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    "Updated: Oct. 3, 2005, 12:19 PM ET
    Pacers overview: Enough minutes to go around?By John Hollinger
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    Indiana Pacers Training Camp
    Site: Conseco Fieldhouse
    Location: Indianapolis, IN
    Start date: October 3
    2004-05 Record: 44-38, 6th in East


    Editor's Note: To preview training camp and the 2005-06 season, John Hollinger addresses three key questions concerning the Pacers.

    1. Can Ron Artest be reformed?

    Indiana's championship hopes effectively ended once Artest charged into the stands in Detroit. Artest was suspended for the season and although the Pacers rebounded to make the second round of the playoffs, they never were serious contenders without his ferocious defense and expanding offensive arsenal.



    The Pacers could sure use some of Ron Artest's muscle.
    The goal for this season is to try to keep Artest's head straight so he doesn't do crazy, impulsive things like whack Richard Hamilton in the mask or try to go one-on-20,000 against the Palace.


    Also, two things were lost in the shuffle in Artest's brief 2004-05 season. First, the Pacers were already losing patience with Artest -- he had been suspended just days earlier for asking to take time off to promote a hip-hop album. Second, despite his attention deficit disorder, Artest was off to the best season of his career. He averaged 24.6 points per game in the seven contests he played and was shooting a career-best 49.6 percent.

    This just raises the stakes even more for the Pacers to keep Artest grounded this season. If he behaves, they could have the best small forward this side of LeBron James. Unfortunately, Artest's track record is discouraging.



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    2. How do they divvy up the minutes?

    The Pacers are the deepest team in the NBA, which was a godsend a year ago when they led the league in games lost to injuries and suspensions. With so many players on the shelf, little-used subs like James Jones and Anthony Johnson were able to step in without the team missing a beat.

    OFFSEASON PLAYER MOVEMENT
    Players lost: Dale Davis, John Edwards, James Jones, Reggie Miller
    Players added: Danny Granger, Sarunas Jasikevicius



    This year, however, it could be more of a curse than a bonus. Even with Reggie Miller retiring and Jones signing with Phoenix as a free agent, the Pacers have 13 players who could reasonably expect to see minutes this season. Since only 12 can even suit up, it's going to create some serious friction if the team stays healthy.

    Things seem particularly tight in the backcourt, where newly signed Sarunas Jasikevicius joins a guard rotation that already includes Stephen Jackson, Fred Jones, Anthony Johnson and Jamaal Tinsley. Similar scenarios are emerging at small forward (Artest, rookie Danny Granger and Jonathan Bender) and at center (Jeff Foster, Scot Pollard and David Harrison).

    Thus, Rick Carlisle's greatest challenge this year may be keeping all the egos in check so that grumbling from the end of the bench doesn't undermine the team's cause. This is especially true now that franchise icon Reggie Miller isn't around to keep order in the clubhouse.



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    3. Will the big three stay healthy?

    Indiana has been eliminated by Detroit in the playoffs in consecutive seasons, and both times the Pacers weren't operating at 100 percent. While Indiana's depth helps it withstand injuries better than most, it needs its three star players -- Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Tinsley -- to be fully functional in order to challenge for the title. Two years ago Tinsley limped through the playoffs on a bad hamstring while O'Neal tweaked his knee; last year O'Neal hurt his shoulder and Tinsley had a foot problem. Artest, of course, disqualified himself with his antics last season and might do so again.

    This also presents Carlisle with an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. He can keep his reserves happy and his studs healthier by limiting the minutes Tinsley and O'Neal play until the playoffs begin. This is especially true in Tinsley's case, since Carlisle has three point guards to share the load. With Tinsley missing 72 games over the past two seasons, in addition to several playoff contests, limiting him to 25 minutes a night while keeping him fresh for the postseason is imperative. If this is the year the Pacers break through and win the East, they'll need to avoid crippling injuries in April and May.

    John Hollinger writes for ESPN Insider. His new book, "Pro Basketball Forecast: 2005-06," is now available at both Amazon.com and Potomac Books, Inc."

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    Surprisely on the ball.

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    How do they divvy up the minutes?

    Guesses?

    Here is mine:

    Total: 240 mpg

    Ron Artest: 38 mpg
    Jermain O'Neal: 35 mpg
    Stephen Jackson: 34 mpg
    Jamaal Tinsley: 26 mpg
    Jeff Foster: 24 mpg
    Saruas Jaskevicious: 23 mpg
    David Harrison: 18 mpg
    Fred Jones: 10 mpg
    Jonathan Bender: 10 mpg
    Danny Granger: 10 mpg
    Scot Pollard: 5 mpg
    Austin Croshere: 5 mpg
    Anthony Johnson : 2 mpg
    Eddie Gill: 1 mpg
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    Total: 241 mpg (due to overtime?)



