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    I agree with Chad. Cro might be needed. Cut Reggie


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    Celtics, Lakers, Sixers need 'Allan Houston

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    The "Allan Houston Rule" allows teams a one-time opportunity to release a player and avoid paying the luxury tax on his salary.

    The teams asked for the rule as part of the collective bargaining agreement, and it gives teams a unique opportunity to save money now and in the future that could be better spent on bringing in players.

    But now that they have it, most teams, it appears, will shun the opportunity, including several teams in danger of paying the luxury tax this season and in future seasons.

    Here is our team-by-team report, based on conversations with a number of team executives, that reveals what each team is expected to do, and what each team should do.




    Note: Salaries are estimated numbers, as of the morning of July 25, based on committed payroll and updated to reflect recent agreements on free agents and trades. Salaries in red denote teams that are expected to have to pay the luxury tax (expected to start at between $60-64 million) for next season.


    The Allan Houston Rule:


    Atlanta Hawks $25M None
    The Hawks don't have a lot going for them right now. However, one thing they do have is an absence of bad contracts. GM Billy Knight has done a good job of stripping the books of any long-term deals. They have zero use for the amnesty rule.


    Boston Celtics $51M Mark Blount
    The Celtics have two pretty bad contracts on the books and are dangerously close to paying the luxury tax. Raef LaFrentz has the worst contract, with four years, $47 million remaining on his deal. However, he still a productive player when he's healthy. Blount signed a six-year deal at the mid-level last summer, and it immediately looked as though the Celtics had made a mistake. He was a major disappointment and the Celtics could use relief from the five years, $33 million remaining on his contract. Dumping Blount would be admitting an expensive mistake, but it could also free up the Celtics to spend more money down the road.



    Charlotte Bobcats $25M None
    GM Bernie Bickerstaff has kept the Bobcats' payroll thin so they'll have big cap room going into summer 2006. The Bobcats have zero bad contracts on their books and no real use for the amnesty rule.


    Chicago Bulls $36M None
    GM John Paxson has done a great job of getting the Bulls' books in order. The Bulls should have major cap room in 2006 if they don't go hog wild re-signing Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler this summer. They don't have any bad contracts left on the books and won't need to use the amnesty clause.


    Cleveland Cavaliers $46M Eric Snow
    This is a tough one. The Cavs' payroll is under control, but they do have a bad contract they could dump. Snow has four years, $25 million left, and his talent doesn't justify that. Then again, he is the Cavs' only point guard, is a solid veteran presence and still can play defense. If the Cavs aspire to make a run at a championship this year, dumping Snow wouldn't be smart. However, if the team wants maximum flexibility in the future, he would be worth cutting.


    Dallas Mavericks $88M Michael Finley
    Owner Mark Cuban loves Michael Finley, but he might have little choice but to waive him. The Mavs are hopelessly over the luxury tax threshold and could save as much as $51 million in tax penalties by letting him go. Cuban was a carefree spender his first few years in the league, but he has gotten more conservative lately. As good as Finley has been, there's no way he's worth the extra $51 million in taxes. Look for Finley to be the most sought-after amnesty-rule casualty.


    Denver Nuggets $44M Eduardo Najera
    The Nuggets made a slight misstep in February when they traded the expiring contracts of Nikoloz Tskitishvili and Rodney White for Najera. Not only did his contract prevent them from getting far enough under the cap to make a run at a top free agent, it also could hurt them down the road as they continue to make forays into the free-agent market. Najera's a nice hustle player, but he's not really worth the three years, $13 million he has left on his contract. I'm not sure the Nuggets will waive him, but they probably should.


    Detroit Pistons $54M None
    President Joe Dumars has done a great job of keeping a winner on the floor without overpaying for players. The only contract on the books that could be considered bad is Rasheed Wallace's. Wallace is due $50 million over the next four years, and with Larry Brown's leaving the Pistons, it's unclear whether Wallace will continue to stay under control. Still, it's highly unlikely that the Pistons would waive Wallace, and given their cap position the next few seasons, they probably don't have to.


