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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Re: What Video game did you last play?

    Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
    Thanks guys.

    Is Red Dead Redemption's online play awesome, just cool, or lackluster? I'm looking into getting that but when I played offline I thought it was generally boring. But then I looked up online videos and WOW it looked neat.

    Also, is Star Wars The Force Unleashed a good game (Force Unleashed 2 is coming out soon)? I'm a big fan of games where you are basically a beast and you can destroy anything I want. Like God Of War III.

    Last but not least, what is your opinion on COD games?
    I really got burned out on RDR single player, so I never got into multi.

    Force Unleashed is decent. There were complaints that for supposedly being a bad ***, you couldn't go ape **** crazy, but I don't know how a game would work if you could destroy everything. They've said they've improved on that front in 2, we'll see.

    Personally, I've been playing through it again in prep for 2, and it's still great fun. I love grabbing guys and throwing them into their buddies, off cliffs, or into stuff that blows up. Force lightning is pretty bad *** too. The controls can be a bit wonky, but the story more than makes up for it.

    COD is all about the multi-player. The single player is decent, but the campaigns are always really short. Multi is really top notch, but the community is so developed, it can be really hard for a newbie to get into it. Personally, I'm staying away from the new one. Once I saw that RC car I knew it'd drive me nuts to get killed by that over and over and over again.
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    • Re: What Video game did you last play?

      Originally posted by Day-V View Post
      I've heard New Vegas has a lot of technical issues and bugs. Is this true?
      So far it seems so. There are multiple game breaking experience and money glitches. They already patched it out, but you can just not update your game and get them anyway. Thankfully there is no multiplayer so the only game you'll ruin by exploiting the glitches is your own. Other things I've seen are clipping issues where enemies can walk right through rocks to get to you. It's no big deal to me. Fallout 3 and Oblivion were both full of similar bugs but this one does seem to have more.

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      • Re: What Video game did you last play?

        Has anyone played Civilization V yet?
        Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
        I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...

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        • Re: What Video game did you last play?

          Originally posted by Natston View Post
          Has anyone played Civilization V yet?
          Yeah. There's some good stuff in it, but I don't love it. They kind of went too far in the Civ Revolution direction, dumbing it down too much.

          Also, it's a major hog. I just put in an SSD and went to 64-bit Windows, and it still runs slow, and I'm running the DirectX 9 version. I've dialed down the graphics severly, but the turn processing still takes forever at higher stages, and larger maps are unusable. My CPU is a Core2 Duo, and it's consistently at 90%. I don't know if a Quad would help, or if it's just badly coded.
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          • Re: What Video game did you last play?

            I'd get it in a heartbeat if my computer had any chance of running the game...
            Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
            I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...

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            • Re: What Video game did you last play?

              Originally posted by Natston View Post
              I'd get it in a heartbeat if my computer had any chance of running the game...
              I love it, I have so many awesome games to play right now, but Civ V sucks up all my time. I'll start a scenario in the evening after dinner and then all of a sudden it's 3 AM.

              It is a resource hog, I have an above average computer with a HD5870 graphic card and once I get to the modern era it takes a long time between turns. However, there is a strategy view that you can play on low end systems. You just don't see the gorgeous graphics.

              The good things about Civ V vs Civ IV is the units do not stack, which, in my opinion, makes the combat much better.
              They did simplify alot of stuff such as diplomacy, no religion now and some other stuff, but I love it. Also play on very hard mode or higher or it's just way too easy. Better yet, play real people.

              There is a free demo on Steam so you can see if your computer can handle the strategy view.

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              • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                Originally posted by Day-V View Post
                I've heard New Vegas has a lot of technical issues and bugs. Is this true?

                Definately play the PC version if you can. They are fixing most of the bugs quickly, and of course there is going to be a plethora of player made mods available that will fix it up even more.

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                • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                  Force Unleashed 2

                  The review sites are killing this, but I don't really see what their problem is. Yes, it's very short, and the story isn't as good as the first. But after playing the first game extensively over the last couple weeks (achievement whoring), this is a vastly superior game. The gameplay is streamlined, it flows much better (I didn't encounter any bugs), the controls are more precise, though there are way too many quicktime events. And this game is absolutely gorgeous. It looks like a console upgrade over the first game.

                  As I said, it's very short, under 6 hours with no multiplayer is pretty inexcusable in this day and age. But if you enjoyed the first game at all it's definitely worth a rental.
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                  • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                    I always love the CIV games, thought about getting CIV 4 for PS3.

                    I just recently bought Medal of Honor, its okay.. about a 6.5/10. Multi-player is fun, but gets too redundant as not all game modes are available on across all maps. They are going to release an update in November with a couple new maps and a last man standing mode for team death match ( just like socom). That's when the game will really open up for me.

