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  • #91
    Re: My Dale Davis post

    Originally posted by foretaz
    forgive me if the concept of someone telling another to grow up based on a post on the internet is a bit comical to me....let alone when that person is a 21 year old telling a 40 year old to grow up...

    as far as being off topic, there is exactly one post in the last two pages that references dale davis, which is the topic of the thread....
    You either learn to listen to our admins, or bug off. I'm sick of this. Extremely sick of this. You've ignored me one too many times. Take a couple days off.

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    • #92
      Re: My Dale Davis post

      Originally posted by foretaz
      forgive me if the concept of someone telling another to grow up based on a post on the internet is a bit comical to me....let alone when that person is a 21 year old telling a 40 year old to grow up...

      as far as being off topic, there is exactly one post in the last two pages that references dale davis, which is the topic of the thread....
      I'm guessing he meant basketball related....
      You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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      • #93
        Re: Sorry, Dale can bite my ***!!

        Originally posted by Skaut_Ech
        A lot of you are being pretty concillitory about Dale leaving.

        "Well, he IS making more money."

        "Detroit IS a contender"

        Phooey!!

        So, Dale would rather get a ring and no PT, rather than push the odds with us a bit, show some loyalty to the team that drafted him and made him what he is today and maybe sign with us for less?

        I WILL resent Dale and I WILL boo him.

        He's had his chances to get a payday. Hell, he's set for life money-wise. A million here or there won't make that big a diff to him. At this point, I think it's more about the legacy you leave, if you truly love the game and the team and not the almighty over everything else.

        And for him to go to Detroit?? DETROIT?! Sorry, I don't take such a core Pacer player going to one of our most bitter enemies lightly. That DOES make a difference to me.

        I'll tell ya another reason I'll boo Dale:

        Cause he's a follower.

        As long as Reggie was here, Dale had someone to tell him what to do. I know for a fact that Dale worshiped Reggie. When Reggie said he was retiring, I knew the writing was on the wall. Now I strongly suspect Dale is anticipating Rasheed being his new person to follow. Dale's a soldier. Dale's a warrior. But Dale's no leader and suddenly being the elder statesmen on this squad might have been more than he could stomach. It was a role he wasn't confortable taking.

        Now this is just me. I wish Dale would have taken less money, stayed with us to finish his career, as Reggie did, and take on the mantle of quiet leader, like Tank Thompson used to do.

        But I think that was too much for Dale.

        I'm disappointed not just cause he didn't stay with us, but because I think I'm learning something about Dale this late in the game. First time he left us, he left because he wanted more money, despite us just redoing his contract (Someone tells me if my memory is wrong.), now he leaves to go to a rival, cause he wants more money.

        As we've said, it's not always just about the money for some players and people in real life. I can make more money, BUT I'm happy what I'm doing and loyal to the work crew team I helped found. I don't want to diminish by leaving them just to get a bit more money.

        I don't think Dale would have been this make-or-break cog in the Pacer machine, but I think he's one of those reserve guys you need to have. I'll miss Dale and far as I'm concerned, he's now the enemy.

        Sorry, I guess I'm one of the few who has a completely sour taste in his mouth about Dale and will lustily and heartily boo his butt as much as possible. I've seen your loyalty Dale. Here, try an earful of MINE.

        Bye, Dale!! :finger:
        Since there seems to be one of the usual, let's take this thread waAay off topic, pissing matches, I figured I'd quote MYSELF and try and get this thread back on track to it's original theme. (You guys can feel free to start your own little thread decicated to whining to each other to your hearts content. Personally, I wanna hear people's thoughts on Peck's ORIGINAL post.)


        Peck's original thread is titled My Dale Davis Post.

        (Pssst, that's a hint, all.)

        So. regarding our thoughts on Dale.....
        I think I've made mine pretty clear.
        Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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        • #94
          Re: My Dale Davis post

          Originally posted by Dr. Cox
          You have to be kidding me. We lost in Game 6, and that game was close. To do that against that good of a team, DESPITE all the crap we had going against us, is impressive.
          For that team, with no meaningful playoff experience, the injuries, and the alleged migraines (which had to be troubling to everyone that had gotten onto the airplane), I'm not trying to 'slight' that performance.

          We all wanted to believe the Pacers were "in" that series, but when I look back I think Detroit was in control from Game #2 through the end of the series. We had HCA yet *we* couldn't force Game #7. Game #4, when Austin kick-started our offense, was the exception and not the rule. Maybe I'd think we had a better chance to win that series but we played so badly at home, especially in crunch time. If we had won Game #6, I don't think I would've felt good about our chances in Game #7.

          Yes, that team overcame a lot to get that far, I wasn't intending to disrespect that. But I don't look back at that series and say, "We were sooooo close".

          Anyway, that's off topic, too. Sorry.
          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
          And life itself, rushing over me
          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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          • #95
            Re: My Dale Davis post

            As for my Dale Davis thoughts (getting back on topic).

            I've always been ambivilent about DD. You get the good with the bad. In many ways, he's Bender's polar opposite. Bender has all that talent, but no clue how to play. Dale has almost no talent whatsoever, but is a warrior, and plays the right way. With each, you have to take the good with the bad.

            Will I miss Dale's toughness? Heck yes. Will I wish we had him if we need a defensive stop and a rebound. Yeah. Will I miss Dale's FT shooting, his hands, etc. No way. I look at it this way, he won't be there to get the tough rebound, which is bad, but he also won't be there to **** away a possession by fumbling the ball or bricking a FT.

