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    Pacers may use Artest off bench
    Carlisle says playing with the reserve unit would give forward more offensive impact

    By Mark Montieth
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    Ron Artest has played in an All-Star Game and been named Defensive Player of the Year. This year, it's possible he will be eligible for another honor: Sixth Man of the Year.

    Indiana Pacers coach Rick Carlisle is considering bringing Artest off the bench this season. The move would balance the scoring between the first and second units, and make Artest more of an offensive focal point.

    "We'll look at it (in preseason games) and see how it plays out," Carlisle said Friday. "If it's the right thing to do we'll do it, and if it's not we won't.

    "You look at San Antonio last year. (Manu) Ginobili was an All-Star who was willing to do that, and at times it really strengthened their situation."
    Ginobili was the Spurs' second-leading scorer (20.8) during their playoff run to a championship but came off the bench for eight of their 23 postseason games.

    Artest has no problem with the change if Carlisle goes that way.
    "I can play with anybody," he said. "I'm more focused on winning. As long as we win a ring, I'm cool with it."

    Artest often seems to excel most when playing with reserves, particularly those who rarely get playing time and show a particular hunger to win.
    "He has an affinity for the 'everyman' type of player," Carlisle said. "He's been here the last two summers working out with summer league players.

    It's something he has a liking for."
    Carlisle said he has no idea who would start at small forward if Artest comes off the bench.

    Call Star reporter Mark Montieth at (317) 444-6406.

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    Damn, this could be interesting, not sure they would do this and stick with it permanently, but I would have to imagine that the idea would be for Danny Granger to start, especially with Ron's recent comments about if there was anyone on the team he would be willing to sit for, it was Danny.

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    JO and Artest still can't get along?

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    Default Re: IndyStar article: Pacers may use Artest off bench....

    Fascinating...

    I'd be all for it...

    We could start SJax at SF and either Freddy or Saras at SG...

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    I recall a recent Artest quote that he would be willing to sit for Granger and that Granger is a "superstar in the making". I think Artest leaked the plans. But, I am still surprised by this development.

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    I could very easily see Granger as the starting small forward and keep Jackson as the starting shooting guard. Saras runs the point off the bench
    after Tinsley comes out. Jones comes off the bench as a shooting guard
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    Default Re: IndyStar article: Pacers may use Artest off bench....

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    JO and Artest still can't get along?

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    I thought the same thing. It might help team chemistry. I also thought it might keep the spot light (or target) off the Pacers' back.

    It might also be that the Pacers think Granger is a better team player in terms of executing offensive sets....passing the ball for example. Artest is a great "individual" offensive and defensive player but Granger might just be a better fit for the starting line-up.

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    I don't think it will work. If he doesnt start that will let players like Kobe Bryant and t-mac to get off to very fast starts. Then when artest gets in the game the teams best scorer will be on the bench.
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    I don't think it will work. If he doesnt start that will let players like Kobe Bryant and t-mac to get off to very fast starts. Then when artest gets in the game the teams best scorer will be on the bench.

    Eh... neither is in our conference and we are unlikely to meet either in the playoffs...

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    JO and Artest still can't get along?

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    That is quite a leap isn't it. Bball, let's say you are correct, then we're screwed anyway because we all know that Ron and J.O. will both be on the floor in the 4th quarter and for other important parts of the game. So if they aren't getting along I don't see how Ron coming off the bench helps the situation at all.

    mmpfm1 - you make a great point. Why let PP, Bron and other great players get off and then bring Ron in to try and slow them down, it is much easier to keep someone cold then to cool them off when they are hot.

    As far as who starts in Ron's place. Unless it's Granger I have no idea who it could be. Bender is still way too big of a question mark to put him in the starting lineup. If you did, stability of having a set starting lineup would not be there.

    I know sometimes it is better to start rookies, it helps them get more respect from the refs, and it can also help the rooks confidence. So if Granger is ready, I think he'll start, and likely play about 15 minutes a game, Ron will come in at about the 6 minute mark of the 1st and 3rd and play the rest of the game.

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    This is very interesting! I wish they would televise pre-season games.


    Who would start in Ron's place? Most likely Danny. I can't see moving Jax to SF and Fred starting at 2 guard. Then again A1 has started and stared from there. And starting Sarunas at two along with Tins wouldn't be the best defensively.

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    Default Re: IndyStar article: Pacers may use Artest off bench....

    Interesting...


    Does this mean that Granger is really *that* good? That's certainly a really good thing for the Pacers.

    It does let Ron be "the Man" for a while the games - if that's what he wants.

    Like others, I want Ron out there for the opening tip to set the tone of the game with those superstar SF/SG's we face. But it is a 48 minute game.

    I think if you want to play Ron with the 2nd unit more, you start him and just take him out earlier. Then bring him back when you are ready to put more of the 2nd unit on the floor.


    Also, Ron says he's OK with it if "we win a ring". What happens if we have a 3 game losing streak? Does he start grumbling that maybe he should start again? Does he start free-lancing all the time so the 2nd unit turns into "the Ron Artest show" while 4 players stand around watching him?

