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    AI could have taken it better but it is obvious that Chris Ford is on a power trip with him. Ford is on the list of coaches who are below Thomas. It was a horrible hire.
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    it is very simple, Ford is the ******* here, not AI, he wants to "show" AI "who's running the show here" which is a sure fire way to loose a top player and never get another one back.

    How could he have not know AI was ready to play, he participated in the shootout for crying out loud dressed and well!

    stupid move by a non-descript never gonna make it anywhere coach.
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    When you know the meaning of the word "coach" come back and talk, slavery went out a couple a years ago.
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    it is very simple, Ford is the ******* here, not AI, he wants to "show" AI "who's running the show here" which is a sure fire way to loose a top player and never get another one back.

    How could he have not know AI was ready to play, he participated in the shootout for crying out loud dressed and well!

    stupid move by a non-descript never gonna make it anywhere coach.
    I have to agree with you on this, though I think that BOTH of them should stop being jerks. I have TREMENDOUS respect for AI's game, he puts his heart out there when he plays.
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    When you know the meaning of the word "coach" come back and talk, slavery went out a couple a years ago.
    I didnt know one of the meanings of "slave" was : "a multi millionare who is asked to take a reduced role in a basketball game" . . .


    I need a new dictionary . . .

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    Iverson's an idiot. Ford may not be too bright either but that doesn't mean you throw it out in the media like that.

    AI knows what a following he has in Philly. My guess is he's taking his first shot at running his coach out of town. Probably will happen if they miss the playoffs even though you can't blame Ford too much - injuries have butchered them.
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    The 76ers sold their souls to Iverson years ago.

    I have never ever been a fan of his. I do not buy into the he's a tough little man propoganda that his fans post.

    I mean no disrespect to 76ers fans btw, their franchise has always had it's share of stars & great teams. But when they took Iverson & then traded away every other part around him just so he could be around players that didn't mind him shooting 30 times a game while they all stood around & waited on him to decide when & when not to pass the ball, the team just crumbled.

    Their trip to the finals was a testament to two things.

    1. Our team being blown apart (prematurely IMO, but that is not a point to debate here)
    2. Larry Brown being one hell of a coach.

    Is Allen Iverson talented? You bet.

    Is he the best little man to ever play the game? I don't know but he has to be one of the best.

    Is he a self centered *** who should never ever have been given as much leeway as he was given by the franchise? Absolutely.

    BTW, don't give me the I hate A.I. because he has flava or whatever other word you want to use. I could care less.

    What I would care about, if I was a Philly fan, was a player who is not content unless he is providing 65% of the teams shots a game. (BTW, I don't know that that is the amount I just made it up but it seems right)

    Call me a prude, call me old fashion, call me whatever you want but I just think sportsmanship comes into play here & whenever I hear somebody say that such & such player hates to lose so much he can't help (fill in the blank behavior here).

    I don't accept it when Artest fans use it for him & I don't accept it when Iverson does it himself.

    Each time the players behavior is indicative to one thing. SELF.

    Notice he hated losing so much last night that he didn't play? Notice earlier this season Ron Artest hated losing so much he started firing up whatever shot he wanted?

    Hating to lose is a bull***** excuse. I don't know of any pro player that gets up in the morning & wants to go lose. Some like it less than others but do you really think they all don't hate to lose?

    It's how you handle it that makes you a man, IMO.

    Does Allen Iverson hate to lose any more than say Magic Johnson did? I would say hell no. But Magics answer to losing wouldn't be to shoot the ball 73 times more a game.

    Sorry went off on a rant there for a moment, but I'm back.

    In conclusion I'm just suprised it took Iverson all of these years to do this.


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    The 76ers sold their souls to Iverson years ago.

    I have never ever been a fan of his. I do not buy into the he's a tough little man propoganda that his fans post.

    I mean no disrespect to 76ers fans btw, their franchise has always had it's share of stars & great teams. But when they took Iverson & then traded away every other part around him just so he could be around players that didn't mind him shooting 30 times a game while they all stood around & waited on him to decide when & when not to pass the ball, the team just crumbled.

    Their trip to the finals was a testament to two things.

    1. Our team being blown apart (prematurely IMO, but that is not a point to debate here)
    2. Larry Brown being one hell of a coach.

