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    Sheed sheds 20 pounds

    First let me mention I love training camp. No I'm not saying I love the preseason games, I love the part that starts tomorrow and ends with the first preseason game. It is a crucial 7 day stretch where the whole tone of the season is set.

    OK enough of that, how could Sheed lose 20 LBS, here is the article


    http://www.detnews.com/2005/pistons/...D01-335250.htm




    Key dates


    Tuesday: First training camp workouts

    Oct. 11: Exhibition opener, vs. Chicago at Grand Rapids

    Oct. 13: First home exhibition game, vs. Milwaukee. Pistons also play home exhibitions Oct. 16 (Minnesota), Oct. 18 (Dallas), Oct. 22 (Miami).

    Nov. 2: Season and home opener, vs. Philadelphia.

    Dec. 2: Forner coach Larry Brown returns to Detroit for the first time with his new team, the New York Knicks.

    Dec. 25: It's a rematch of the NBA Finals vs. San Antonio.

    Dec. 29: Mega-stars Shaquille O'Neal and Dwyane Wade arrive with Miami.

    Feb. 23: The battling Indiana Pacers make their first visit of the season.


    Saunders' to-do list


    New Pistons coach Flip Saunders will officially open his first training camp today. Here are a few of the items on his to-do list:

    • Establish a rotation. Saunders has made it clear he wants to use a nine-man and sometimes 10-man rotation, especially early in the season.

    There won't be any true position fights to speak of -- the starting five is locked, as are rotation spots for Antonio McDyess and, most likely, Lindsey Hunter.

    But the competition will be fierce for the last three rotation spots.

    In the front court, Darko Milicic, Dale Davis and rookie Jason Maxiell will vie to be the fourth big man. Rookie Amir Johnson is also in the mix there, but, at 18 years old, he is pretty raw.

    One of the best battles will be for playing time at the swing positions -- shooting guard and small forward. Maurice Evans, Ron Dupree and Carlos Delfino will all be scrapping for time behind Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince.

    Carlos Arroyo will be pressing Hunter for time behind point guard Chauncey Billups. Saunders is fond of Arroyo's ability to play pick-and-roll basketball.

    Rookie Alex Acker is also in the mix at the two guard spots.

    • The final 15. Somebody will eventually have to go. The Pistons have 15 guaranteed contracts (including rookies Maxiell and Johnson). Acker, though not guaranteed, has an excellent chance to make the team.

    Among those on the bubble is third-year forward Dupree, whose one-year contract would cost the Pistons $620,000 to eat.

    • Install new offense. This will take some time. Saunders' playbook is thicker than the Pistons are used to. But, once it's in, it's in. The Pistons won't miss Larry Brown's tendency to put in four new plays during a postseason shoot-around.

    Saunders plans to use Rasheed Wallace much the same way he used Kevin Garnett in Minnesota, almost forcing Wallace to become more active and assertive offensively.

    Interesting to see, too, how he integrates Ben Wallace into the offense. From the early reports, Saunders likes to get his big men the ball off movement, not off straight, stand-still post-ups, which should be good for Wallace and McDyess.

    • Liberate Darko. Brown often chided Darko Milicic for wanting to play like Toni Kukoc. Well, Saunders is encouraging Milicic to play like Kukoc.

    Saunders sees Milicic as more of a perimeter-oriented big man. He plans to exploit Milicic's excellent passing skills and his ability to score off movement. He won't force Milicic to be a stand-still, low-post player.

    It will be interesting to see how Milicic responds.

    • Reprogram Chauncey Billups. To a certain degree, the shackles are off for Billups. Unlike Brown, Saunders will encourage his point guards to be aggressive offensively. He won't discourage Billups from firing up three-pointers.

    But, Saunders will make it clear that Billups' first order of business is to run the offense. He will hold Billups accountable for his decision-making. Point guards in Saunders' offense consistently average eight or more assists per game.

    Billups will be expected to distribute in that range, as well.

    Pistons are hungry to reclaim NBA title


    By Chris McCosky / The Detroit News


    Forward Rasheed Wallace will be used in much the same way Kevin Garnett was in Minnesota.






    AUBURN HILLS -- Last year at this time, Ben Wallace was recovering from an emergency appendectomy, showing off his long, nasty scar.

    Rasheed Wallace was proudly patting his swollen belly, showing off the remnants of what he called the spoils of victory.

    Richard Hamilton, Chauncey Billups and the rest of the Pistons were reluctantly dragging themselves back to work -- big-headed and heavy-legged -- after a short but hardy summer of victory parades and championship celebrations.

    It's all different this year.

    Last season didn't end with a trophy and a victory parade. It ended with a punch in the gut; a stunning loss in Game 7 to the Spurs in San Antonio.

    There was a coaching change, an infusion of some new ideas and new energy.

    All the drama and tension that came with the genius of Larry Brown was swept out, replaced by the calmer and more stable approach of Flip Saunders.