    Golden State Warriors $56M Adonal Foyle or
    Derek Fisher
    The Warriors look as though they're on the cusp of being a playoff team, but a couple of rookie mistakes by GM Chris Mullin might come back to haunt them. Mullin gave huge deals to Foyle and Fisher last summer. Foyle has four years, $35 million left on his contract. Fisher has five years, $32 million left on his. Although both players provide a veteran presence on a young roster, they can't produce at the rate they're getting paid. If the Warriors are going to avoid future luxury tax problems and retain some flexibility to use their mid-level exception down the road, they'll need to swallow their pride and let one of these players go this summer. Look for it to be Fisher. Although he was more productive than Foyle last season, his contract is longer and the Warriors need him less.


    Houston Rockets $59M Clarence Weatherspoon or Juwan Howard
    The Rockets have done a good job of ridding their team of bad long-term contracts. Only two, Weatherspoon's (1 year, $6.4 million) and Howard's (four years, $26.5 million), remain on the books. Given their current tax situation, the Rockets could just dump Weatherspoon and be done with it. As it stands the Rockets will be under the cap next season. But long term, they need to seriously consider Howard. With Yao Ming entering extension talks soon and the recent signing of Stromile Swift, they might want to get Howard's contract out of the way to facilitate a large payroll bump in the coming years.


    Indiana Pacers $78M Austin Croshere or
    Reggie Miller
    The Pacers are a small-market team with a large-market payroll. They certainly have an excuse to take advantage of the amnesty rule. Croshere is the most obvious candidate. He has two years, $15.2 million on his contract and hasn't lived up to expectations. However, team president Larry Bird loves Croshere and the Pacers have made it clear that they're going for a title this summer. Dumping a player, even a role player, doesn't necessarily fit with that goal. The team also could choose to dump Reggie Miller's contract -- since he's retiring anyway. But the savings would be much more modest with that move.


    Los Angeles Clippers $40M None
    Give Donald Sterling some credit for being a cheapskate. When you hardly ever sign free agents (including your own), and seldom trade for a big contract, you don't have too many bad deals on the books, and you don't pay the luxury tax.


    Los Angeles Lakers $69M Brian Grant
    The Lakers are another year away from getting big-time cap/tax relief, but you can expect owner Jerry Buss to start the party early. Grant didn't play a big role in L.A. last season and isn't worth the two years, $30 million left on his contract. Given that the Lakers are already in luxury tax land, and they've brought in Kwame Brown and rookie Andrew Bynum to patrol the paint, this one seems to be a slam dunk.


    Memphis Grizzlies $65M Brian Cardinal
    Owner Michael Heisley wants the team to start trimming the payroll. The Grizzlies can get under the luxury tax threshold by doing nothing this summer. Unfortunately for Grizz fans, that means letting three important role players -- Stromile Swift, Earl Watson and Bonzi Wells -- walk out the door. Still, the Grizzlies might need to swallow their pride and let Cardinal walk, as well. The five-year span (totaling $29 million) left on his contract is too much to bear and takes away any cap flexibility the Grizzlies might have for future signings. Cardinal is a great asset at 1 or 2 million a year, but not at 6 million apiece.


    Miami Heat $63M None
    You'd think the Heat would dump Eddie Jones and the two years, $30 million left on his contract. Although Jones is still productive, cutting him would provide great savings and flexibility to keep spending. However, the Heat are determined to make a run at an NBA title this coming season. With Shaq not getting any younger, the window is closing. Jones might not be earning his paycheck these days, but he's an integral part of the team. Pat Riley insists that the Heat won't waive him, luxury tax be damned.


    Milwaukee Bucks $57M Calvin Booth
    GM Larry Harris went on a spending spree this summer. Once you factor in the new contracts for Michael Redd, Bobby Simmons, Dan Gadzuric, Andrew Bogut and possibly Zaza Pachulia, the Bucks will be looking at a payroll that comes very near the luxury tax threshold. If the team wants to retain any flexibility, it'll dump the two years, $13 million of Booth's contract. He is unnecessary, given the pieces the Bucks have acquired, and could save them a tax payment next season should the team decide to add another player with the mid-level exception.