    PG: Tinsley - 27 mpg, Jaskevicious - 19 mpg, Johnson - 1 mpg
    SG: Jackson - 30 mpg, Jones - 10 mpg, Granger - 4 mpg, Jaskevicious - 4 mpg,
    SF: Artest - 38 mpg, Jackson - 4 mpg, Granger - 6 mpg
    PF: O'Neal - 34 mpg, Bender - 10 mpg, Croshere - 5 mpg
    C: Foster - 24 mpg, Harrison - 18 mpg, Pollard - 5 mpg, O'Neal - 1 mpg

    That is really hard to do... poor Freddy...

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    That is really hard to do... poor Freddy...

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    He can keep his reserves happy and his studs healthier by limiting the minutes Tinsley and O'Neal play until the playoffs begin. This is especially true in Tinsley's case, since Carlisle has three point guards to share the load. With Tinsley missing 72 games over the past two seasons, in addition to several playoff contests, limiting him to 25 minutes a night while keeping him fresh for the postseason is imperative. If this is the year the Pacers break through and win the East, they'll need to avoid crippling injuries in April and May.

    John Hollinger writes for ESPN Insider. His new book, "Pro Basketball Forecast: 2005-06," is now available at both Amazon.com and Potomac Books, Inc."
    I am glad that I am not the only one that thinks that limiting the minutes of Tinsley and JONeal is a way to keep them fresh and from injuring themselves. I know that it doesn't make sense to limit the starters....but with the depth that the team enjoys.....limiting Tinsley to 30mpg ( max ) and JONeal to 32mpg a night would make a huge difference. I'm all for the "keep them off the floor so that they can't injure themselves" philosophy. Also....the less time that JONeal is on the floor...the more shots for Artest, SJax, Tinsley, Sarunas and Freddie.
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    Okay...here is my wacky MPG lineup.

    PG
    - Tinsley (28mpg)
    - Sarunas (12mpg)
    - AJ (8mpg)
    SG
    - SJax (26mpg)
    - Freddie (18mpg)
    - Sarunas (4mpg)
    SF
    - Artest (31mpg)
    - Granger (12mpg)
    - SJax (5mpg)
    PF
    - JONeal (28mpg)
    - Croshere (10mpg)
    - Bender (10mpg)
    C
    - Harrison (20mpg)
    - Foster (24mpg)
    - JONeal (4mpg)

    That would break down into a reduction in minutes to the starters...maxing out the starters play between 28 to 32 mpg.

    Starters:

    - Tinsley would get 28 mpg as the starting PG
    - SJax would get 31 mpg split between the starting SG position and 3rd SF option.
    - Artest would get 31 mpg as the starting SF.
    - JONeal would get 32 mpg split between the starting PF and 3rd Center option.
    - Harrison would be the starting Center but only play 20 mpg.

    Backcourt Rotation:

    - Freddie would get 18 mpg as the primary backup SG.
    - Sarunas would get 16 mpg as the primary backup PG and 3rd SG option.
    - AJ would get 8mpg as the 3rd PG option.

    Frontcourt Rotation:

    - Granger would get 12 mpg as the primary backup SF option.
    - Croshere and Bender would get 10 mpg each as the 2nd and 3rd PF options.
    - Foster would get 24 mpg as the primary backup Center.

    Gill and Pollard would somehow get garbage minutes with Pollard getting more minute to play the Big Frontcourts.

    My philosophy is that the Freddie and Foster deserve more minutes cuz they earned it from last year. Also...I would start Hulk but give Foster more minutes off the bench where the Hulk would rotate in and play the majority of his minutes during the 1st and 3rd quarters to provide a scoring punch......a la Eddy Curry. Its mainly up to the new comers ( Sarunas and Granger ) to earn more minutes in the rotation based on their play. Although Sarunas maybe the better offensive option on the floor...I prefer to give slightly more minutes to Freddie due to his defense. I know many of you think that Sarunas should immediately play ahead of Freddie in the rotation...but he has to earn the right to play ahead of a guy that earned the right to be called the backup SG. If Sarunas gets more minutes...it will probably be at the expense of AJs minutes.
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    How do they divvy up the minutes?

    Guesses?

    Here is mine:

    Total: 240 mpg

    Ron Artest: 38 mpg
    Jermain O'Neal: 35 mpg
    Stephen Jackson: 34 mpg
    Jamaal Tinsley: 26 mpg
    Jeff Foster: 24 mpg
    Saruas Jaskevicious: 23 mpg
    David Harrison: 18 mpg
    Fred Jones: 10 mpg
    Jonathan Bender: 10 mpg
    Danny Granger: 10 mpg
    Scot Pollard: 5 mpg
    Austin Croshere: 5 mpg
    Anthony Johnson : 2 mpg
    Eddie Gill: 1 mpg
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    Total: 241 mpg (due to overtime?)



