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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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    Edge's Stock going up.....

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...ur-downs_x.htm

    Four downs: James' stock sees a run-up
    By Skip Wood, USA TODAY
    Four downs. Four chances to examine a key moment, trend, stat or performance. Every Tuesday we'll analyze four things from NFL Sunday and consider how they'll play out the following week.
    Edgerrin James has had Peyton Manning's back as the Colts have bolted to a 3-0 start.
    By Darron Cummings, AP


    1st down: Tag, you're it

    Edgerrin James didn't want it. The Indianapolis Colts insisted. James grumbled. The Colts shrugged.

    And three games into the schedule, the team's offseason decision to label James as its franchise player certainly is paying off — and could provide financial benefit for its star running back as well, one way or the other.

    With opponents more and more willing to drop an inordinate number of defenders into pass coverage to combat the prowess of quarterback Peyton Manning, with foes seemingly content to fall back on the ol' "you'll have to beat us with the run" adage, James is helping Indianapolis to do just that.

    In the 13-6 win against the Cleveland Browns, James rushed for 108 yards as well as his first touchdown of the season. Considering the Colts' high-powered offense has been relatively shackled by the aforementioned defensive strategy, that's good news for the men from Indy.

    The 3-0 Colts have scored just 47 points compared with the 100 they had at this time a year ago. But James has reminded fans — and perhaps himself — that Indianapolis isn't simply Peyton's place.

    With 324 yards on 77 carries, he's the league's fourth-leading rusher. Not only that, but the seventh-year man is No. 1 in coming up with first downs, 24 in all, with 19 on the ground.

    So after signing a one-year deal with the team, his value is becoming even clearer to the Colts as well as to potential suitors if an acceptable new deal doesn't materialize.

    Next week Manning will have a chance to get the offense untracked against the defensively challenged Titans in Tennessee.

    2nd down: Lousy starts? Take heart!

    Oh, to be in the NFC North now that the season is here.

    We're talking about the only division in the league without a winning team, and the only one with three losing teams — the 1-2 Chicago Bears, the 1-2 Minnesota Vikings and the 0-3 Green Bay Packers.

    The Detroit Lions didn't even play last weekend yet find themselves atop the standings at 1-1. And this is a team that has been outscored 41-23, the only division leader with a differential on the wrong side of the fence.

    So for the three teams looking up at the Lions, things indeed are looking up — however perversely.

    The only team to win Sunday was Minnesota, as the Vikings dispatched the New Orleans Saints 33-16 with relative ease.

    This after being outscored 61-21 in losses to the Cincinnati Bengals and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

    "I almost forgot how it felt to win," Vikings quarterback Daunte Culpepper said afterward, "but really, it's right back to the drawing board."

    Indeed it is, because next up for Minnesota is a trip to Atlanta, where Michael Vick and the 2-1 Falcons will greet the Vikings on Sunday.

    The other two division teams in action this weekend also face daunting assignments. The Lions visit the undefeated Buccaneers, while the Packers go to Charlotte for a Monday night encounter against a 1-2 Carolina Panthers outfit that's growling about its two close losses and still of the belief it's among the NFC's better teams.

    In other words, things will not get easier for the NFC Northies — any of them.

    But Seattle won a division title last season at 9-7, and the Browns won their division in 1985 with but an 8-8 mark. National League West, anyone?

    3rd down: Underlying, expert analysis

    Stats, schmats.

    So before we get to the recent history of 0-3 teams and whether or not they were able to right themselves enough to make the playoffs, consider the words of Bill Belichick, coach of the two-time defending Super Bowl champion New England Patriots. All together, now, one game at a time.

    "I think we should approach it like that every week regardless of whether it's snowing, raining, 90 degrees, win, lose, tie, play on the road, play at home, have a circus in town, don't have a circus in town," he told reporters last week. "I don't care what happened last week, last year, last month, what the overall record between the two teams was going back to 1947 or whenever they started playing each other, who wins at home, who wins when the wind is blowing from the north and all of that. You guys have all of those stats. Do whatever you want with them. I'll tell you what I'd do with them."