    Actually, that last question is relevant even if we don't have a losing streak.
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    Does he start free-lancing all the time so the 2nd unit turns into "the Ron Artest show" while 4 players stand around watching him?

    That is a concern to me. And then just imagine in the fourth quarter when Ron is out there with the starters and Ron has gotten used to free-lancing, can he re-adjust.

    I don't see Ron coming off the bench, but this is the second comment Rick has made about brining one of the best players off the bench and now he has put a name to that.

    Just an aside: does anyone think for one second that J.O. would ever be willing to come off the bench. I'm not saying he should come off the bench, but I think J.O would not be happy at all coming off the bench but I think Ron would be fine if he came off the bench

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    Default Re: IndyStar article: Pacers may use Artest off bench....

    That would be amazing if Granger were good enough to start as a rookie!

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    Default Re: IndyStar article: Pacers may use Artest off bench....

    The best thing being able to play Ron as part of the 2nd unit is we have 2 PGs who can control the tempo and create, getting either JO or Ron as the primary options lots of good looks. If Ron was playing with the 2nd unit, there are plenty of capable scorers so I dont think he would try to take over. Saras, Bender, Hulk and Freddy can all score.

    If it could improve Granger's situation by starting him and provide more balance to the rotation then i'm happy with the idea. Depending on how good a defender Danny turns out to be, they could be a devestating tandem of defenders at the SF spot. How distraught would PP be to have Granger all over him for the first 6 mins only to have Ron come on and destroy him.

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    mmpfm1 - you make a great point. Why let PP, Bron and other great players get off and then bring Ron in to try and slow them down, it is much easier to keep someone cold then to cool them off when they are hot.
    That's assuming that Granger isn't a good defender in his own right.

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    That's assuming that Granger isn't a good defender in his own right.

    I'm expecting him to be a good defender. But Ron is a superstar defender and the refs know what Ron likes to do defensively, so he can get away with a few more things than a a rookie such as Granger. So Granger won't be as good as Ron

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    Always a good idea, if we're going to keep this guy around, to have a "Plan B", or some way to minimize his ability to be detrimental to the overall TEAM.
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    If this is serious, and Granger is good enough to even consider bringing Ron off the bench, I predict a ROY for Granger right now. If he's good enough to replace Ron in the lineup, who picked before him is better than that?

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    Default Re: IndyStar article: Pacers may use Artest off bench....

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    I'm expecting him to be a good defender. But Ron is a superstar defender and the refs know what Ron likes to do defensively, so he can get away with a few more things than a a rookie such as Granger. So Granger won't be as good as Ron
    Good to know you're keeping an open mind about a player none of us have seen.

    Just teasing - I know what you actually mean. But I think you're just worried that by year 2, when the refs and Granger have gotten to know each other, that Ron will be redundant, defensively.
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    Default Re: IndyStar article: Pacers may use Artest off bench....

    I don't understand playing Artest off the bench at all. I'd want him guarding the opponent's top perimeter scorer right from the get go, rather than coming in after they may already have a rhythm going. And when I hear about Artest as an "offensive focal point," all I think about is his playoff series two years ago against the Pistons when he basically decided to be a one-man team on offense and kept forcing things only to get shut down by Prince time after time.

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    Default Re: IndyStar article: Pacers may use Artest off bench....

    So our starting lineup(s) could be:

    Tins PG
    Jax SG
    Granger SF
    JO PF
    Hulk C

    or

    Saras PG
    Jax SG
    Artest SF
    JO PF
    Foster C

    or

    Tins PG
    Saras SG
    Jax SF
    JO PF
    Foster or Hulk C

    This will be a very interesting year to say the least. I am about 100% sure that we will see all of those lineups at some point in the season and possibly a few others.

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    Always a good idea, if we're going to keep this guy around, to have a "Plan B", or some way to minimize his ability to be detrimental to the overall TEAM.
    And don't think that hasn't crossed TPTB's minds as well. I'm sure it's been talked about openly, in fact.

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    JO and Artest still can't get along?

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    No, this is just to enable JB to revolutionize the SF position.

    Well, obviously the Pacers have faith in Ron's scoring ability. And we certainly saw last year how much we missed having a low-post scorer in the second unit.

    However, I can't shake that this smells funny. Maybe TPTB feel Ron and JO will get along better this way. Or maybe Danny really is that good.

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    I will caveat my statement with the fact that I'm not in the business of being an NBA coach, or even a know-it-all NBA analyst, but...

    I think bringing Artest off the bench is the dumbest idea I have ever heard....He has too much impact on a game to not start. If he is exhibiting detrimental behavior, then we can talk, but until then, he is the friggin' starter.

    If it has something to do with Artest and JO not getting along, then they both need to shut up and play. For all the bold statements JO has been making thus far, it escapes me how something petty could disrupt the team to such a high level.

    As far as I'm concerned, I don't need the 'running of the mouth' statements about whether or not he can lead this team to a championship or not, or if he is the kind of player this city needs or not.....

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    Good God this is stupid. Rick dont do this ****. I hope we play horrible in the first game of the preseason with Ron coming off the bench and he has to start him.

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