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Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

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  • #16
    Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

    I voted Miami, but after a quick rethink would like to change my vote to 'Other' and say the Indiana Pacers
    Mickael Pietrus Le site officiel

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    • #17
      Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

      Miami until proven that they can't work together

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      • #18
        Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

        Originally posted by rcarey
        I think that the Hawks are our biggest obstacle because they are hawks, and hawks can soar into the air and do cool tricks and that will scare the rest of the East, and they have red uniforms which is proven to be a winning colour, and the hawk is a fierce predator and will intimidate all the other teams and they will own everyone - and they can peck people and we all know peck is the MVP.

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        • #19
          Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

          Chicago Bulls
          They are going to be good.

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          • #20
            Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

            Originally posted by foretaz
            sorry...but i disagree that detroit is our new england....

            weve beaten them repeatedly during the regular season....

            theyve only succeeded in the playoffs after key injuries/suspensions....

            i dont see any similarity between them and new england....

            detroit has been nothing but lucky the last two postseasons....

            id hardly call new englands success lucky when it comes to their dominance over the colts....

            detroit has been anything but dominating when it comes to the pacers...

            whens the last time the colts won in new england??

            the pacers have won in detroit continuously...

            detroit will be merely a bump in the road this coming season....

            miami will be the biggest test....
            We're 3-1 against Detroit at the Palace for the 03-04 and 04-05 regular season games played there.

            We won 1 and lost 2 there in the 04 playoffs . We also won 1 and lost 2 there in the 2005 playoffs.

            So we've won 5 games at the Palace, and lost 5 from 03-04 to 04-05, counting playoffs.

            We're 2-2 against Detroit at the Fieldhouse in 03-04 and 04-05(both of our wins came in 03-04, and both of theirs came last year).

            In the 04 playoffs, they took 1/3 here, and in the 05 playoffs, they took 1/3 here.

            Same case as in Detroit. At home, we've won 4 against them and lost 6 over the past 2 years, counting playoffs.

            So I guess they've owned us at home lately. They've won 6 out of 10 here, that's a majority.

            But hey, I know to you that the precious November 19 game proved the Pacers were a better team than Detroit right? November is the most meaningless month in the NBA. You don't prove anything in November. We've shown that we can beat them in Detroit in the regular season, that doesn't mean we can beat them 4 out of 7 times. It's embarassing that they won 2 out of 3 on our homecourt in the 2004 playoffs

            It's all about the playoffs. Detroit has eliminated us from the playoffs for 2 straight years(just like NE has the Colts). They ARE our New England. The Pacers and Colts may have a better looking team on paper than the Pistons and Pats, but the Pistons and Pats get the job done.

            I get so sick of hearing the injuries excuse. Injuries are a part of the game. Part of being a great team is being durable. Its not Detroit fault that JO was injured again. It's not Detroit's fault that Tinsley was gimpy again. Why will I not be suprised if fans are singing the same sad tune of "if only JO and Tinsley had been healthy" next season?

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            • #21
              Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

              Do you have to be a pessimist. The Colts were healthy and the Patriots weren't and won. The pacers were the ones injured and suspended. Totally different situation.

              Not to mention, that the November 19th game proved one thing. The Pistons defense can not stop Artest and O'neal, if we have credible guard offfensive ability. THey tried they tried hard. And Failed.

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              • #22
                Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

                Originally posted by PacerFanAdam
                We're 3-1 against Detroit at the Palace for the 03-04 and 04-05 regular season games played there.

                We won 1 and lost 2 there in the 04 playoffs . We also won 1 and lost 2 there in the 2005 playoffs.

                So we've won 5 games at the Palace, and lost 5 from 03-04 to 04-05, counting playoffs.

                We're 2-2 against Detroit at the Fieldhouse in 03-04 and 04-05(both of our wins came in 03-04, and both of theirs came last year).

                In the 04 playoffs, they took 1/3 here, and in the 05 playoffs, they took 1/3 here.

