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I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

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  • I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

    JO + Tinsley for Garnett seems like a decent possibility to me, so I will go ahead and post it so I can get bragging rights if it actually happens.

    1. Minnesota is in a semi-funk and would be open to an overhaul.

    2. The combo of JO and Tinsley is one of the few trades, IMO, that would excite the fan base there and provide a real replacement to someone of Garnett's ability and stature.

    3. Minnesota does not have a pg with the excitement of Tinsley. That would be a major draw for them.

    4. With our new and emerging offensive weapons (Saras, Artest, Granger, JJ, Harrison, Jax), isos with JO are just not as important for us anymore, and are arguably a potential hazard. Whatever we lose in trading JO we completely or at least very nearly gain back with Garnett, who, IMO, does not carry the risk of needing a certain number of isos each game.

    5. Garnett helps us with the physical type play we need if Dale is not in the game. Plus, we could also throw Bender into the trade and get a bruiser from the Wolves thrown in. The "potential" factor of Bender would add to Minnesota's hopes of a successful overhaul.

    Only a theory. But plausible, I think.

    If it happens, I say LB has serious stones. It would as big a risk for us as for Minnesota.
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    Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

    I see that as a trade that Minnesota would do, possibly with a 1st rounder thrown in on Indiana's side.

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    • #3
      Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

      I'm not seeing that happen, but if it did I would get my keyboard all sticky with excitement.

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      • #4
        Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

        I doubt Minny trades KG.

        I don't think they are going to be open to a overhaul. They still have there work cut out for them but I don't think they will trade KG, one of the top 3 players in the league probably.

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        • #5
          Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

          How about:
          JO
          Tins
          Cro

          For:
          KG
          Hudson

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          • #6
            Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

            Minnesota wouldn't do that.

            It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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            • #7
              Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

              Originally posted by Fig Newton
              I'm not seeing that happen, but if it did I would get my keyboard all sticky with excitement.
              Ewwwwww.

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              • #8
                Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                Can KG even be traded for that little, within the CBA? He makes *far* more than JO's "max" salary, doesn't he? And Tinsley's BYC, so that doesn't help the math, either.

                I just don't see KG being traded, but I think JO and change is one of the few offers they'll consider.
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                • #9
                  Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                  Indiana Trade Breakdown
                  Outgoing
                  Jermaine O'Neal
                  6-11 PF from Eau Claire HS (SC)
                  24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.8 minutes
                  Jamaal Tinsley
                  6-3 PG from Iowa State
                  15.4 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 6.4 apg in 32.5 minutes
                  Incoming
                  Kevin Garnett
                  6-11 PF from Farragut Academy HS (IL)
                  22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
                  Change in team outlook: -17.5 ppg, +0.7 rpg, and -2.6 apg.


                  Minnesota Trade Breakdown
                  Outgoing
                  Kevin Garnett
                  6-11 PF from Farragut Academy HS (IL)
                  22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
                  Incoming
                  Jermaine O'Neal
                  6-11 PF from Eau Claire HS (SC)
                  24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.8 minutes
                  Jamaal Tinsley
                  6-3 PG from Iowa State
                  15.4 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 6.4 apg in 32.5 minutes
                  Change in team outlook: +17.5 ppg, -0.7 rpg, and +2.6 apg.



                  Successful Scenario
                  Due to Indiana and Minnesota being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Indiana and Minnesota had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.




                  How do I sign up for this trade? Would it help if I offered to carry Jermaine & Jamaal's bags to the airport?


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                  • #10
                    Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                    In my dreams.......

                    I wish I had never even seen the fact that the trade works, salary-wise.

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                    • #11
                      Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                      Originally posted by Peck
                      Indiana Trade Breakdown
                      Outgoing
                      Jermaine O'Neal
                      6-11 PF from Eau Claire HS (SC)
                      24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.8 minutes
                      Jamaal Tinsley
                      6-3 PG from Iowa State
                      15.4 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 6.4 apg in 32.5 minutes
                      Incoming
                      Kevin Garnett
                      6-11 PF from Farragut Academy HS (IL)
                      22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
                      Change in team outlook: -17.5 ppg, +0.7 rpg, and -2.6 apg.


                      Minnesota Trade Breakdown
                      Outgoing
                      Kevin Garnett
                      6-11 PF from Farragut Academy HS (IL)
                      22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
                      Incoming
                      Jermaine O'Neal
                      6-11 PF from Eau Claire HS (SC)
                      24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.8 minutes
                      Jamaal Tinsley
                      6-3 PG from Iowa State
                      15.4 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 6.4 apg in 32.5 minutes
                      Change in team outlook: +17.5 ppg, -0.7 rpg, and +2.6 apg.



                      Successful Scenario
                      Due to Indiana and Minnesota being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Indiana and Minnesota had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.




                      How do I sign up for this trade? Would it help if I offered to carry Jermaine & Jamaal's bags to the airport?

                      If something like this were to happen... and factor in this real FA signing (Saras) early in the game rather than a vet minimum guy just before training camp.... I'd have to wonder what was going on in the offices of PS&E. I'd have to assume someone has been abducted by aliens and replaced with a clone of some sort and a new mission directive.

                      Could Pacer fans stand that much excitement and possibility? I'm not sure how some would react. We've been conservative for so long I'm not sure what a proactive approach would do to them. ...Of course it is how you win championships... They rarely fall in your lap.

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                        Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                        Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                        Can KG even be traded for that little, within the CBA? He makes *far* more than JO's "max" salary, doesn't he? And Tinsley's BYC, so that doesn't help the math, either.

                        I just don't see KG being traded, but I think JO and change is one of the few offers they'll consider.
                        JO 16.4 Mil
                        Jamaal 5.4 Mil
                        Totals 21.8

                        KG is 18 Mil

                        Why Not Us ?

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                        • #13
                          Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                          I would go nuts (positively) if this trade happened. I think Minnesota would do it, too.

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                          • #14
                            Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                            The problem is, the TWolves are likely to require any team getting Garnett to take the contracts of Hudson and/or Sczerbiak off their hands for that privilege. I want no part of either, but if Hudson could stay healthy he'd be OK as a backup combo guard.

                            Someone mentioned JO/Cro/Tins for Garnett/Hudson, and Kstat rightly said the TWolves wouldn't do that; but they might do JO/Pollard/Tins for Garnett/Hudson, so they would get two quality starters and a big man's expiring contract (instead of Croshere). Not sure if this scenario would work through RealGM, though.
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                            • #15
                              Re: I'm sensing JO and Tinsley for Garnett

                              JO for KG actually works straight up.


                              Minnesota Trade Breakdown
                              Outgoing

                              Kevin Garnett
                              6-11 PF from Farragut Academy HS (IL)
                              22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
                              Incoming

                              Jermaine O'Neal
                              6-11 PF from Eau Claire HS (SC)
                              24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.8 minutes
                              Change in team outlook: +2.1 ppg, -4.7 rpg, and -3.8 apg.

                              Indiana Trade Breakdown
                              Outgoing

                              Jermaine O'Neal
                              6-11 PF from Eau Claire HS (SC)
                              24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.8 minutes
                              Incoming

                              Kevin Garnett
                              6-11 PF from Farragut Academy HS (IL)
                              22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
                              Change in team outlook: -2.1 ppg, +4.7 rpg, and +3.8 apg.


                              Successful Scenario
                              Due to Minnesota and Indiana being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Minnesota and Indiana had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


                              Makes you wonder, Tinsley as added flavor to the trade or someone else? (Fred Jones, JJ (sign and trade), Granger, AJ, Bender, etc)

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