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I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

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  • #31
    Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

    I'm not going to lie... JO + Tinsley or JO + FJ for KG would be an awesome trade. However, I agree with those that are reluctant to trade JO. I'm doing some serious waffling on this one.

    I just have the feeling that both Artest and JO will have a Kobe/Shaq type season as far as unstoppable duos go this upcoming season. Then again, Artest and Garnett... ... teams would see the Pacers on the schedule and wet their pants.

    Out of all the way-out-trade-this-superstar-for-that-one scenarios, this is by far the most likely. You even have the Bird and McHale connection working (they sat together during the Summer League games).

    I just gave myself a serious headache even thinking about this.

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    • #32
      Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

      I would do this trade in a heart beat assuming Saras lives up to his hype and assuming KG doesnt haul off and punch Edwards in the face for scoring on him in practice...

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      • #33
        Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

        A jerk? That's the first I've heard of KG. Care to explain your position J33J?

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        • #34
          Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

          Originally posted by efx
          A jerk? That's the first I've heard of KG. Care to explain your position J33J?


          The neagative thing I've heard about KG is that he is very hard on his teammates. Sort of like Jordan was. Many players could not hold up under the Jordan pressure, and KG is the same. And no every great player is not like that TD isn't and Shaq certainly isn't.

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          • #35
            Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

            Yeah, KG could have been making a lot more, but he resigned for less than he could have technically because he he wanted the team to get better, and, for a while, they were.

            Of course we would do that trade, and of course they wouldn't. I moved to Minnesota a few months ago, and I don't think that there's any chance they ever trade KG for anything less than, say, Duncan and Ginobili. Seriously, who in the league is better than KG? Duncan...and...um? Arguably TMac, once Shaq, maybe someday James or Wade. You just don't trade a superstar for two darn good players.

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            • #36
              Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

              Originally posted by Unclebuck
              The neagative thing I've heard about KG is that he is very hard on his teammates. Sort of like Jordan was. Many players could not hold up under the Jordan pressure, and KG is the same. And no every great player is not like that TD isn't and Shaq certainly isn't.
              Ah ok. Doesn't make him an *** in my eyes. Some people lead through quiet determination and others are more outspoken.

              Shrug, if people get payed to play this game in the amounts they do they can put up with a little yelling from their leader IMO.

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              • #37
                Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                I don't see why T-wolves would trade KG for JO+ Tins. It may be decent value, but it doesn't:
                1) make them much better (if at all) now
                2) offer salary relief for their 2 big contracts (wally + hudson)
                3) offer their fans alot of hope that comes with young up and coming prospects

                How in the world do you sell that to your fans? You trade one of the top 5 (3?) players in the league to gain a 2nd teir PG that is always injured? Not exactly a championship move is it? Even a worse economic decision when you consider how marketable KG is compared to JO.

                IMO any trade for KG has to make them ALOT better now (which will be very hard to do) or offer salary relief and young good prospects.

                I think at best it would take:

                Hudson
                KG

                for

                JO
                Tinsley
                Fred Jones
                DAvid Harrison

                Most likely:

                KG
                Hudson
                Wally

                for

                JO
                Tinsley
                Fred Jones
                David Harrison
                Scott Pollard

                For a top 5 (3?) player in his prime it is going to cost alot! Your not just paying for his on court value, your paying for his marketability.

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                • #38
                  Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                  Originally posted by McKeyFan
                  Tinsley would like the West much, much better


                  How do you figure?
                  I don't see either one of them being traded, it's too soon.... give them all a shot to play together first.

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                  • #39
                    Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                    Originally posted by rm1369
                    I don't see why T-wolves would trade KG for JO+ Tins. It may be decent value, but it doesn't:
                    1) make them much better (if at all) now
                    2) offer salary relief for their 2 big contracts (wally + hudson)
                    3) offer their fans alot of hope that comes with young up and coming prospects

                    How in the world do you sell that to your fans? You trade one of the top 5 (3?) players in the league to gain a 2nd teir PG that is always injured? Not exactly a championship move is it? Even a worse economic decision when you consider how marketable KG is compared to JO.

                    IMO any trade for KG has to make them ALOT better now (which will be very hard to do) or offer salary relief and young good prospects.

                    I think at best it would take:

                    Hudson
                    KG

                    for

                    JO
                    Tinsley
                    Fred Jones
                    DAvid Harrison

                    Most likely:

                    KG
                    Hudson
                    Wally

                    for

                    JO
                    Tinsley
                    Fred Jones
                    David Harrison
                    Scott Pollard

                    For a top 5 (3?) player in his prime it is going to cost alot! Your not just paying for his on court value, your paying for his marketability.
                    i dont think kg and wally will ever be traded to the same team...theres issues there....that if a trade is going to happen u dont put them back on the same team....not unlike u probably wouldnt trade jo and artest to the same team...if anything was going to happen like that it would probably have to involve a 3rd team to take wally....

                    that being said....jo and wally would be a formidable tandem...ive said before i think kg and artest would be better together than jo and artest....i also feel like jo and wally would probably be a better match than wally and kg...

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                    • #40
                      Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                      Minnesota won't have a problem trading them to the same team. It would be up to whoever is taking them to decide if having KG is worth having Wally as well. For me the issue of wether the like each other is pretty minor. Id be way more concerned about Wally's contract. That would be the deal killer IMO.

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                      • #41
                        Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                        Didn't Bird prefer Wally over Bender? Wasn't Foster a deal done by Walsh to pacify Bird because he didn't want Bender (or at least didn't want Bender when Wally was available)?

                        -Bball
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                        ------

                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                        -John Wooden

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                        • #42
                          Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                          Originally posted by efx
                          Ah ok. Doesn't make him an *** in my eyes. Some people lead through quiet determination and others are more outspoken.

                          Shrug, if people get payed to play this game in the amounts they do they can put up with a little yelling from their leader IMO.
                          He punched one of his teammates last season.

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                          • #43
                            Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                            Originally posted by PacerMan
                            He punched one of his teammates last season.
                            Yep, and he likes to throw elbows on occasion just to be tough. He's one helluva player though, arguably the best in the NBA imo.

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                            • #44
                              Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck
                              The neagative thing I've heard about KG is that he is very hard on his teammates. Sort of like Jordan was. Many players could not hold up under the Jordan pressure, and KG is the same. And no every great player is not like that TD isn't and Shaq certainly isn't.

                              That's my biggest problem with KG, he can sometimes be a jerk to his teammates(like when he popped one)

                              Jordan at least had some credibility to do it. He could say "this is what you do to win a ring, I know."

                              How many players want to take crap from Kevin "I've been out of the first round once" Garnett?

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                              • #45
                                Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                                next year.... Next year.... this year I'm Happy with O'neal and Artest and Tins, if we don't make the finals this year i'm keen for a trade... but this year they deserve a chance one chance to be together....

                                and besides there too young, besides Al i don't think we ever traded young for old, we allways trade old for Young in Hoosier Land
                                Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...

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