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Iversons first name should be DICK

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  • #16
    Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

    The problem with trading Iverson is that he is more valuable to Philly than he would be to any other team.


    The teams who would want him probably have nothing you would want in return. ie: Knicks
    This summer, if the Lakers KNOW Kobe is leaving this summer..... maybe they try to work a sign and trade to get something instead of nothing?

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    • #17
      Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

      Oh yeah thats what the Lakers need. They need a guy who thinks he needs to take all the shots. That will make Shaq happy and motivated. ed:

      I could see the Lakers trying to get T-Mac but not Iverson.

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      • #18
        Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

        This reminds me of when Barkley was traded. I don't know if trading AI is a good idea unless you think the team is going to get better without him or you are prepared for a complete rebuilding project like the Hawks.

        AI will be easy to trade. Why wouldn't a winning team want him? He sells out arenas, he has proved he can play team ball this summer and during the all star game and most importantly it is a rare chance to pick up a franchise player and proven player.

        Trade AI to a contender next year and he will be the MVP again.
        "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

        "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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        • #19
          Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

          Oh yeah thats what the Lakers need. They need a guy who thinks he needs to take all the shots. That will make Shaq happy and motivated. ed:

          I could see the Lakers trying to get T-Mac but not Iverson.
          Actually Shaq loves Iverson. He always talks very highly of Iverson he even said Iverson was one of the best 5 guards ever so they have a pretty good relationship. I still don't have a problem with Iverson on the court hes still a terrific player if he was on a good team where he wasn't seeing zone defenses designed to stop him and triple teams every game he would be even better. Its his off the court antics and the fact that the 76ers aren't going to be able to rebuild around him that makes me think the 76ers should trade him this offseason not his on the court game. Also his body is starting to break down its tough to have a consistent team when your best player is going to miss 20-25 games every season. His injuries aren't fluke injuries they are injuries that result from his style of play and he can't bounce back from them like he could 5 or 6 years ago so thats another reason I think the 76ers should trade him this offseason its tough to have cohesion when he is going to miss 20-25 games per season from here on out.

          As far as who they could get in return? Thats tough maybe then can do a deal with Dallas if they get bounced early in the playoffs, maybe then can do a three team deal with Seattle involving Ray Allen, maybe Chicago with some of their young players but it won't be easy to get equal value in return.

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          • #20
            Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

            Shaq may love iverson now, but what happens when Iverson is playing on his team and is taking 75% of shaq's shots?


            That would be a big concern of mine. I'm not sure what I would do in Philly's shoes. If they trade him They better make sure its something great in return. If they don't are they prepared for the possibility that he continues to degrade as he ages due to the style of play and his aging body?

            Would be a really tough decision for me.

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            • #21
              Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

              Oh yeah thats what the Lakers need. They need a guy who thinks he needs to take all the shots. That will make Shaq happy and motivated. ed:

              I could see the Lakers trying to get T-Mac but not Iverson.
              God that's an awful thought.

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              • #22
                Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

                What Iverson did was the equivalent of him not getting his way, so he took his ball and went home. If he truly wanted to help his team in ANY way possible, then he would've played and came off the bench.

                No one ever accused AI of being a genius, especially after those now infamous "We're talking 'bout practice..." quotes...

                What a dope...
                Frankly, I agree. If I were in the Philly front office and I saw him come out of the locker room after warm-ups in his street clothes, I would have sent him a memo that said, "Um, Alan, son, you like those street clothes so much, why don't you just keep wearing them for the next six or seven games, okay? And if you don't like that option, you're suspended without pay for violation of contract. For how long? Until you get on your knees at center court and beg the fans to forgive your egotistical childishness, you little selfish brat!"

                Of course, I'm NOT in the Philly front office. As if . . .

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                • #23
                  Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

                  I only wish I could find a transcript of the whole past classic masterpiece.
                  ================================

                  Allen Iverson

                  If I can't practice, I can't practice. It is as simple as that. It ain't about that at all. It's easy to sum it up if you're just talking about practice. We're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we're talking about practice. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice. Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game last it's my last but we're talking about practice man. How silly is that?