                Same case as in Detroit. At home, we've won 4 against them and lost 6 over the past 2 years, counting playoffs.

                So I guess they've owned us at home lately. They've won 6 out of 10 here, that's a majority.

                But hey, I know to you that the precious November 19 game proved the Pacers were a better team than Detroit right? November is the most meaningless month in the NBA. You don't prove anything in November. We've shown that we can beat them in Detroit in the regular season, that doesn't mean we can beat them 4 out of 7 times. It's embarassing that they won 2 out of 3 on our homecourt in the 2004 playoffs

                It's all about the playoffs. Detroit has eliminated us from the playoffs for 2 straight years(just like NE has the Colts). They ARE our New England. The Pacers and Colts may have a better looking team on paper than the Pistons and Pats, but the Pistons and Pats get the job done.

                I get so sick of hearing the injuries excuse. Injuries are a part of the game. Part of being a great team is being durable. Its not Detroit fault that JO was injured again. It's not Detroit's fault that Tinsley was gimpy again. Why will I not be suprised if fans are singing the same sad tune of "if only JO and Tinsley had been healthy" next season?
                dude.....seriously....get a grip....its becoming painfully obvious uve got ur eyes set on the most argumentative poster award....

                who said anything about it being detroits fault?????

                and ur getting sick of injuries getting used as an excuse????

                well let me tell u what im getting sick of....

                ur defending detroit because u wanna win some silly message board award....if ur a fan of this team, how bout acting like it a bit more often.....frankly, i can tell very little difference between u and kstat.....u rarely have anything good to say about ur supposed beloved team....and that, my friend, is a bit disturbing....

                ill tell u what else im sick of....this garbage about games being meaningless....whether it be in november or april....its bs....flat out bs....if there has ever been a so-called excuse for losing, that takes the cake....if u watched the november game and the pregame, u know it was meaningless to noone....it only became meaningless to detroit after they lost...and funny that a game that had so much bearing on determining the outcome of the nba season is meaningless...

                the regular season is anything but meaningless...if for no other reason it determines home court....and if u dont think that home court plays a role in the playoffs, then ur sadly mistaken....wonder how many detroit fans think they wouldve lost if they had home court in the finals???? wonder how many pacer fans felt like we might have won the 2000 finals if we had home court ????...home court matters....the regular season matters....

                and injuries matter....theyre not an excuse....theyre a fact...its no different than having a less talented team....because thats what u become when u are injured or suspended....less talented....

                two seasons ago the the pistons and the pacers split the series for the year....5 games to 5....and yes, the main reason they split was because two of the pacers starters went down late in the playoffs....or the outcome is most likely different....u dont think if detroit lost two of their starters, the outcome wouldve been different???? if not, u or anyone else that believes such mumbo jumbo is, well,....u figure it out....and please dont give me some mumbo jumbe durability bs.....its luck...period...if u come down on someones foot and twist ur ankle, it has nothing to do with durability.....if someone hits ur knee causing it to go 180 degrees the wrong way, it has nothing to do with ur durability....if ur jermaine oneal and u knee shaq in the thigh, it has nothing to do with durability...seriously, get a clue....

                this past season the two teams split the season series and detroit won 4-2 in the playoffs....against what????? an injury/suspension decimated team....well hallefriggenlujah....do me a favor and please check the rosters for the two games that the pistons won in conseco....thank u....no more need be said....its no different than if some of these players were traded for future draft choices....if u dont have them on ur roster, ur not as good...period...is it the pistons fault??? hardly....does it make the pistons a better team??? hardly...

                lemme tell u what else im sick of.....people not seeing the obvious....detroit has done nothing to prove theyre so great, unlike new england....detroit hasnt dominated in the regular season, unlike new england....detroit hasnt played against top notch talent in the playoffs and still beat them....

                detroit has played above average during the regular season, with above average talent.....they have then coasted thru playoff series after playoff series because the other team was missing key players...in 2004, the nets, the pacers, and the lakers....in 2005, the pacers and the heat....when they finally played a team at full strength, what happened?????? they lost....

                detroit was a top 10 team in this league that had one of the very best coaches in the league....and then was the beneficiary of some timely injuries to key players of the opposition....is that their fault??? no...not at all....does that make them opportunistic as hell??? absolutely, and u would expect nothing less from such a great coached team....does that make them great??? not even close.....

                larry will have a reason for losing this coming year.....lack of talent....and one of the main reasons larry left, like it or not, is because he knew the pistons luck had run out.....