    Minnesota Timberwolves $58M Troy Hudson
    Minnesota is trying its best to trade away Sam Cassell and Hudson. Cassell shouldn't be too hard to move, being in the last year of his deal and still productive (though temperamental). No team, however, wants to pay the $29 million (for five years) left on Hudson's deal. That puts the Timberwovles in a quandary. Given their problems at the point, they probably need Hudson. But he's so overpaid as a backup that the team is likely to invoke the luxury tax if it spends any more money. This one is really a toss-up.


    New Jersey Nets $59M None
    President Rod Thorn and GM Ed Stefanski have done a great job assembling the Nets and doing it in a cost-conscious way. They wisely resisted the temptation to pay Kenyon Martin the max and now have landed a better player (Shareef Abdur-Rahim) for half the cash. The truth is that the Nets have no bad deals on the books and therefore no use for the amnesty rule.


    New Orleans Hornets $37M None
    The Hornets are well under the cap and don't need to take advantage of the rule. The closest thing they have to a bad contract is the two years, $16 million left on P.J. Brown's contract. However, Brown is veteran role model and a local celeb who is providing solid production, so look for them to keep him around.


    New York Knicks $120M Allan Houston
    Well, it's called the Allan Houston rule. However, we could call it the New York Knicks rule -- because most of the roster Isiah Thomas has assembled needs to be discarded under the amnesty provision. Though, to be fair, Thomas didn't sign Houston to his monstrous contract. By waiving Houston, the Knicks will save $40 million in luxury tax fees over the next two years. We'll see whether they use it wisely.


    Orlando Magic $73M Doug Christie
    Christie was one of former GM John Weisbrod's biggest missteps. The Magic needed Cuttino Mobley more than they realized, and Christie didn't want to play in Orlando. He has asked for a trade. The problem is that no one is beating down the door to pay him $8.2 million next season. The Magic will be taxpayers next year, and the $8.2 million in savings will be worth losing Christie. There's talk that Grant Hill would be a more financially prudent way to go, given that the Magic could save $32.5 million in tax penalties by waiving him. The problem is that fans and the media would stage a revolt. And after years of rehabbing a bad ankle, Hill is finally earning his salary.


    Philadelphia 76ers $80M Aaron McKie
    Their payroll is already out of control and they added another $14 million by agreeing to terms with Samuel Dalembert, Kyle Korver and Willie Green in free agency. That gives them a payroll of nearly $80 million (though that number will likely be reduced to $70 million in March once Jamal Mashburn retires). Chris Webber has a terrible contract. He has 3 years, $62 million left and no one believes he's going to be able to earn it. However, the Sixers just traded for him in February and with new head coach Mo Cheeks running the show, they believe they'll be able to get some value out of Webber for the next couple of years. McKie was once a solid role player, but he's way past his prime. He turns 33 in October, and there's no way the Sixers can justify keeping the three years, $20 million left on his contract on the books. The team would save $20 million in luxury tax penalties by letting him go.


    Phoenix Suns $52M Howard Eisley
    The Suns bought out Eisley's contract at the start of last season and still owe him $5.6 million in 2005-06 and 162,660 in 2006-07. Under the amnesty rules, the Suns would be allowed to apply for amnesty for Eisley's contract, even though he's no longer with the team. While the team isn't currently in danger of paying the tax, if they're forced to match a Hawks' max offer for Joe Johnson, they're looking at a potential $64 million payroll next season, which means Eisley's contract could provide some serious tax relief.


    Portland Trail Blazers $55M Derek Anderson or Theo Ratliff

    GM John Nash says the team has no intention of dumping Ratliff. Maybe that's because Nash signed Ratliff to a ridiculous three-year, $35 million extension last summer. With owner Paul Allen preaching fiscal responsibility and a host of young players starving for playing time, Ratliff looks like a luxury the Blazers no longer can afford. Instead, look for the Blazers to dump Anderson who, mostly because of injuries, has been a big disappointment in Portland. Dropping Anderson would save the Blazers $18 million in luxury tax penalties over the next two seasons.