    The fat and happy attitude that preceded last season has also been swept out, replaced by a renewed hunger and a sense of rejuvenation.

    "Everybody is ready to get started," Ben Wallace said.

    Most already have. Training camp officially opens Tuesday, with media day today, but most of the core players have been at the practice facility working out and scrimmaging for two weeks.

    Some, like Rasheed Wallace, have been around most of the summer. A flat-bellied Wallace is very nearly in midseason form, having dropped some 20 pounds since the end of last season.

    "I think everybody has the feeling like we lost something," Ben Wallace said. "We all feel like we have to recapture that throne. You know, we had it, we lost it and now we want it back."

    Wallace, for one, is confident that Saunders is the right guy to lead them back to it.

    "Chauncey played for him in Minnesota and I talked to Chauncey over the summer," Wallace said. "He let me know that Flip is one of those guys that likes to teach. He's not all up in your face and he's not looking to change anything that's working.

    "This is just a matter of us staying together and trying to make his job easier, rather than him coming in and making it easier for us. All we need to keep this thing growing is someone to come in and keep things organized."

    Saunders agrees with Wallace's main premise -- he won't change anything that has been working.

    "Teams that have made consistent runs in this league, they have all had their teams together for a while," Saunders said.

    "You look back at the old Chicago teams, the old Lakers teams, the old Celtics, they all had their core group together. The key thing is stability."

    Thus, Saunders isn't about to tinker with a starting five that has won 108 regular-season games and been to the Finals two straight seasons. He loves that key reserves Antonio McDyess, Lindsey Hunter, Carlos Arroyo and Carlos Delfino are back.

    He is also excited by the infusion of veterans and youth to the bench, with the likes of Dale Davis, Maurice Evans and Jason Maxiell.

    "I am not looking to make drastic changes," he said. "We are still going to play tough, nitty-gritty Pistons defense. That orientation isn't going to change. Who we are as a basketball team isn't going to change."

    There will be changes, though, obvious ones.

    Saunders will play a deeper bench than Brown did, especially early in the season. He feels strongly that the Pistons starters have logged too many minutes the last two seasons and it affected their play down the stretch last season -- particularly that of Tayshaun Prince.

    Saunders likes to rotate up to nine players into a game, which means more playing time for Arroyo, Delfino and Darko Milicic.

    Offensively, the Pistons will be more diverse, more motion-oriented and less predictable. Saunders' playbook is twice as large as Brown's, but unlike Brown's, once the system is in, there is no changing or tweaking it.

    Saunders' teams in Minnesota were known for offensive efficiency, always ranked near the top in assists and low turnovers.

    "It's sort of like the old Vince Lombardi thing," Saunders said. "He was going to run student body right and student body left.

    "It didn't matter if they knew what was coming because we are going to execute it so well and we will have so many options off of it that it won't matter what they do to try and stop it. We know we have counters to everything."

    Rasheed Wallace will play a more prominent role in Saunders' offense. He will, in effect, play the same role Kevin Garnett played for him in Minnesota.

    Saunders will try to exploit not only his ability to score but also his ability to pass and create for others.

    "Right now, the emphasis will be on getting comfortable; both them with me and me with them," Saunders said. "It's about understanding personalities in different situations and knowing how we play."
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    Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

    Well, last season Sheed was really overweight coming into training camp. He may have been pushing 275 to 280, and his listed playing weight is 230. Part of it was that he couldn't work out due to the plantar fascitis he played through in the playoffs, and part of it was due to the "spoils of victory". I doubt he ever got below 250 last season, so maybe know he's down to his listed weight of 230.

    Frankly, I'm stunned by this. I thought Sheed coming to camp overweight and playing himself into shape was part of the Rasheed Wallace package, and it's something that you have to live with because of his contributions on the court. Everything I've read or heard seems like Sheed will bend over backwards to please Flip Saunders, and he is really taking his bonehead play in Game 5 personally. I was a little worried about Sheed's attitude with Brown gone. There are no worries now.

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    • #3
      Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

      Rasheed was not THAT overweight last year. He was just really out of shape.

      Two factors in this:

      1) Sheed is the goat from last year's finals and he knows it. It was his bonehead mistake that cost us game 5. He knows he has something to prove now.

      2) No more "Tar Heel Rules." Larry was tough on everyone on the team. Well, everyone EXCEPT Rasheed Wallace. SHeed could do whatever he wanted, and Larry wasnt going to critisize him or punish him. Flip has no such problems.

      Rasheed told Flip last week that the world was going to see a "new, aggressive" Rasheed, and he told Flip that he wanted to be "the man" in the offense, and he wants to be an all-star this year. According to Flip, Sheed emphasized that he was going to re-invent himself this season.

      For whatever the reason, something lit a fire under his butt, and he's actually worked HARD over the summer for the first time in 10 years, and he's coming into camp in great shape.