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                • #23
                  Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

                  Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

                    Miami. They are going to snag the top stop in the conference and won't have the injury meltdown they had in the playoffs last year. How many teams can get to a game 7 in a Conference Championship with their best TWO players injured. And STILL almost win.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

                      I voted "other" because I feel like the team that threatens the Pacers the most is none other than....the Pacers. If this team is able to stay healthy, stay together, and play hard every game, with no distractions, then I don't see a team in the league that can beat us. We are the team to beat, but I say that with an *

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                      • #26
                        Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

                        Why the hell is Atlanta on there... Detroit is the ECF Champs until anyone beat them and prove to be better in the playoffs.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

                          Originally posted by foretaz
                          dude.....seriously....get a grip....its becoming painfully obvious uve got ur eyes set on the most argumentative poster award....

                          who said anything about it being detroits fault?????

                          and ur getting sick of injuries getting used as an excuse????

                          well let me tell u what im getting sick of....

                          ur defending detroit because u wanna win some silly message board award....if ur a fan of this team, how bout acting like it a bit more often.....frankly, i can tell very little difference between u and kstat.....u rarely have anything good to say about ur supposed beloved team....and that, my friend, is a bit disturbing....

                          ill tell u what else im sick of....this garbage about games being meaningless....whether it be in november or april....its bs....flat out bs....if there has ever been a so-called excuse for losing, that takes the cake....if u watched the november game and the pregame, u know it was meaningless to noone....it only became meaningless to detroit after they lost...and funny that a game that had so much bearing on determining the outcome of the nba season is meaningless...

                          the regular season is anything but meaningless...if for no other reason it determines home court....and if u dont think that home court plays a role in the playoffs, then ur sadly mistaken....wonder how many detroit fans think they wouldve lost if they had home court in the finals???? wonder how many pacer fans felt like we might have won the 2000 finals if we had home court ????...home court matters....the regular season matters....

                          and injuries matter....theyre not an excuse....theyre a fact...its no different than having a less talented team....because thats what u become when u are injured or suspended....less talented....

                          two seasons ago the the pistons and the pacers split the series for the year....5 games to 5....and yes, the main reason they split was because two of the pacers starters went down late in the playoffs....or the outcome is most likely different....u dont think if detroit lost two of their starters, the outcome wouldve been different???? if not, u or anyone else that believes such mumbo jumbo is, well,....u figure it out....and please dont give me some mumbo jumbe durability bs.....its luck...period...if u come down on someones foot and twist ur ankle, it has nothing to do with durability.....if someone hits ur knee causing it to go 180 degrees the wrong way, it has nothing to do with ur durability....if ur jermaine oneal and u knee shaq in the thigh, it has nothing to do with durability...seriously, get a clue....

                          this past season the two teams split the season series and detroit won 4-2 in the playoffs....against what????? an injury/suspension decimated team....well hallefriggenlujah....do me a favor and please check the rosters for the two games that the pistons won in conseco....thank u....no more need be said....its no different than if some of these players were traded for future draft choices....if u dont have them on ur roster, ur not as good...period...is it the pistons fault??? hardly....does it make the pistons a better team??? hardly...

                          lemme tell u what else im sick of.....people not seeing the obvious....detroit has done nothing to prove theyre so great, unlike new england....detroit hasnt dominated in the regular season, unlike new england....detroit hasnt played against top notch talent in the playoffs and still beat them....

                          detroit has played above average during the regular season, with above average talent.....they have then coasted thru playoff series after playoff series because the other team was missing key players...in 2004, the nets, the pacers, and the lakers....in 2005, the pacers and the heat....when they finally played a team at full strength, what happened?????? they lost....