    Sacramento Kings $58M None
    Some will argue that Kenny Thomas and Brian Skinner are overpaid, but the truth is that neither is in serious danger of being waived. Look for the Kings to sit this one out.


    San Antonio Spurs $59M Rasho Nesterovic
    The Spurs tried to pawn off Nesterovic to the Blazers for Abdur-Rahim but look as though they're now out of luck. Given where their payroll seems to be heading, they might want to get out of the four years, $30 million left on Nesterovic's deal before it's too late.


    Seattle SuperSonics $39M Danny Fortson
    The Sonics are not in danger of paying the luxury tax unless they start spending like crazy for their remaining free agents. Fortson is the only guy in danger of being waived. He's an excellent rebounder who nonetheless seems to fall out of favor with every team he plays for. He has two years, $13 million left on his contract.


    Toronto Raptors $56M Jalen Rose
    The Raptors are very close to the tax threshold, and Rose is one of the most overpaid players in the league. He's still fairly productive, but if the team continues to spend this summer, it will be tough to justify the two years, $32 million left on his contract. That said, a source in Toronto says the team is leaning strongly toward keeping him. Go figure. Instead, look for them to use Alonzo Mourning's buyout as the contract they try to get amnesty for.


    Utah Jazz $49M None
    The Jazz never have been big spenders, which keeps them off the taxpayer list this fall. They paid too much money to Mehmet Okur and Carlos Boozer, no question. But both players are productive and neither will be waived by the Jazz.


    Washington Wizards $52M None
    The Wizards have stayed out of trouble. Etan Thomas' contract is a bit excessive, but only if he can't get healthy.

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    Disappointing read really, nothing much new but great great thanks UB, I was hoping you'd post it today, just disappointed there isnít anything new in there, very sad attempt at making money...


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    Obviously he's never heard of a player named Jonathon Bender.

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    Obviously he's never heard of a player named Jonathon Bender.
    After seeing the grammar thing in the other thread, this is taking serious restraint ...

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    Indiana Pacers $78M Austin Croshere or
    Reggie Miller
    The Pacers are a small-market team with a large-market payroll. They certainly have an excuse to take advantage of the amnesty rule. Croshere is the most obvious candidate. He has two years, $15.2 million on his contract and hasn't lived up to expectations. However, team president Larry Bird loves Croshere and the Pacers have made it clear that they're going for a title this summer. a player, even a role player, doesn't necessarily fit with that goal. The team also could choose to dump Reggie Miller's contract -- since he's retiring anyway. But the savings would be much more modest with that move.
    I know some of you think championships are won in November, but this is the first time I've ever heard that the Pacers are trying to win a summertime title.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    I know some of you think championships are won in November, but this is the first time I've ever heard that the Pacers are trying to win a summertime title.

    maybe thats why they played artest in the summer league?


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    I know some of you think championships are won in November, but this is the first time I've ever heard that the Pacers are trying to win a summertime title.
    I get excused from missing that mistake but if that's correct OUCH !!!


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    I'm a little confused by all the back and forth on this issue. If all the players he mentioned really are released, there are going to be some REALLY interesting players on the market in a few weeks. Is that why we were able to sign Saras now? The real frenzy will happen then? But then I've seen some articles saying it won't make that much difference. What's the story?

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    maybe thats why they played artest in the summer league?


    And what was the team's record?

    Time to pull out this one again:


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    I think it's BS and i can see all but a hand few of players being released, the hype was good but now people are comming back down to earth, and no I don't think Bender or Cro will be released, I still think the Franchise holds hope that Bender will come threw this year and a mid-season trade may see him elsewhere..


