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  • #31
    Re: Saras

    Originally posted by SoupIsGood


    I like vegetables, but I don't really like your sister.



    Here baby, , have some nock-you-on-your-***-for-a-week-germs.

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    • #32
      Re: Saras

      Originally posted by Kegboy
      Now, all you'll get is some people saying they don't like vegetables, and my sister, if she posts from her sick bed.
      The pain. The pain! I'll try to raise my hand. Maybe just a finger...

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      • #33
        Re: Saras

        I think Saras will have some success here but nothing spectacular. In my opinion, the difference for Saras is that on his European and National teams he was da man. He had the green signal in the Euro league and in the Olympics. Here he will have to defer a lot. That will be his problem.

        I am of the opinion that part of Reggie's defering and tentative game in his later years was not only because of skills but also because of his personality. Saras has lot of similarities to Reggie - not very athletic, not a good defender, a flair for the clutch, good for team chemistry, etc, etc.

        I think, on this team, Saras will be like the deferring Reggie and that is the reason he won't have as much success as he had.


        Far be it from me putting myself in this conversation but my personal experience has been that I play my best when my teammates look for me to do something. When my team has one or two better players than me I tend to get tentative and start deferring and not playing my natural game. This is a personality think.
        ANDY: I guess it comes down to a simple choice, really. Get busy winning or get busy losing.

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        • #34
          Re: Saras

          Originally posted by grace
          Here baby, , have some nock-you-on-your-***-for-a-week-germs.


          What have you got? Mono? I know someone that has got that, she is miserable.
          You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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          • #35
            Re: Saras

            My expectation level is a bit better then AJ offensively, but I'm dreaming that we have the next Steve Nash. Basically bottom line, I think I will be happy because on Larry Birds judgement...I don't think he would bother bringing in a guy that is not at least better then AJ. So, if he is average at best...it lets us send at very least Eddie Gill down the road.

            Now, I am willing to believe if this dude is the second comming of Jesus Christ at the point nearing the All-Star break....Tinsley will be playing somewhere in the Western Conf. JMHO...of course
            ...Still "flying casual"
            @roaminggnome74

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            • #36
              Re: Saras

              Originally posted by Roaming Gnome
              ....I am willing to believe if this dude is the second comming of Jesus Christ at the point nearing the All-Star break....
              Now this is what I call "hyping a guy"...

              Now I'm a Maccabi fan in Israel. I've also been a fan of my beloved Knicks for the past 20 years ( ). I watch NBA games regularly, though they are in the middle of the night in Israel. I know the Euro game, I know the NBA game, and I can give a pretty good prediction:

              First of all, Sharas was not "da man" in Maccabi. Anthony Parker was (and still is). In games where Sharas was the leading scorer, Maccabi were closer to losing. In 3 of 4 Maccabi losses in the Euroleague Sharas was the leading scorer. He is not going to be "da man" in the NBA either. His best strength is making the others around him better. What makes him such a great catch is that he does this in dazzling style (passing) and emotion (leadership). He's also a fantastic clutch player, and possesses what is known as "killer instinct" at a level of the greatest who ever played. Really! No BS!

              The NBA game in regular season is far LESS intense than the Euro game. There are only about 20 "regular season" Euroleague games before the Final Four. This means that every single game is super-important, thus the high level of intensity. It's like playoffs all year, every year.

              So definitely Sharas will be crucial to the Pacers come playoff time. If he brings his normal intensity to regular season games (which I am sure he will), and will be able to adjust to 3 games a week without getting injured (pretty much sure he will) - then he has adjusted. You must remember - he knows the game and mentality (played 4 years college ball at Maryland), he knows the language (I heard him speak English - he's practically a native), and he's experienced (the guy is 29!), the major "adjustment" problems are behind him.

              The bottom line:
              By Christmas Tinsley will wish he were injured so he'd have a justified cause for why he isnt playing (let alone starting...)
              And the Pacers are a much better team than last year! Guaranteed!

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              • #37
                Re: Saras

                Originally posted by NPFII
                Now this is what I call "hyping a guy"...

                Now I'm a Maccabi fan in Israel. I've also been a fan of my beloved Knicks for the past 20 years ( ). I watch NBA games regularly, though they are in the middle of the night in Israel. I know the Euro game, I know the NBA game, and I can give a pretty good prediction:

                First of all, Sharas was not "da man" in Maccabi. Anthony Parker was (and still is). In games where Sharas was the leading scorer, Maccabi were closer to losing. In 3 of 4 Maccabi losses in the Euroleague Sharas was the leading scorer. He is not going to be "da man" in the NBA either. His best strength is making the others around him better. What makes him such a great catch is that he does this in dazzling style (passing) and emotion (leadership). He's also a fantastic clutch player, and possesses what is known as "killer instinct" at a level of the greatest who ever played. Really! No BS!

                The NBA game in regular season is far LESS intense than the Euro game. There are only about 20 "regular season" Euroleague games before the Final Four. This means that every single game is super-important, thus the high level of intensity. It's like playoffs all year, every year.