    PG: Tinsley - 27 mpg, Jaskevicious - 19 mpg, Johnson - 1 mpg
    SG: Jackson - 30 mpg, Jones - 10 mpg, Granger - 4 mpg, Jaskevicious - 4 mpg,
    SF: Artest - 38 mpg, Jackson - 4 mpg, Granger - 6 mpg
    PF: O'Neal - 34 mpg, Bender - 10 mpg, Croshere - 5 mpg
    C: Foster - 24 mpg, Harrison - 18 mpg, Pollard - 5 mpg, O'Neal - 1 mpg

    That is really hard to do... poor Freddy...
    Actually you can't divvy minutes up that way. Well you can, but no way is every Pacer player going to be available for every game. That's the only way minutes would average out at 240.

    What happens is say Tinsley gets hurt and he's averaging 34 minutes a game. He misses 20 games. Mean while Sarunas minutes climb from 25 to 35 and AJ's minutes climb from 0 to 20.

    So at the end of the season even though the Pacers only play games that are 240 minutes long, barring overtime, the averages of each player added together are much more than 240.

    So instead of 241 minutes you need to add a lot more. (grin)

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    Thus, Rick Carlisle's greatest challenge this year may be keeping all the egos in check so that grumbling from the end of the bench doesn't undermine the team's cause. This is especially true now that franchise icon Reggie Miller isn't around to keep order in the clubhouse.
    He was able to do the exact opposite last year, this year could prove to be just as much as a challange.

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    He was able to do the exact opposite last year, this year could prove to be just as much as a challange.
    I think it will be more of a challenge, especially without player-friendly Mike Brown to back him up.
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    How do they divvy up the minutes?

    Guesses?

    Here is mine:

    Total: 240 mpg

    Ron Artest: 38 mpg
    Jermain O'Neal: 35 mpg
    Stephen Jackson: 34 mpg
    Jamaal Tinsley: 26 mpg
    Jeff Foster: 24 mpg
    Saruas Jaskevicious: 23 mpg
    David Harrison: 18 mpg
    Fred Jones: 10 mpg
    Jonathan Bender: 10 mpg
    Danny Granger: 10 mpg
    Scot Pollard: 5 mpg
    Austin Croshere: 5 mpg
    Anthony Johnson : 2 mpg
    Eddie Gill: 1 mpg
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    Total: 241 mpg (due to overtime?)



    PG: Tinsley - 27 mpg, Jaskevicious - 19 mpg, Johnson - 1 mpg
    SG: Jackson - 30 mpg, Jones - 10 mpg, Granger - 4 mpg, Jaskevicious - 4 mpg,
    SF: Artest - 38 mpg, Jackson - 4 mpg, Granger - 6 mpg
    PF: O'Neal - 34 mpg, Bender - 10 mpg, Croshere - 5 mpg
    C: Foster - 24 mpg, Harrison - 18 mpg, Pollard - 5 mpg, O'Neal - 1 mpg

    That is really hard to do... poor Freddy...
    Be a 90 degree day in January when a no defense playing rookie gets more minutes than Freddie.

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    Be a 90 degree day in January when a no defense playing rookie gets more minutes than Freddie.
    I betcha Freddie is the 1st or 2nd option off the bench. I wouldn't be surprised if Bird tries to showcase Freddie's talent so that he can be used in a Trade deadline deal with Pollard or AJ.
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    Actually you can't divvy minutes up that way. Well you can, but no way is every Pacer player going to be available for every game. That's the only way minutes would average out at 240.

    What happens is say Tinsley gets hurt and he's averaging 34 minutes a game. He misses 20 games. Mean while Sarunas minutes climb from 25 to 35 and AJ's minutes climb from 0 to 20.

    So at the end of the season even though the Pacers only play games that are 240 minutes long, barring overtime, the averages of each player added together are much more than 240.

    So instead of 241 minutes you need to add a lot more. (grin)
    Very true... I thought about this... You have to assume (a big assumption) that no one gets injured... Hence, IF there were no injuries, those would be the minutes that I'd expect..

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    Be a 90 degree day in January when a no defense playing rookie gets more minutes than Freddie.
    Maybe I was a little harsh on Jones... but I'd bet that Sarunas gets more time than Freddie...

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    Maybe I was a little harsh on Jones... but I'd bet that Sarunas gets more time than Freddie...

    I agree. I think Freddie and AJ will fill the pinch the most. I wouldn't be surprised if either one of them are traded (maybe even both in a 2-for-1 trade) before the trade deadline in Feb.
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    I betcha Freddie is the 1st or 2nd option off the bench. I wouldn't be surprised if Bird tries to showcase Freddie's talent so that he can be used in a Trade deadline deal with Pollard or AJ.
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