    Is Allen Iverson talented? You bet.

    Is he the best little man to ever play the game? I don't know but he has to be one of the best.

    Is he a self centered *** who should never ever have been given as much leeway as he was given by the franchise? Absolutely.

    BTW, don't give me the I hate A.I. because he has flava or whatever other word you want to use. I could care less.

    What I would care about, if I was a Philly fan, was a player who is not content unless he is providing 65% of the teams shots a game. (BTW, I don't know that that is the amount I just made it up but it seems right)

    Call me a prude, call me old fashion, call me whatever you want but I just think sportsmanship comes into play here & whenever I hear somebody say that such & such player hates to lose so much he can't help (fill in the blank behavior here).

    I don't accept it when Artest fans use it for him & I don't accept it when Iverson does it himself.

    Each time the players behavior is indicative to one thing. SELF.

    Notice he hated losing so much last night that he didn't play? Notice earlier this season Ron Artest hated losing so much he started firing up whatever shot he wanted?

    Hating to lose is a bull***** excuse. I don't know of any pro player that gets up in the morning & wants to go lose. Some like it less than others but do you really think they all don't hate to lose?

    It's how you handle it that makes you a man, IMO.

    Does Allen Iverson hate to lose any more than say Magic Johnson did? I would say hell no. But Magics answer to losing wouldn't be to shoot the ball 73 times more a game.

    Sorry went off on a rant there for a moment, but I'm back.

    In conclusion I'm just suprised it took Iverson all of these years to do this.
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    "I'm a starter. I've been a starter here for eight years. I'm not a sixth man," Iverson said after the game.
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    PRACTICE!?!?! PRACTICE?!?!?! We're just talking about practice!



    [color=blue:3384e54ec8] It is, and always has been, about what Allen Iverson felt was imprtant. Afterall, he knows more about the game than any coach possibly could because he IS AI.
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    What Iverson did was the equivalent of him not getting his way, so he took his ball and went home. If he truly wanted to help his team in ANY way possible, then he would've played and came off the bench.

    No one ever accused AI of being a genius, especially after those now infamous "We're talking 'bout practice..." quotes...

    What a dope...

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    I'll take this one from the prospective of the owner. Iverson was at the shoot around, was physically able to perform and didn't. I dock him a day's pay!
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    I'll take this one from the prospective of the owner. Iverson was at the shoot around, was physically able to perform and didn't. I dock him a day's pay!
    I'd sure want to - or even suspend him for a game for "conduct detrimental".

    That won't happen though.
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    Peck's post said it best.

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    You guys know I usually defend Iverson but I usually only defend Iverson with post concerning his game play never his off the court actions. I usually just defend Iverson when hes called a ballhog,overrated,etc.,, but I've never defended Iverson when it comes to his off the court actions as I prefer professionals like Aaron Mckie, Snow etc.,, in Philly we've always just learned to somewhat ignore his off the court actions as immature etc.,, because of his style of play on the court. But that attitude has definitely changed this season.

    Iverson has been acting like a jerk this season; plain and simple. I think alot of people in Philly myself included are tired of his antics. In the past we excused some of his transgressions because of his youth and immaturity and because he would make up for his off the court behavior by carrying his team on the court and providing leadership on the court. This season he has been devisive, just the other night in a thrilling double overtime home win against the Knicks Iverson didn't even sit on the bench with his teammates instead he chose to watch the game from the locker room. Thats inexcusable he should be on the bench providing leadership and advice to the younger players on the team.

    Ford was right in saying AI should come off the bench yesterday because the team had won 4 straight and the last time AI came back from an injury he wasn't in game shape and shot 2-21 in the game against NY. So Ford wanted to ease him back in this time just like hes doing with Coleman and Jackson because it was an important game for the 76ers playoff hopes and Iverson should have accepted the role for the team. There are alot of reports coming out in the Philly media this season about Iverson and his off the court antics that in past seasons have been pushed under the carpet by Larry Brown. Personally I've come to the conclusion that the 76ers need to rebuild around some of their younger players and trade Iverson this summer. Hes just become too disruptive this season and its become impossible to have any consistency as a team with his antics its definitely time for the 76ers to make a move and trade him.