                    One thing i've noticed about all these new FPS games is that they give you a radar or a kill cam so you can see who got you and where they were. That is terrible. Medal of honor doesn't have kill cams but they do give you radar. If you play hardcore mode it takes the radar off on certain game modes, but leaves it on for others. Also Hardcore mode takes away crosshairs in normal view. I don't understand why these game companies do this to tried and true formulas.
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                    • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                      Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                      Force Unleashed 2

                      The review sites are killing this, but I don't really see what their problem is. Yes, it's very short, and the story isn't as good as the first. But after playing the first game extensively over the last couple weeks (achievement whoring), this is a vastly superior game. The gameplay is streamlined, it flows much better (I didn't encounter any bugs), the controls are more precise, though there are way too many quicktime events. And this game is absolutely gorgeous. It looks like a console upgrade over the first game.

                      As I said, it's very short, under 6 hours with no multiplayer is pretty inexcusable in this day and age. But if you enjoyed the first game at all it's definitely worth a rental.
                      Oh man. 6 hours is just bad. I'm glad I resisted the urge to buy that.

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                      • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                        Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post

                        Last but not least, what is your opinion on COD games?
                        Call of duty 4 is what i still think as the best online multiplayer ever created. Tho it is definitely disputable. And that is if you have plans to play online. I think even though the game has been out a few years if your gonna buy a cod game, go with that one. Or wait, the new black ops should be great. MW2 was ok, but overall was disappointing. Some do like it better than cod4 for some reason tho. Probably because its newer and the graphics are quite awesome on MW2.

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                        • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                          What are the top 5 PS3 games that have good scenery and climbing, flying, or whatever. Are their any games out that are from a complete different time period or anything? Outer space, Star Wars, RDR, I don't know.

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                          • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                            Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
                            What are the top 5 PS3 games that have good scenery and climbing, flying, or whatever.
                            Uncharted
                            http://www.ign.com/videos/2007/11/05...bjectid=812550

                            Uncharted 2
                            http://www.ign.com/videos/2009/08/18...ectid=14225971

                            Infamous
                            http://www.ign.com/videos/2009/04/29...bjectid=800208

                            Are their any games out that are from a complete different time period or anything? Outer space, Star Wars, RDR, I don't know.
                            I haven't played Killzone. It's sci-fi but I get the impression it's really just a shooter. Haven't played Resistance either (it's got that Half Life camera going that makes me nauseous), but that might be what you're looking for. Even though it's a shooter, it's an alternate history in the 40's and 50's where WWII didn't happen, aliens landed and started taking over, first in the Far East and then through to Europe and eventually the US. Story's supposed to be good.

                            As for Star Wars like, I've said before Mass Effect 2 comes out in January. Shame they're not porting the first one, but supposedly they're beefing up the intro to cover the story better.

                            http://www.ign.com/videos/2010/01/20...ectid=14235013
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                            • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                              FYI, Socom 4 comes out in January i believe. That will be the official COD killer. Zipper is back at the helm of this one so you know its going to be amazing just like all their previous Socom games. Socom 3 for PS2 was one of the best games ever, infact Socom 2 was probably almost as good.
                              You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                              • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                                Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
                                Thanks guys.

                                Is Red Dead Redemption's online play awesome, just cool, or lackluster? I'm looking into getting that but when I played offline I thought it was generally boring. But then I looked up online videos and WOW it looked neat.

                                Also, is Star Wars The Force Unleashed a good game (Force Unleashed 2 is coming out soon)? I'm a big fan of games where you are basically a beast and you can destroy anything I want. Like God Of War III.

                                Last but not least, what is your opinion on COD games?

                                I can not stand Call of Duty MW2. I bought that game thinking that it was the next big thing for quality multiplayer. What a terribly put together game.

                                1. No bullet drop, point and shoot sucks.
                                2. Kill cams - real players don't need to know to be told where the enemy killed them they figure it out on their own.
                                3. Radar - see above.
                                4. Weapons - As a player who primary likes to be a sniper, You shouldn't be able to snipe somebody cross the map with your M4A1 assault rifle or uzi. Again no bullet drop.
                                5. The maps are too small, and not all maps are available across all game modes.
                                6. The perks and kill streaks were innovative but got old quickly as there are only a handful of perks that actually used by everyone. The kill streaks where sometimes just plain unfair.

                                One good thing I loved about that game was all the hidden spots you could get to that were great for sniping, it took skill to get up on the roof tops, so if you could get up there with out getting killed then you deserved all the easy kills you could rack up.

                                I owned that game for about a month and traded it in for store credit towards Battlefield BadCompany 2. Great game, very balanced on hardcore mode. Just wish they didnt take away your cross hairs. I played Battlefield 1943 for the whole summer while I waited, best $15 I ever spent.
                                You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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