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RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

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  • #16
    Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

    Originally posted by PacerFanAdam
    Can somone please explain to me the constant knocking of Jalen Rose? Jalen Rose is practically the same player now as he was 5 years ago when the Pacers signed him. Hell, a couple of years ago, Jalen averaged like 22 with the Bulls.

    What did you all expect out of Jalen Rose when that contract was signed? Did you all expect him to become a top 10 player or something? He's Jalen Rose.

    Jalen is probably the one player on that list that who's game hasn't gone to crap since he signed his contract.

    I'll never understand the constant knocking of Jalen Rose on this forum. I swear I think I'm the only person that liked Jalen Rose, and would still love to have him around. Without Jalen's clutch scoring, there are no finals in 2000.

    Jalen was the same player in 2000-2001 and when he was here in 01-02 as he was in 99-00. He was just stuck in a situation that wasn't that great, and had the burden of carrying the team.

    PFAdam, aren't you the one who didn't think that JO was a max contract guy? If JO isn't max worthy there is no way Rose was.
    "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

    "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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    • #17
      Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

      Originally posted by Arcadian
      PFAdam, aren't you the one who didn't think that JO was a max contract guy? If JO isn't max worthy there is no way Rose was.

      JO's contract is what, about 30 more million bucks? The Pacers had no choice but to sign Jermaine O'Neal to the max, or he would be living in San Antonio, Texas right now. Obviously I support keeping JO. But I think the Pacers expect alot out of JO. They practically handed the franchise to him. I don't think getting suspended 15 games for clocking a guy is what they had in mind.

      Anyway, I wasn't saying that Rose was worth the contract, I just want to know what people expected out of Rose when he signed it. He was never going to elevate to one of the top 5 or 10 players in the game. So is Rose overpaid? Yes. But I don't know what people expected out of him. Jalen is Jalen. When JO signed his contract, I think most expected him to elevate the Pacers to championship status, and there's still plenty of time left to do it.

      I'm going to ask this, and I'm not trying to be a smartass. What's the difference between Jalen Rose and Reggie Miller? A few clutch shots? Scoring is both of their strengths. They are both mediocre defenders at best. Reggie shinned best when he had a strong supporting cast, but when the team itself wasn't that strong, Reggie still put up solid numbers....Sounds just like Jalen....

      Reggie and Jalen got the furthest in their careers when they were both fed off of each other, and a strong cast of role players. Reggie seemed to have a bit more luck being placed with a stronger cast of teammates than Jalen did, but outside of a few clutch shots......they are pretty much the same.

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      • #18
        Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

        Originally posted by PacerFanAdam
        Can somone please explain to me the constant knocking of Jalen Rose?
        I think it's more to the idea that Ron and Brad were brought in together by using Jalen's contract.

        He's way over paid from the fact he wasn't an All-star, but was was the same price as two future ones.
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • #19
          Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

          Originally posted by Since86
          I think it's more to the idea that Ron and Brad were brought in together by using Jalen's contract.

          He's way over paid from the fact he wasn't an All-star, but was was the same price as two future ones.


          Oh, I definitely agree that was a deal we had to do. We robbed Chicago(and turned around and pulled a lobsided trade with Sac a year later).

          Since we traded Brad Miller for a bum, it ends up being Artest for Rose. I don't believe that Donnie was desperately shopping Jalen, but such a great deal came up with Chicago, he would have been a fool to pass it up.

          But still, I get the vibe from this forum that most were glad to see Jalen go.

          I was, and still am a Jalen Rose fan.

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          • #20
            Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

            Originally posted by PacerFanAdam
            JO's contract is what, about 30 more million bucks? The Pacers had no choice but to sign Jermaine O'Neal to the max, or he would be living in San Antonio, Texas right now. Obviously I support keeping JO. But I think the Pacers expect alot out of JO. They practically handed the franchise to him. I don't think getting suspended 15 games for clocking a guy is what they had in mind.

            Anyway, I wasn't saying that Rose was worth the contract, I just want to know what people expected out of Rose when he signed it. He was never going to elevate to one of the top 5 or 10 players in the game. So is Rose overpaid? Yes. But I don't know what people expected out of him. Jalen is Jalen. When JO signed his contract, I think most expected him to elevate the Pacers to championship status, and there's still plenty of time left to do it.

            I'm going to ask this, and I'm not trying to be a smartass. What's the difference between Jalen Rose and Reggie Miller? A few clutch shots? Scoring is both of their strengths. They are both mediocre defenders at best. Reggie shinned best when he had a strong supporting cast, but when the team itself wasn't that strong, Reggie still put up solid numbers....Sounds just like Jalen....