    Grant,Finley, Cardinal, Blount, booth Houston & Anderson are they only given in my book

    and out of them only FInley and Blount and maybe Anderson should find a new home, I wish G State would trade Fisher back to the Fakers...


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    So this houston clause allows any team to drop any contract? Wow.

    What do they mean by only using it once? Is that literal. Like, once 'ever' and that's it?

    If a team doesn't use it this year, can they use it next year?

    Man, if Bender is gonna be sidelined again, I'd seriously consider dropping him.
    I like cro, but he is overpaid. Dropping Reggie wouldn't save us much.
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    Chad Ford is missing a big point. I quote:The "Allan Houston Rule" allows teams a one-time opportunity to release a player and avoid paying the luxury tax on his salary.

    He has some teams that are way under what the luxury tax will be, waiving players because of the luxury tax. That's just being dumb!

    Why should teams waive a player that isn't going to cost them the luxury tax? Then they have to not only pay the player anyway but find a replacement.

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    LOL @ the Cavs cutting Snow. He's their only PG! Is he serious?!

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    Obviously he's never heard of a player named Jonathon Bender.
    He's heard of him... it's just that he's so forgettable....

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    He's heard of him... it's just that he's so forgettable....

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    actually, i believe its chad ford that cant stand bender, is it not?

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    Chad Ford is missing a big point. I quote:The "Allan Houston Rule" allows teams a one-time opportunity to release a player and avoid paying the luxury tax on his salary.

    He has some teams that are way under what the luxury tax will be, waiving players because of the luxury tax. That's just being dumb!

    Why should teams waive a player that isn't going to cost them the luxury tax? Then they have to not only pay the player anyway but find a replacement.
    actually, theres is some potential reasoning.....if a team feels like theyd be much better off adding some other pieces versus the contributions of the player theyre gonna cut....if they kept that player, then they would go over the LT threshold, thereby having to pay the tax...

    look at it this way.....theres cap space.....and then there is luxuy tax cap space....this would be a way of gaining luxury tax space....

    example...derek anderson....portland....theyre under lux tax land...but might feel they could add 9 million in salary that would far outweigh what derek might add to the team...

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    Yeah, that part about winning a title this summer made me do a double-take. I read that and though, "this summer? something doesn't seem right...oh, because what we've been doing...."

    And I had to laugh at Eric Snow being dropped. I thought, "Yeah, they'll drop Snow and sign Saru-oh, wait, nope, no they won't."
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    actually, i believe its chad ford that cant stand bender, is it not?
    He didn't like his performance and subsequent quick departure from the summer league games.

    Whether that means he can't stand Bender, I do not know. I believe it is safe to say he isn't a fan of Bender's.

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    actually, theres is some potential reasoning.....if a team feels like theyd be much better off adding some other pieces versus the contributions of the player theyre gonna cut....if they kept that player, then they would go over the LT threshold, thereby having to pay the tax...

    look at it this way.....theres cap space.....and then there is luxuy tax cap space....this would be a way of gaining luxury tax space....

    example...derek anderson....portland....theyre under lux tax land...but might feel they could add 9 million in salary that would far outweigh what derek might add to the team...
    That's true, but he comes off as a moron for not saying what you just did. If he would have reasoned on potential savings, I could see it.

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    That's true, but he comes off as a moron for not saying what you just did. If he would have reasoned on potential savings, I could see it.
    well its probably not fair to expect him to be as smart as you and I....i mean we are pacer fans....that inherently means we know more than most journalists

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    well its probably not fair to expect him to be as smart as you and I....i mean we are pacer fans....that inherently means we know more than most journalists
    I agree with that. . . . well . . . I agree with that about the Pacers.

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    According to hoops hype Cro is owed 18.46 million. Wonder where he gets his figures.
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    Pretty hard for a team to add $9 million in salary when they're already over the cap. Even at that, they'd only start to save above that level. Besides Chad Ford has teams with $44 million in payroll waiving players - are those guys going to add $17 million when they're already practically capped out?
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    I think ESPN needs to use thier one time Amnesty Clause and drop Chad Ford.


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