                          detroit was a top 10 team in this league that had one of the very best coaches in the league....and then was the beneficiary of some timely injuries to key players of the opposition....is that their fault??? no...not at all....does that make them opportunistic as hell??? absolutely, and u would expect nothing less from such a great coached team....does that make them great??? not even close.....

                          larry will have a reason for losing this coming year.....lack of talent....and one of the main reasons larry left, like it or not, is because he knew the pistons luck had run out.....


                          I haven't even thought about the argumentive award. I could really care less, but thanks for bringing it to my attention.

                          You said that "Detroit hasn't played against a top notch talent in the playoffs and still beat them"....That's funny, I could have sworn that the 2004 Lakers were one of the most hyped teams ever. Best big man in the game, arguably the best guard in the game. A HOF PF and PG. They overcame a 3-2 deficit against the Nets, who had been to the finals the past 2 years. Yes, Karl was injured, but Karl was also 40 years old. It would have taken a super Karl Malone to win that series. Keep in mind, Karl scored 30 points in a playoff game against the Rockets in 04. They shut Kobe down.

                          The Heat could have beat the Pistons. It was their series to win. They had that game. All Shaq had to do was go off in game 7, and they win the series.

                          You're missing my point about the regular season. Yes it's important to win as many games as you can, my point was that you don't *prove* you're better than anyone by beating them in November.

                          Homecourt is nice to have, but the best team wins. The 1995 Houston Rockets didn't have homecourt in ANY of their series. They beat the Jazz, Suns, Spurs, and Magic without homecourt.

                          I don't know if many Pistons fans think they would have won with homecourt. The most important game in that series was game 5, in which the PIstons narrowly lost. Homecourt didn't seem to make a difference.

                          You can't prove the Pacers would have won in 2004 with a healthy team, you can't prove they would have won last year. At the end of the day, it's the Pistons that went to the finals both years.

                          The Pistons have a mental edge over the Pacers. We both know it. Rasheed Wallace owns Jermaine O'Neal mentally. It's just like the Colts and the Pats. The Pats have the mental edge on them.

                          I don't like the Pistons one bit. I want the Pacers to win a title more than anything. But the Pistons have won the conference title the past 2 years. Luck is part of winning a title. The Pistons beat who was on the court.

                          Let's say that whenever the Pacers win a title, and they beat a team that has some injuries......I don't think we'll feel sorry at all. We'll beat who's on the court.

                          I was referring more to the durability of Tinsley more than I was JO. Tinsley missed what, 40 games last year? His durability has to be questioned.

                          You made a point about Shaq. Shaq is 33. He'll take longer to recover from an injury than a more durable young player.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

                            Originally posted by PacerFanAdam
                            I haven't even thought about the argumentive award. I could really care less, but thanks for bringing it to my attention.

                            You said that "Detroit hasn't played against a top notch talent in the playoffs and still beat them"....That's funny, I could have sworn that the 2004 Lakers were one of the most hyped teams ever. Best big man in the game, arguably the best guard in the game. A HOF PF and PG. They overcame a 3-2 deficit against the Nets, who had been to the finals the past 2 years. Yes, Karl was injured, but Karl was also 40 years old. It would have taken a super Karl Malone to win that series. Keep in mind, Karl scored 30 points in a playoff game against the Rockets in 04. They shut Kobe down.

                            The Heat could have beat the Pistons. It was their series to win. They had that game. All Shaq had to do was go off in game 7, and they win the series.

                            You're missing my point about the regular season. Yes it's important to win as many games as you can, my point was that you don't *prove* you're better than anyone by beating them in November.

                            Homecourt is nice to have, but the best team wins. The 1995 Houston Rockets didn't have homecourt in ANY of their series. They beat the Jazz, Suns, Spurs, and Magic without homecourt.