            Reggie and Jalen got the furthest in their careers when they were both fed off of each other, and a strong cast of role players. Reggie seemed to have a bit more luck being placed with a stronger cast of teammates than Jalen did, but outside of a few clutch shots......they are pretty much the same.
            I thought that your arguement about JO being overpaid was that if a player gets the max they are expected to win a championship. When Jalen signed the contract the Pacer's were his team. As unbelievable as that may seem that was the expectation. The difference between JO and Jalen is that JO is a top ten player while Jalen might have been a top 30 player.

            The difference between Reggie and Jalen is the desire to win, Reggie's amazing ability to move without the ball, a willingness to put the team first and much better range. It is more than a couple clutch shots that makes one a hall of famer and another a near miss All star at his best.
            "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

            "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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            • #21
              Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

              Yeah , it seems Donnie always has a knack for trading a player right as they already have hit thier peak, for players who are just on the upswing, because at the time , nobody was saying wow what a steal until afterwards.

              Why Not Us ?

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              • #22
                Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

                Since86, Pacerfan23 seems to be challenging you for the SEXIEST icon.

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                • #23
                  Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

                  Yeah Jalen get's a bad rep. Without Jalen theres no finals in 2000 folks, simple as that.
                  *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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                  • #24
                    Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

                    Originally posted by PacerFanAdam
                    Since86, Pacerfan23 seems to be challenging you for the SEXIEST icon.

                    You like David too, huh?
                    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                    • #25
                      Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

                      Originally posted by Jon Theodore
                      Yeah Jalen get's a bad rep. Without Jalen theres no finals in 2000 folks, simple as that.
                      Same with Rik, DD, AD, Reggie, Jackson, and Travis for that matter.

                      The thing with that team is, everyone knew they're role, and did it.

                      Jalen doesn't get more credit than anyone on that team.
                      Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                      • #26
                        Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

                        Originally posted by Since86
                        Same with Rik, DD, AD, Reggie, Jackson, and Travis for that matter.

                        The thing with that team is, everyone knew they're role, and did it.

                        Jalen doesn't get more credit than anyone on that team.
                        Boy, I don't know.

                        That was Jalen's team.

                        Reggie was already sliding into deferral mode. He'd step up and have big games in the playoffs, but Jalen was more consistent ( ) and Jalen was certainly our best player as the playoffs progressed. Hell, for everyone that *****es about Austin's contract... even he played better than Reggie the only time either guy was in The Finals. That's why multiple teams were offering him a a big, fat contract that we matched.
                        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                        And life itself, rushing over me
                        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                        • #27
                          Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck
                          Oops. When are you leaving

                          I thought I could slip that by you.

                          Have a good week or so

                          You won't be reading the forum will you ?

                          Actually I leave Sunday a.m.

                          I will have access to the internet but I will only be checking in every now & then.


                          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                          • #28
                            Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

                            Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                            Boy, I don't know.

                            That was Jalen's team.

                            Reggie was already sliding into deferral mode. He'd step up and have big games in the playoffs, but Jalen was more consistent ( ) and Jalen was certainly our best player as the playoffs progressed. Hell, for everyone that *****es about Austin's contract... even he played better than Reggie the only time either guy was in The Finals. That's why multiple teams were offering him a a big, fat contract that we matched.

                            Now Jay normally I don't like to disagree with you but this is the second time I've seen you refer to the offensive player of a series as the best player.

                            Now while I'm not nearly as anal as U.B. is about defense at the expense of offense I do feel that you have to contribute on both sides of the floor as well as rebound to be considered the best player. Jalen certainly was the most consistant scorer but I would hardly call him the best player.

                            Much like you referred to Smits as the best player in the 95 series vs. the Knicks. It was all I could do to remain consciouss after I read that.

                            In all honesty for overall play & I know neither of us want to admit this because I'd just as soon tell you Dale was the best but if I'm honest I have to say that Mark Jackson played both sides of the ball equally & helped out on the glass.

                            But even that is missing the point of those teams. They were truley teams, no one part was more important than the other. Without Dale's interior defense Smits would be, well he'd be Smits on defense. Without Riks sweet shooting Dale's lack of offense would be exposed. Without Reggie's clutch shooting etc.,,,


                            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                            • #29
                              Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

                              Originally posted by Since86
                              You like David too, huh?


                              He must have changed it.

                              He had a sexy icon of some chick on there, one from American Pie I believe.

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                              • #30
                                Re: RealGM - The Ten Worst Free-Agent Signings of the Past Decade

                                Peck's taking cheap shots at me on his way out of town

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