danny is that. I just can't put my finger on who he reminds me of. The best thing I can say about him is he knows how to play basketball

    Walker - I swear he's no taller than Granger. I suppose we have to keep him, but if he plays any this season we are in big trouble.

    Overall tonight the Pacers interior defense was very poor espeically early on, they miss POllard, Foster, J.O and DH.

    Cro - he was shooting well tonight and he must have done something to his hair, he looks like he has more on top than he did 5 months ago.

    Jax - Was OK, Gill seemed a little better than I remembered . I don't care about any of the other guys who aren't going to make the team.

    Let me end with Artest. He scored 26 point on 12 shots. He shot 8 for 12 and he seemed to be very much within the offense. He did seem to get a little tired, but I think that is why Rick is playing him a lot of minutes.

    Not seeing David Craig on the bench seemed strange, He has been on the bench every gsame I've ever watched.

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    Granger - He reminds me of someone. Scottie Pippen, maybe a little, but he reminds me of someone else and I can't put my finger on it - it drove me crazy all game long. He is taller and bigger than I thought so look for him to play a lot of power forward. The thing that I liked best about him was his team defense, for a rookie his team defense is shockingly good. He helps from the weakside, he's always in the right position, he never looked lost out there on the defensive end that is very unusual for a rookie.
    What does that mean exactly? What is the weak side?

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    I liked Saras in the clutch. Buried a shot and made the right passes. Agreed the quickness of Minnesota seemed to bother him early, but I think that is only an adjustment thing.

    Laughed my butt off at your Cro comment about his hair. But by damn it's true. He does have more hair, or at least looks like he does. Why didn't I think of that.

    Agreed Granger is not a Scottie Pippen. But he's a ball player. Not sure who he is most like either.

    Love those long arms, that moxy, and the willingness to mix it up. He appears to be one of the smarter rookies I've seen. I'd imagine he is one rookie Rick won't mind playing.

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    What does that mean exactly? What is the weak side?
    The weak side is the opposite side of the court from the ball.......

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    What does that mean exactly? What is the weak side?
    The weak side is the side of the floor without the ball.

    I saw the same thing Buck did. Granger knows where the ball is at the defensive end and he plays the ball as well as his defensive assignment.

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    Granger reminds me of a more athletic James Worthy.

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    Granger reminds me of a more athletic James Worthy.

    I think Worthy was more athletic than Granger is. Granger seems like a guy who is able and willing to provide the team whatever it might need on a certain night. Of course it is going to take him a couple of seasons to reach that point, but he will get there. Granger reminds me a little bit of James Jones

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    I think Worthy was more athletic than Granger is.
    I dunno. Granger runs the floor well, and can obviously jump through the roof. I think he has a bit more shooting range than Worthy too.

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    The weak side is the opposite side of the court from the ball.......
    Gracias.

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    Granger reminds me of a more athletic James Worthy.
    ..as opposed to an UNathletic James Worthy?

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    This was my first chance to watch the Pacers this season and I have several observations.
    And yet you posted an earlier thread bashing Artest and saying that this team doesn't need him? Seems as though you are contradicting yourself.


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    ..as opposed to an UNathletic James Worthy?
    Yeah, no kidding. Maybe it's a more athletic Dominique Wilkins. Or to use a more modern example, a more athletic Jason Richardson.

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    And yet you posted an earlier thread bashing Artest and saying that this team doesn't need him? Seems as though you are contradicting yourself.


    ...and this means he cant have an observation?

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    Yeah, no kidding. Maybe it's a more athletic Dominique Wilkins. Or to use a more modern example, a more athletic Jason Richardson.
    You know, like a reggie miller, only with 3-point shooting ability...

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    You know, like a reggie miller, only with 3-point shooting ability...
    I thought it was like a John Stockton who could see the floor.

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    ..as opposed to an UNathletic James Worthy?
    I never said Worthy wasn't athletic. But feel free to be an *** anyway as it's what you do best.

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    Oh SNAP!
    Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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    taller and bigger than I thought so look for him to play a lot of power forward.
    Yes UB that is what I was saying as well for awhile he is bigger than some give him credit for and he plays bigger than he is as well ...with that over 7ft wingspan really helps.

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    I never said Worthy wasn't athletic. But feel free to be an *** anyway as it's what you do best.
    Well, if Granger is a more athletic James Worthy, than he must be arguably the most athletic player in NBA history. I haven't seen him play, so maybe you're right.

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    Well, if Granger is a more athletic James Worthy, than he must be arguably the most athletic player in NBA history. I haven't seen him play, so maybe you're right.
    Ditto.

    So shags, what'd you think of Maxiell? I thought he was like Barkley, but, you know, stronger and a better rebounder.

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    Well, if Granger is a more athletic James Worthy, than he must be arguably the most athletic player in NBA history. I haven't seen him play, so maybe you're right.
    Well that's certainly a skewed opinion....I know that Worthy was athletic, but more athletic than KG? Dominique? Shawn Kemp in his prime? There are a TON of players that I consider to be more athletic that Worthy.

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    I never said Worthy wasn't athletic. But feel free to be an *** anyway as it's what you do best.
    I was thinking the same thing. Talk about taking something out of context just to be an ***. Ofcourse I'd be upset too if my teams biggest rival just picked up a top-5 talent with the 17th pick in the draft while my GM continued to make laughably bad picks. (Darko, Maxiell, Delfino, Rodney White, etc.)

    And as for Granger - he reminds me of a mixture of Tayshaun Prince and Tracy McGrady. Obviously a superior talent to Prince, inferior to McGrady in terms of skills and athleticism, however his basketball IQ may be higher than both put together. This guy looks like a future 10 time All-Star to me.

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    ...and this means he cant have an observation?
    I guess I need to spell it out for you since you aren't capable of understanding it. He says that this team doesn't need Artest, then says he had his first observation of the team tonight. Kind of hard to make a comment on the team before you actually observe it. Anyone with an IQ over 45 should be able to figure that out. It's a good thing that I am here to point out common sense for you. If you decide to be a smart with me again, I'll be more than happy to show you the error of your ways. It's the least I can do for an apparent Pistons fan on a Pacers message board.


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    ....so 2 preseason games in, and Granger is better than a guy thats in the hall of fame, and a future 10-time all-star?

    Ok, just checking.

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    ....so 2 preseason games in, and Granger is better than a guy thats in the hall of fame, and a future 10-time all-star?

    Ok, just checking.
    If that's what you read, then you need to go back to school. I didn't say he was better than Worthy. Seriously, just stop, you're not only making yourself look like an ***, but an *** that can't read.

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