                            I don't know if many Pistons fans think they would have won with homecourt. The most important game in that series was game 5, in which the PIstons narrowly lost. Homecourt didn't seem to make a difference.

                            You can't prove the Pacers would have won in 2004 with a healthy team, you can't prove they would have won last year. At the end of the day, it's the Pistons that went to the finals both years.

                            The Pistons have a mental edge over the Pacers. We both know it. Rasheed Wallace owns Jermaine O'Neal mentally. It's just like the Colts and the Pats. The Pats have the mental edge on them.

                            I don't like the Pistons one bit. I want the Pacers to win a title more than anything. But the Pistons have won the conference title the past 2 years. Luck is part of winning a title. The Pistons beat who was on the court.

                            Let's say that whenever the Pacers win a title, and they beat a team that has some injuries......I don't think we'll feel sorry at all. We'll beat who's on the court.

                            I was referring more to the durability of Tinsley more than I was JO. Tinsley missed what, 40 games last year? His durability has to be questioned.

                            You made a point about Shaq. Shaq is 33. He'll take longer to recover from an injury than a more durable young player.
                            the pistons beat who was on the court....thats more like it....and as ive said....who was on the court was lacking considerably over the last 2 playoff runs...does it take away from their accomplishments???? NOPE...

                            but thats not what this is about....this is about assessing and what it means on a go forward basis....

                            the patriots have flat out owned the colts....no two ways about it....there is no doubt they have a mental edge....one that looks like might be overcome due to a dropoff in talent this year, but time will tell...

                            and no....i totally disagree the pistons have the same edge over the pacers....its not even close....in fact, i believe the opposite....the pacers had a mental edge over the pistons before sheed got there....since that time, the vast majority of games the pistons have won have been for one reason....the pacers have been decimated by injuries or suspensions....so no...i dont believe the pistons have an edge....more importantly i dont believe the pacers players feel that way....i think they feel the same way i do....that the pistons have been luckier than hell with injuries and suspensions....and that given an even playing field the outcome is not even in question....the pacers win comfortably....

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                            • #29
                              Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

                              Originally posted by foretaz
                              the pistons beat who was on the court....thats more like it....and as ive said....who was on the court was lacking considerably over the last 2 playoff runs...does it take away from their accomplishments???? NOPE...

                              but thats not what this is about....this is about assessing and what it means on a go forward basis....

                              the patriots have flat out owned the colts....no two ways about it....there is no doubt they have a mental edge....one that looks like might be overcome due to a dropoff in talent this year, but time will tell...

                              and no....i totally disagree the pistons have the same edge over the pacers....its not even close....in fact, i believe the opposite....the pacers had a mental edge over the pistons before sheed got there....since that time, the vast majority of games the pistons have won have been for one reason....the pacers have been decimated by injuries or suspensions....so no...i dont believe the pistons have an edge....more importantly i dont believe the pacers players feel that way....i think they feel the same way i do....that the pistons have been luckier than hell with injuries and suspensions....and that given an even playing field the outcome is not even in question....the pacers win comfortably....
                              I agree that the Pacers were a better team in 03-04 before Sheed came. I think we would have beat them in a series, but there is obviously no way for me to prove that. Before the Sheed trade, it was the Nets who I was worried about. Kmart always did a good job on JO.

                              But Sheed obviously changed everything. He has a mental edge over JO, that's obvious. He suckers JO into playing 1 on 1 against him, and it kills us. JO has it in his head that he has to outdo his former mentor in the stat column. JO has to get into his head that we don't need a ton of points from him. We have scorers.

                              Yes, luck is part of a title. I don't think anyone disputes that. I only hope one day that the Pacers have some "luck" come their way. I won't feel sorry for anyone. All teams eventually have luck go against them and for them.

                              Despite their misfortune, Miami could have won that game. They have no one to blame but themselves for losing that game.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Which East team do you consider the Pacers' biggest threat?

                                Originally posted by foretaz
                                dude.....seriously....get a grip....its becoming painfully obvious uve got ur eyes set on the most argumentative poster award....

                                .....

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