                So definitely Sharas will be crucial to the Pacers come playoff time. If he brings his normal intensity to regular season games (which I am sure he will), and will be able to adjust to 3 games a week without getting injured (pretty much sure he will) - then he has adjusted. You must remember - he knows the game and mentality (played 4 years college ball at Maryland), he knows the language (I heard him speak English - he's practically a native), and he's experienced (the guy is 29!), the major "adjustment" problems are behind him.

                The bottom line:
                By Christmas Tinsley will wish he were injured so he'd have a justified cause for why he isnt playing (let alone starting...)
                And the Pacers are a much better team than last year! Guaranteed!
                Alright, you have a certain idea of how good he will be by Christmas or so next year. Who would you compare that to that currently plays in the NBA? Who does he play most like?
                You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                • #38
                  Re: Saras

                  Originally posted by SoupIsGood
                  Alright, you have a certain idea of how good he will be by Christmas or so next year. Who would you compare that to that currently plays in the NBA? Who does he play most like?
                  Well, that's a tough one...
                  I'd like to say he has the court vision of Nash-Kidd caliber, leadership and enthusiasm of Ginobili, shot selection and accuracy of Chauncey Billups (94% from the line last year, 100% [!!!] in 4th quarters). He's got a Bird-like killer instinct, which is what Larry saw in him, I guess.

                  However, I'd say that the combination of them all is unique and quite refreshing! This guy made watching games a great deal more fun and entertaining!

                  On the defensive side, though, I'd say he's a liability (maybe like Nash again).
                  Maccabi had to invent a whole concept of D to suit the problems that were caused by Sharas' defense. It turned out, BTW, that the defensive concept (copyright of David Blatt - a name to remember) was adecisive factor in the 2 back2back titles. I would advise Rick Carlisle to have a talk with David Blatt... hell, snatch him away from Benetton Treviso and bring him in as an assistant coach!
                  In the end, I think that with guys like Artest, JO, Foster, Dale Davis, and even Stephen Jackson, all coordinated by Carlisle, who is known form his defensive mind - they'll be all right.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Saras

                    Anyone have an idea about how far the 3pt line in the EuroLeagues compared to the NBA 3pt line?

                    Are we talking a significant difference ( like the NBA 3pt line is compared to the College 3pt line )?

                    Is Sarunas a decent 3pt threat?

                    or

                    Is he another guard that can shoot the 3pt shot decently ( cuz we have SJax, AJ, Tinsley, Artest and even JONeal...if he is lucky that can shoot the 3pt ball )?
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Saras

                      Originally posted by CableKC
                      Are we talking a significant difference ( like the NBA 3pt line is compared to the College 3pt line )?
                      FIFA's line is basically the college line, though I'm sure somebody will come in with measurements.

                      But, even in my new role as Cabbage-hater, I don't believe range will be a concern.
                      Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                      • #41
                        Re: Saras

                        Originally posted by Kegboy
                        FIFA's line is basically the college line, though I'm sure somebody will come in with measurements.

                        But, even in my new role as Cabbage-hater, I don't believe range will be a concern.
                        How can you be so dead-set against him, when he hasn't even played a game for us yet?
                        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                        • #42
                          Re: Saras

                          Originally posted by SoupIsGood
                          How can you be so dead-set against him, when he hasn't even played a game for us yet?
                          How can you all think he's the savior, when he hasn't even played a game for us yet?

                          If you want more, ask Hicks to dig up my first article, the one about how I can't help being a contrarian. I've got absolutely nothing against the guy, in fact, you could say I'm trying to protect him from the avalanche of criticism that will eventually come when he doesn't live up to everyone's lofty standards (like, oh, I don't know, the Jesus Christ comparisons.)
                          Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                          • #43
                            Re: Saras

                            Originally posted by Kegboy
                            How can you all think he's the savior, when he hasn't even played a game for us yet?

                            If you want more, ask Hicks to dig up my first article, the one about how I can't help being a contrarian. I've got absolutely nothing against the guy, in fact, you could say I'm trying to protect him from the avalanche of criticism that will eventually come when he doesn't live up to everyone's lofty standards (like, oh, I don't know, the Jesus Christ comparisons.)
                            Okay.

                            I actually don't think he will be our savior. My expectations are for him to be a solid backup. He's got as much chance to be a lot worse than that, as he does to be a lot better than that, IMO.

                            Those who write him off before he even plays for us, though...
                            You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                            • #44
                              Re: Saras

                              Originally posted by SoupIsGood
                              Okay.

                              I actually don't think he will be our savior. My expectations are for him to be a solid backup. He's got as much chance to be a lot worse than that, as he does to be a lot better than that, IMO.

                              Those who write him off before he even plays for us, though...
                              Oh, I don't write him off. I think he'll be very good shooting specialist. I've just yet to see one quote from anyone associated with the Pacers that makes me believe they expect him to play real minutes at point.
                              Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                              • #45
                                Re: Saras

                                Originally posted by SoupIsGood
                                Okay.

                                I actually don't think he will be our savior. My expectations are for him to be a solid backup. He's got as much chance to be a lot worse than that, as he does to be a lot better than that, IMO.

                                Those who write him off before he even plays for us, though...
                                100% my position in this. I don't really like the hyping either, sets the stage for a huge amount of unfair critisysm when in the end he's good but, to continue on the line in this topic, no Jesus Christ.

                                Regards,

                                Mourning
                                2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                                2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                                2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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