      A motivated rasheed alone would make the pistons a better team than last year, aside from some of the bench additions we'll have in Evans, Dale, Delfino and Darko.

      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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      • #4
        Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

        That is bad news, Sheed is the one guy on the Pistons that can still raise his level of play quite a bit. (Prince can also, but Bullups, Rip and Ben are maxed out)

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        • #5
          Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

          Originally posted by Kstat
          Rasheed was not THAT overweight last year. He was just really out of shape.

          Two factors in this:

          1) Sheed is the goat from last year's finals and he knows it. It was his bonehead mistake that cost us game 5. He knows he has something to prove now.

          2) No more "Tar Heel Rules." Larry was tough on everyone on the team. Well, everyone EXCEPT Rasheed Wallace. SHeed could do whatever he wanted, and Larry wasnt going to critisize him or punish him. Flip has no such problems.

          Rasheed told Flip last week that the world was going to see a "new, aggressive" Rasheed, and he told Flip that he wanted to be "the man" in the offense, and he wants to be an all-star this year. According to Flip, Sheed emphasized that he was going to re-invent himself this season.

          For whatever the reason, something lit a fire under his butt, and he's actually worked HARD over the summer for the first time in 10 years, and he's coming into camp in great shape.

          A motivated rasheed alone would make the pistons a better team than last year, aside from some of the bench additions we'll have in Evans, Dale, Delfino and Darko.
          If all that pans out and if Flip's willing to go with a "featured offensive player" formula, we may see a player who will be mentioned in the same breath with Duncan or KG.

          Monster, monster talent - and still in the prime of his career.
          The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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          • #6
            Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

            Probably in muscle. That pot can really affect you.

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            • #7
              Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

              While I am hopeful that this is a foreshadowing of great things to come from Rasheed this year, lets not forget that Shaq "lost 20 pounds" prior to last season to little effect on his game overall.

              Of course they are different players with different roles and skills, but we;ll see if the "motivation, weight loss, and coaching change" formula translates any different as far as Rasheed's game.

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              • #8
                Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

                Shaq actually was a monster last year, until he got hurt and re-gained his weight. Shaq came into camp in GREAT shape.

                It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                • #9
                  Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

                  Originally posted by DisplacedKnick
                  If all that pans out and if Flip's willing to go with a "featured offensive player" formula, we may see a player who will be mentioned in the same breath with Duncan or KG.

                  Monster, monster talent - and still in the prime of his career.

                  Flip has already said he wants to see what Sheed can do in KG's old spot.

                  Not that Rasheed will be KG, but he'll be getting the ball in many of the same spots.

                  It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

                    started drug testing
                    stopped smoking weed
                    stopped getting the muchies
                    lost weight

                    The dots connect.
                    The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                    • #11
                      Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

                      Originally posted by Kstat
                      Shaq actually was a monster last year, until he got hurt and re-gained his weight. Shaq came into camp in GREAT shape.
                      His numbers prior and post his injuries last season are pretty much even with his numbers prior and post injuries the year before.

                      I agree he came into camp in better shape (hence my comparing it to Sheed) but it resulted in very little change in his game.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

                        Originally posted by Kstat
                        Not that Rasheed will be KG, but he'll be getting the ball in many of the same spots.

                        He could be close, very close to KG

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                        • #13
                          Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck
                          He could be close, very close to KG

                          No. He couldn't. You don't get 10 years into your career as a 16/5/2/47% player with a bad attitude and then just turn into one of the most skilled and versatile forwards ever (as KG is). If anything, Sheeds game will continue to deteriorate as he ages. I look for the Pistons, with their huge downgrade at coach, to struggle mightily next year and for Rasheed to be traded by the deadline for a solid young talent to build towards the future with. Perhaps something along the lines of Sheed and Darko to Denver for Nene and filler?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

                            Originally posted by Naptown Seth

                            No. He couldn't. You don't get 10 years into your career as a 16/5/2/47% player with a bad attitude and then just turn into one of the most skilled and versatile forwards ever (as KG is). If anything, Sheeds game will continue to deteriorate as he ages. I look for the Pistons, with their huge downgrade at coach, to struggle mightily next year and for Rasheed to be traded by the deadline for a solid young talent to build towards the future with. Perhaps something along the lines of Sheed and Darkot Denver for Nene and filler.
                            Well I'm not thinking about next year, I'm more worried about this year.

                            Actually Sheed is and always has been one of the most skilled and versatile forwards ever. That has never been his problem. His biggest problem is he has been too unselfish and simply not aggressive enough, that and his run in with the refs. If he decides to change his approach and if he has a coach that force feeds him and forces him to be aggresive, look out.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Sheed lost 20 pounds

                              Originally posted by Naptown Seth
                              I look for the Pistons, with their huge downgrade at coach, to struggle mightily next year and for Rasheed to be traded by the deadline for a solid young talent to build towards the future with. Perhaps something along the lines of Sheed and Darko to Denver for Nene and filler?
                              Wow.

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