                  Now I know that I'm supposed to lead by example and all that but I'm not shoving that aside like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I honestly do but we're talking about practice. We're talking about practice man. We're talking about practice. We're talking about practice. We're not talking about the game. We're talking about practice. When you come to the arena, and you see me play, you've seen me play right, you've seen me give everything I've got, but we're talking about practice right now.

                  Reporter

                  But [not going to practice is] an issue that your coach continues to raise?

                  Iverson

                  Hey I hear you, it's funny to me too. Hey it's strange to me too but we're talking about practice man, we're not even talking about the game, when it actually matters. We're talking about practice.

                  Reporter

                  Is it possible that if you practiced, not you, but you would make your teammates better?

                  Iverson

                  How in the hell can I make my teammates better by practicing?

                  Reporter

                  So they can be used to playing with you.

                  Iverson

                  They should be used to playing with me. Those are my teammates. So my game is going to deteriorate because I'm not practicing with my teammates? Is my game is going to get worse? I'm asking you, is my game going to get worse? So what about my game? Is my game going to get better because other players are hurt on my team, I mean, do that hurt me? Do you think that hurts me? I'm being honest, people are hurt on my team but do that hurt me? Does that hurt me when I go out there and play 48 minutes, does that hurt me as a player? Does that hurt me if this person is hurt or that person is hurt? Do it hurt me?

                  http://cubecow.com/alex/iverson.htm
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                  -Bball
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                  • #24
                    Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

                    IVY IS THE FRANCHISE. I'm tired of people bashing him. You have to understand IVY is the team and all he is asking for is respect. What JackA$$ FORD did was disrespect him...FORD should get fired...IVY is the FRANCHISE and without him Sixers would never have made the finals..he truly is one of the greatest players in the game.

                    Are you serious? ed:
                    Do you actually place one player above the team?
                    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

                      IVY IS THE FRANCHISE. I'm tired of people bashing him. You have to understand IVY is the team and all he is asking for is respect. What JackA$$ FORD did was disrespect him...FORD should get fired...IVY is the FRANCHISE and without him Sixers would never have made the finals..he truly is one of the greatest players in the game.

                      Are you serious? ed:
                      Do you actually place one player above the team?
                      when that player is the team, YES!!!

                      Um... no. If any one player IS your team, your team has a serious problem. No one player can beat five guys night in, night out. Teams like that don't win championships, and, worse yet, they aren't very fun to watch.

                      I think it's time Philly get what they can for AI and start over.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

                        IVY IS THE FRANCHISE.
                        That could be a big reason why your franchise sucks.
                        The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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                        • #27
                          Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

                          What JackA$$ FORD did was disrespect him...FORD should get fired...IVY is the FRANCHISE
                          Bul :censor: t. What Ford did was coach the team. Coaches have to make difficult decisions because they are looking out for the best interests of THE TEAM.

                          It p :censor: me off when someone equates coaching with disrespect. The only disrespect here is that "Ivy" - who is nothing more than just another talented and highly-rated EMPLOYEE - forgot who was the THE BOSS - The one with management-given authority to make desicions in the best interest of THE TEAM. Whether its practice, this example, or the police, IVY continues to show both disrespect and an utter lack of understanding to all forms of authority.

                          This is shameful.

                          Chris Ford may not be highly regarded as coach, but kudo's to him for holding his ground and not caving in to this nonsense like some of his predecessors have.
                          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                          And life itself, rushing over me
                          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                          • #28
                            Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

                            SaS do you then think it was wrong of Rick to bench Artest in the NJ game, or in the preseason?

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                            • #29
                              Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

                              A nice, short article about A.I. written by Steve Kerr.

                              Steve Kerr's take on A.I. and his attitude

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                              • #30
                                Re: Iversons first name should be DICK

                                A nice, short article about A.I. written by Steve Kerr.

                                Steve Kerr's take on A.I. and his attitude
                                Hear! Hear!

                                What he said! Only more!

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