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    "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

    That is a quote from Dale's agent.

    I don't understand why Dale would go there, he'll get very little time, and I don't understand why the Pistons want Dale to begin with.


    http://www.detnews.com/2005/pistons/...D01-283811.htm


    Finley is free to sign, but with whom?


    By Joanne C. Gerstner / The Detroit News


    AUBURN HILLS -- Let the campaigning begin.

    Forward Michael Finley was waived by the Mavericks late Monday, dropped from their roster as an amnesty player.

    Finley had a hefty guaranteed contract, with the Mavericks owing him half of his $102.2 million deal. They decided to go for luxury-tax relief, and Finley was cut loose.

    Now the suitors -- namely the Pistons, Heat, Spurs and Suns -- are lining up and waiting for the standard 48-hour waiver period on Finley to expire.

    "There's not a whole lot to say at this point. It's something that's going to play out over the next few days," John Hammond, the Pistons' vice president of basketball operations, said Tuesday. "It's not that we're playing coy, we just have to wait."

    Finley's agent, Henry Thomas, did not return messages left at his Chicago office.

    The Heat are considered to be the Finley front-runners for a few reasons: Coach Stan Van Gundy coached Finley at Wisconsin, they can offer a starting job and Finley and Dwyane Wade share an agent.

    The Pistons, Heat and Nuggets can offer their $5 million mid-level exemptions to Finley.

    What the Pistons can't give is a starting role, but they maintain slim hope that Finley will consider the merits of playing on a championship contender.

    If he were to sign with the Pistons, he likely would be slotted in as a lead reserve, backing up small forward Tayshaun Prince.

    The Pistons are looking for a player to back up Prince, ideally one who can maintain defensive pressure as well as score. Prince played a lot of minutes last season, and it showed when he wore out during the playoffs.

    Finley, who is 6-foot-7, has a reputation as an effective slasher who also possesses three-point range. He is considered a good team player, a willing leader who doesn't make waves.

    But Finley's offensive production has dropped the last few seasons. He averaged more than 20 points from 1997 through 2002 but hasn't matched that in the past three seasons.

    Finley averaged 15.7 points and 4.1 rebounds last season, when he was hindered by problems with his right ankle. He had successful arthroscopic surgery to remove bone chips June 3.

    He is expected to be ready to play by training camp.

    Finley is still regarded as a strong talent and will be the top amnesty player.

    The Mavericks tried to trade Finley, preferably to a team from the East, but couldn't get a deal done by the amnesty deadline.

    Now he can sign with any team, which could come back to haunt the perennially playoff-frustrated Mavericks.

    He will have choices, ranging from winning teams with money (Pistons and Heat), a championship team that can't pay him as much (Spurs), an upstart contender without much money to offer (Suns) and an up-and-comer with money (Nuggets).

    The Suns are an outside player but have a few intangibles: Finley started his career in Phoenix, remains a popular player in town and is a good friend of former Mavericks point guard-turned-Suns playmaker Steve Nash.

    Taking less money to play in the right place could be a real consideration for Finley, because he will still receive the $51 million-plus owed from his Mavericks contract.

    Center Dale Davis is one player rooting for Finley not to land in Detroit. Davis' agent, Chubby Wells, said he has been in discussion with the Pistons the past few weeks.

    The Pistons also are interested in free-agent shooting guards Latrell Sprewell and Derek Anderson. The Trail Blazers waived Anderson last week, designating him as their amnesty player. He was injury-prone last season, limited to 42 games because of a herniated disc and back spasms.

    Sprewell played the last two seasons for new Pistons coach Flip Saunders in Minnesota.

    But if Finley were to sign with the Pistons, Davis and the rest likely would go elsewhere.

    "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation," Wells said, "but this is a business, he's got to go where he can get the best deal."


    You can reach Joanne C. Gerstner at joanne.gerstner@detnews.com or (313) 223-4644.
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  • #2
    Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

    Like I said in another thread, Dale going to the Pistons would be like a slap in the face.

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    • #3
      Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

      DD was interested in Detroit and vice versa before he rejoined us last season. He must miss the good ol jailblazin tymz with Rasweed
      http://Twitter.com/dRealSource

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      • #4
        Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

        I grow weary of reading Chubby's moneygrubbing quotes..........
        PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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        • #5
          Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

          Originally posted by denyfizle
          DD was interested in Detroit and vice versa before he rejoined us last season. He must miss the good ol jailblazin tymz with Rasweed

          If they had made a stronger play for Bonzi, they could've all driven along 9 mile for a toke of Gangelina Jolie while chatting up Qyntel Woods about dogfight odds on the cell. Make it happen, Joe.

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          • #6
            Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

            Screw this....let DD go.....I'm sick of this money posturing cr@p. Let him go if he doesn't want to stay here.

            Its good if he stays...but if he wants more money....and is dragging this on....then let him go.
            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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            • #7
              Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

              He's not going to Detroit. His agent is just posturing still to get more $$$.

              If Dale's getting all these great offers, why hasn't he signed with anyone yet?

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              • #8
                Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

                Maybe Detroit wants Dale just so we can't have him?

                -Bball
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                • #9
                  Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

                  actually, the fact it could be a slap in the face to the pacers could very well be some of the motivation for him going to detroit...i still have a feeling that dale and the pacers had a handshake agreement regarding this upcoming contract when he rejoined the pacers....

                  and i have a feeling the price of saras went up so high that it affected that handshake agreement....

                  so there might be a little resentment...again....

                  the pistons would want him, if for no other reason, to keep the pacers from having him....theyre also gonna need him, when the trade deadline comes and they feel compelled to trade sheed

                  that being said, the pistons most likely wont have anymore to offer dale than we do....

                  if they are able to sign spree or finley, either one will most likely command the full MLE...i dont think finley is an option....but spree certainly must be considered a strong possibility....

                  if they use all their MLE on spree, or even as much as saras has gotten, then they are in the exact same boat as we are with regard to how much they can pay him....

                  that being said....dales options are running out everywhere....other guys are signing and teams are using their MLE's and dale isnt getting any of it....

                  so this could be posturing as much as anything....maybe even a way to try and light a fire under the pacers to do something....maybe the pacers dont want to offer the remaining MLE for the 4 years...maybe they only want to give it to him for 2 or 3 years....or maybe the pacers dont wanna use the LLE on dale...they might prefer the remainder of the MLE and allow them to have the LLE next year....they are only allowed to use the LLE every other year...so if they use it this year they wouldnt have it available next year....

                  it should be interesting....but dale doesnt have near the options or the money available that he did a couple weeks ago....

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                  • #10
                    Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

                    Why is Dale talking about going to Detroit? Actually, he's doing it for the good of the board. Every few days we need something new to obsess about. I guess today it's Dale and where he's going to go.

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                    • #11
                      Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

                      Its all a little game.

                      I bet he ends up staying here with a deal like Reggie's, play 2 more years & we'll pay ya for 3.

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                      • #12
                        Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

                        I still fully expect Dale to end up with the Pacers. JJ is gone though

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                        • #13
                          Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck
                          I still fully expect Dale to end up with the Pacers. JJ is gone though
                          I, too, am starting to think Dale will re-sign here. And I agree that JJ is gone, as well. Unless there's a trade pending...

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                          • #14
                            Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck
                            I still fully expect Dale to end up with the Pacers. JJ is gone though
                            You've got it flipped. JJ stays. DD is gone.

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                            • #15
                              Re: "Dale likes Detroit a lot and the situation

                              I think we resign both, but we end up trading JJ for a project big man that can hopefully develop to replace dale.

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