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    Could Harrison Compare to Miller?


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    Q. Pacers faithful have really missed Brad Miller's passing, shooting, and toughness. However, fans following the team closely are psyched about David Harrison. It's obvious from summer league he has lost fat and since he says he hasn't dropped weight, he must have replaced it with muscle. Harrison has already shown a nice mid-range shot and very promising post play. How do you and the coaches feel his conditioning is coming, and how soon might Harrison be ready to contribute like Brad Miller would have? Do you think Harrison will be able to become as good a shooter, passer, and compliment to J.O. as Miller? (From Jeff in Goshen, Ind.)



    A. Please note: any and all comparisons hereafter made between Harrison and Miller are based on the former's potential and the role he projects to fill with the Pacers within the next few seasons, not the here and now. Miller is a two-time All-Star; Harrison is a second-year player.

    That said, ultimately, Harrison will be a very, very different kind of player than Miller. He's much more of a pure power post player, a guy who has the girth and strength to be a true offensive force around the basket. Unlike Miller, he doesn't appear to be a guy who will be comfortable on the baseline or in high-post sets. He had 52 assists in 88 games in college and 13 in 43 games last season, so passing isn't one of his strengths.

    One area where Harrison already is better is shot-blocking. He has surprising athleticism and excellent anticipation and should only improve with time. There are, however, three areas that will require significant improvement before it will be justifiable to draw comparisons between the two: foul trouble, rebounding and free-throw shooting.

    Once Harrison learns to move his feet more than his hands, defensively, he should begin to reduce the foul problems that plagued him last season. Though an effective offensive rebounder, Harrison should be a much, much bigger force on the defensive board. Austin Croshere averaged 7.1 defensive rebounds per 48 minutes last season; Harrison averaged just 5.5 Ė the same as Stephen Jackson. At the line, after posting a .553 career mark in college, he shot .571 as an NBA rookie.

    There's no physical or mechanical reason Harrison can't show substantial improvement in each of those areas. If he does, then there's every chance that, in a few years, he will become a standard for comparison.
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    This thread wont kill people........

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    I don't think the players are comparable at all.

    The thing that most surprised me last season was how good a shot blocker DH is

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    David will be better than that Brad guy.
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    David will be better than that Brad guy.
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    David will be better than that Brad guy.
    I really hope this was a joke because I laughed

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    I really hope this was a joke because I laughed
    Yeah, I was joking. I would never knock David like that.
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    Yeah, I was joking. I would never knock David like that.
    I see...

    Only problem is David can't go 20 mins without fouling out and his offensive skills are a bit, shall I say raw? Other than that, I concur.

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    I see...

    Only problem is David can't go 20 mins without fouling out and his offensive skills are a bit, shall I say raw? Other than that, I concur.

    At least David has a post game.... oops!

    Brad simply isn't strong enough to play in the post like David. I mean, Brad can't even stop the field goal posts from moving, he must not be that strong.
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    Really in all seriousness, I could see David being better if he commits himself to keeping in shape and really works hard. The man was gifted with his body type, now its just time to polish his skills.

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    david is a potential rarity.....a true center....instead of a power forward playing center, which is the case with most of the centers in the league, including brad miller...

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    If you want to compare Harrison to Miller you should compare him to the Miller that played for the Hornets.

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    Clearly, they are different. But really, their first year numbers were not so radically different. Harrison played more minutes per game, but Brad played more games. They both scored about 6 points per game and pulled down 3 rebounds. Brad was a much better free throw shooter and Harrison was a much better blocker. The deal with Brad was that every year was a step up from the year before. He just kept improving and improving. That will tell the tale. Harrison is not good enough to be the starter on a contending team. Especially a team in the same conference as Shaq and Wallace. It was Brad's fourth year in the league, the year he joined the Pacers, that he really emerged as a top notch talent. I expect things to be no faster with Harrison.

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    I see...

    Only problem is David can't go 20 mins without fouling out and his offensive skills are a bit, shall I say raw? Other than that, I concur.
    I only saw a few games in person, but I sure didn't see what you're seeing. His offensive skills aren't raw at all. Quite the contrary. I've seen Brad in the post and Hulk in the post, and there's no question in my mind that Harrison's got the better offensive game. He's not the passer Brad is, but he's got the post offense Brad's never going to have.

    The fouling rate doesn't worry me at all. He'll get it. Foster had the exact same problem when he entered the league, and he's become an excellent defender. There's no reason Harrison can't. In fact, he can be a better defender for this team, because he can guard the heavy banging centers, which Foster's not great for.

    And I love Foster. He's going to be the best backup center in the league once Harrison comes into her own.
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    It doesn't bother me at all. I hope he does fill the void Brad left. I think they're different types of centers, but David could be equally good in his own way if he works at it, and I hope he does. I like the Hulk.

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    And I love Foster. He's going to be the best backup center in the league once Harrison comes into her own.

    Oh, now it is ON!

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    I only saw a few games in person, but I sure didn't see what you're seeing. His offensive skills aren't raw at all. Quite the contrary. I've seen Brad in the post and Hulk in the post, and there's no question in my mind that Harrison's got the better offensive game. He's not the passer Brad is, but he's got the post offense Brad's never going to have.
    I really don't think David has any post moves yet and he certainly doesn't have much shooting range. In the games David put up points, Jamaal Tinsley had A LOT to do with that using his penetration and David being wide open for several dunks. To me, dunking doesn't equate to a good offensive game. I think he can and will be a solid offensive player but I guess I'm just not seeing it yet like you, which is okay.

    The fouling thing isn't a big deal like you said, its probably just a rookie thing more than anything.

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    I really don't think David has any post moves yet and he certainly doesn't have much shooting range. In the games David put up points, Jamaal Tinsley had A LOT to do with that using his penetration and David being wide open for several dunks.
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    Well maybe I'm a little off I admit, but I'd like to know what David Harrison you guys are watching. You guys make it sound like the Pacers should just throw the ball into David everytime on offense and just let him go to work because he's so polished offensively and he has move after move to throw at people. In college he wasn't even a very good offensive player, probably why as a 7 footer with good bulk he went so late in the draft.

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    You guys think David should start this year or let Foster or Dale if he comes back?

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    David has a LONG way to go before he is on Brad's level.

    Let's not get caught up in the hype of how good a player can be. That's slapped us in the face before.

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    Well maybe I'm a little off I admit, but I'd like to know what David Harrison you guys are watching. You guys make it sound like the Pacers should just throw the ball into David everytime on offense and just let him go to work because he's so polished offensively and he has move after move to throw at people. In college he wasn't even a very good offensive player, probably why as a 7 footer with good bulk he went so late in the draft.
    No one makes him sound like that, but you must admit, when he gets position in the paint, he is hard to stop. He also has a few nice shots from 10 feet in, and there aren't many centers who can consistently keep him from getting deep position.


    He was an excellent scorer in college. His last season, he averaged 17 a game on 63 percent shooting!
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    No one makes him sound like that, but you must admit, when he gets position in the paint, he is hard to stop. He also has a few nice shots from 10 feet in, and there aren't many centers who can consistently keep him from getting deep position.


    He was an excellent scorer in college. His last season, he averaged 17 a game on 63 percent shooting!
    Yep, I admit when he gets in position he is very hard to stop.

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