    Teams such as the Packers and the Oakland Raiders no doubt harbor similar sentiments about the fact that the most recent team to make the playoffs after a 0-3 start was Buffalo in 1998, when the Bills finished 10-6 and qualified as a wild card.

    Nevertheless, here's a nugget concerning four of the five unbeaten teams going into Monday night's game between the Kansas City Chiefs and the Denver Broncos. They're all coached by men with Super Bowl rings and who presumably know what it takes to get another one.

    Washington's Joe Gibbs has three with the Redskins, Tampa Bay's Jon Gruden has one with the Buccaneers, Kansas City's Dick Vermeil has one with the St. Louis Rams and Cincinnati's Marvin Lewis has one as the Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator.

    4th down: Young guns humbled

    On one hand, you had youthful players such as Atlanta's Vick and the Jacksonville Jaguars' Byron Leftwich overcoming injury to lead their teams to victory.

    On the other, you had second-year players such as the Pittsburgh Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger, the New York Giants' Eli Manning and Buffalo's J.P. Losman — 2004 draft picks all — failing to deliver their teams from evil.

    Roethlisberger led his team to a late TD that tied the score, but it wasn't enough to prevent New England from coming back with a last-second field goal. Manning almost single-handedly got the Giants back into the game late in the second quarter before the team he spurned, the San Diego Chargers, romped in the second half.

    Losman struggled mightily against the Falcons in the third game of his first season as starter.

    When going against an injury-depleted secondary, completing just 10 of 23 passes for 75 yards, no touchdowns, an interception and a longest throw of 17 yards isn't exactly chicken soup for the young passer's soul.

    "This is game No. 3," Losman said, "and I haven't been happy."

    At least he's playing. That brings to mind to another 2004 draft pick and begs to borrow a phrase from USA TODAY's Jon Saraceno:

    Hey, what ever happened to Philip Rivers?
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    Re: Edge's Stock going up.....

    Someone at the game last week told me that the Colts will franshise Edge next year too, and keep doing it as long as they want him.

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    • #3
      Re: Edge's Stock going up.....

      I don't understand why a 3 year deal can't be given to him? We should have enough as long as we give him alot in bonus and backend it. If he breaks after 1-2 years, then we can cut him.
      Sorry, I didn't know advertising was illegal here. Someone call the cops!

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      • #4
        Re: Edge's Stock going up.....

        Edge will definitely want a 6 to 7 year deal, and we probably can't afford it. Unless, as Btown said, there is no cap, which could happen. But we are going to need all the money we can get to keep Freeney and Wayne as it is.
        Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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        • #5
          Re: Edge's Stock going up.....

          Originally posted by Suaveness
          Edge will definitely want a 6 to 7 year deal, and we probably can't afford it. Unless, as Btown said, there is no cap, which could happen. But we are going to need all the money we can get to keep Freeney and Wayne as it is.

          I love Reggie, but I'd much rather see him walk before I'd let Edge go.
          “Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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          • #6
            Re: Edge's Stock going up.....

            Yeah I've been hearing about Wayne wanting to be 1 also. He definitely is a 1 receiver, so it isn't all too surprising. If we don't franchise him, he probably would rather go somewhere else, especially if we happen to win this year.
            Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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            • #7
              Re: Edge's Stock going up.....

              I'm kinda new to the football contracts and such. What exactly does franchising a player do? Does it not allow them to play the open market even if they are a free agent?

              Just curious. While I have followed football off and on for several years, I haven't paid any attention to the money side of it. What is the max length deal they can give in the NFL and do they have a cap or luxary tax like NBA does? Or is a CAP a hard cap that you can't go over?

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              • #8
                Re: Edge's Stock going up.....

                A franchised player can still go to another team, but if he does, the home team gets compensated with 2 first round draft picks. So unless he is damn good, those people rarely sign because the teams dont want to lose those picks.
                Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                • #9
                  Re: Edge's Stock going up.....

                  Do I also understand that if a team wants to let a player go, they can just release him? Or renegotiate his contract if they want him to stay but pay more or less?

                  If they let a player go, is he still paid under his contract?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Edge's Stock going up.....

                    Ok, I think I'm picking this up now. Wow is it different from the NBA contracts.

                    Thanks for explaining things to me Btown and Suave.

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