            As for Dale's business sense. I'm always very matter-of-fact about Dale's ultimate agenda - which is to take care of Dale. I don't have a problem with him doing that at all. As I said a few weeks ago - where can I get more AND an opportunity to stay with a leading firm?? Sign me up!! Now, what I wouldn't like on the Pacers is a guy to wish he was making more money on a lesser team. For that matter, AD's and Al's desire to have a bigger role, even on a losing team, didn't really bother me that much. They needed to 'test' themselves to see what they could do. Each of them probably realizes now that they aren't 'stars', but they can flourish as important role players on good teams. But they had to take a chance to do so and I don't fault them for that.

            But c'mon guys, he took a pay raise and he's still playing for a contender. Sure, its a rival of ours so it stings. But really, who can blame him? I can't. I won't boo him any more or less than the other Pistons, and I won't boo him any more or less than when he was traded away a few years ago.

            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
            And life itself, rushing over me
            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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            • #96
              Re: My Dale Davis post

              Bottom line, this is a business. As much for the players as it is for the owners. As much as it pains me as a fan who is always thinking with his heart, I do not ever blame a player for making a move like Dale did.

              If the Pacers really wanted Dale back they could have had him. For less than 3.5 million I bet. Dale probably would have stayed for 2.5. The Pacers chose another road. Plain and simple. I don't blame Dale here.... or the Pacers for that matter.

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              • #97
                Re: My Dale Davis post

                Welll.... I said somewhere before I am still getting my thoughts together on this topic and it really hasn't changed much yet today. I think I know what is troubling me.... Part of it is as Skaut Ech was saying.

                Ramble mode is on:

                Let me say... I wanted Dale back. Much as I thought in 2000 Mark Jackson should be back because he offered more to the Pacers, even on the downside of his career, than he offered any other team. BUT this was a bit different scenario... I think....

                While I am very excited to get this season underway I do have an undercurrent of uneasiness about the team which may or may not be warranted (it's part of the excitement of wanting to see the season start to see how the drama will unfold). IS JO going to step up and play 'team' ball and be a face of the franchise to make us proud? CAN Artest and he co-exist and play 'team' ball. Has Artest's fuse but significantly lengthened? Is SJax really the answer at the 2 spot? Tins vs Saras vs AJ....

                I'm not trying to get off topic here. What I am doing is wondering whether any of that stuff (or more) made a negative impression on Dale last season. Did he take a look in the lockerroom and see a 'team' working toward "One Goal" or did he see prima-donnas, immature kids, hotheads, glory hounds, egomaniacs, etc?

                Maybe if we were in Dale's shoes and saw the Pacer lockerroom and practice court we would understand his decision better.

                Of course maybe that is all wrong. Maybe it was all about the money... every last cent. But then that goes back to the market value argument. A service is worth what someone is willing to pay. It doesn't matter what you WANT to pay. It doesn't matter how much you have to spend. Things cost what they cost.

                So day #2 and I am still rattling and trying to come to terms with Dale going to the Pistons (of all teams). Our #1 rival. It stings.... and it stinks.

                -Bball
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                ------

                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                • #98
                  Re: My Dale Davis post

                  Originally posted by Bball
                  I'm not trying to get off topic here. What I am doing is wondering whether any of that stuff (or more) made a negative impression on Dale last season. Did he take a look in the lockerroom and see a 'team' working toward "One Goal" or did he see prima-donnas, immature kids, hotheads, glory hounds, egomaniacs, etc?

                  Maybe if we were in Dale's shoes and saw the Pacer lockerroom and practice court we would understand his decision better.

                  Of course maybe that is all wrong. Maybe it was all about the money... every last cent. But then that goes back to the market value argument. A service is worth what someone is willing to pay. It doesn't matter what you WANT to pay. It doesn't matter how much you have to spend. Things cost what they cost.

                  So day #2 and I am still rattling and trying to come to terms with Dale going to the Pistons (of all teams). Our #1 rival. It stings.... and it stinks.

                  -Bball
                  I will always maintain that Dale didn't like suddenly having a possibly leadership role. Previously he got to hide behind Reggie, and after GS, he saw in the Pistons a team where he could latch onto another starter, Rasheed.
                  Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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                  • #99
                    Re: My Dale Davis post

                    Dale's a soldier for sure, not a general. Doesn't make him any less of a player, he's just not much of a leader. But give him instructions and a role, and he'll follow them better than almost anyone.

                    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                    Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
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                    • Re: My Dale Davis post

                      Originally posted by Skaut_Ech
                      I will always maintain that Dale didn't like suddenly having a possibly leadership role. Previously he got to hide behind Reggie, and after GS, he saw in the Pistons a team where he could latch onto another starter, Rasheed.

                      What's that say about JO's role... or Tinsley? Why did Dale think he had to lead? Or do we not want to go there?


                      -Bball
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                      ------

                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • Re: My Dale Davis post

                        Originally posted by Bball
                        What's that say about JO's role... or Tinsley? Why did Dale think he had to lead? Or do we not want to go there?


                        -Bball
                        I think Age differnce makes a evil mention here as has been sad in a couple other posts, we have what 2 people over 30 Pollard and Croshere.. and Dale is closing on 37
                        Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...

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