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    The problem with trading Iverson is that he is more valuable to Philly than he would be to any other team.


    The teams who would want him probably have nothing you would want in return. ie: Knicks

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    The problem with trading Iverson is that he is more valuable to Philly than he would be to any other team.


    The teams who would want him probably have nothing you would want in return. ie: Knicks
    This summer, if the Lakers KNOW Kobe is leaving this summer..... maybe they try to work a sign and trade to get something instead of nothing?

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    Oh yeah thats what the Lakers need. They need a guy who thinks he needs to take all the shots. That will make Shaq happy and motivated. ed:

    I could see the Lakers trying to get T-Mac but not Iverson.

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    This reminds me of when Barkley was traded. I don't know if trading AI is a good idea unless you think the team is going to get better without him or you are prepared for a complete rebuilding project like the Hawks.

    AI will be easy to trade. Why wouldn't a winning team want him? He sells out arenas, he has proved he can play team ball this summer and during the all star game and most importantly it is a rare chance to pick up a franchise player and proven player.

    Trade AI to a contender next year and he will be the MVP again.
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    Oh yeah thats what the Lakers need. They need a guy who thinks he needs to take all the shots. That will make Shaq happy and motivated. ed:

    I could see the Lakers trying to get T-Mac but not Iverson.
    Actually Shaq loves Iverson. He always talks very highly of Iverson he even said Iverson was one of the best 5 guards ever so they have a pretty good relationship. I still don't have a problem with Iverson on the court hes still a terrific player if he was on a good team where he wasn't seeing zone defenses designed to stop him and triple teams every game he would be even better. Its his off the court antics and the fact that the 76ers aren't going to be able to rebuild around him that makes me think the 76ers should trade him this offseason not his on the court game. Also his body is starting to break down its tough to have a consistent team when your best player is going to miss 20-25 games every season. His injuries aren't fluke injuries they are injuries that result from his style of play and he can't bounce back from them like he could 5 or 6 years ago so thats another reason I think the 76ers should trade him this offseason its tough to have cohesion when he is going to miss 20-25 games per season from here on out.

    As far as who they could get in return? Thats tough maybe then can do a deal with Dallas if they get bounced early in the playoffs, maybe then can do a three team deal with Seattle involving Ray Allen, maybe Chicago with some of their young players but it won't be easy to get equal value in return.

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    Shaq may love iverson now, but what happens when Iverson is playing on his team and is taking 75% of shaq's shots?


    That would be a big concern of mine. I'm not sure what I would do in Philly's shoes. If they trade him They better make sure its something great in return. If they don't are they prepared for the possibility that he continues to degrade as he ages due to the style of play and his aging body?

    Would be a really tough decision for me.

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    Oh yeah thats what the Lakers need. They need a guy who thinks he needs to take all the shots. That will make Shaq happy and motivated. ed:

    I could see the Lakers trying to get T-Mac but not Iverson.
    God that's an awful thought.

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    What Iverson did was the equivalent of him not getting his way, so he took his ball and went home. If he truly wanted to help his team in ANY way possible, then he would've played and came off the bench.

    No one ever accused AI of being a genius, especially after those now infamous "We're talking 'bout practice..." quotes...

    What a dope...
    Frankly, I agree. If I were in the Philly front office and I saw him come out of the locker room after warm-ups in his street clothes, I would have sent him a memo that said, "Um, Alan, son, you like those street clothes so much, why don't you just keep wearing them for the next six or seven games, okay? And if you don't like that option, you're suspended without pay for violation of contract. For how long? Until you get on your knees at center court and beg the fans to forgive your egotistical childishness, you little selfish brat!"

    Of course, I'm NOT in the Philly front office. As if . . .

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    I only wish I could find a transcript of the whole past classic masterpiece.
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    Allen Iverson

    If I can't practice, I can't practice. It is as simple as that. It ain't about that at all. It's easy to sum it up if you're just talking about practice. We're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we're talking about practice. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice. Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game last it's my last but we're talking about practice man. How silly is that?



    Now I know that I'm supposed to lead by example and all that but I'm not shoving that aside like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I honestly do but we're talking about practice. We're talking about practice man. We're talking about practice. We're talking about practice. We're not talking about the game. We're talking about practice. When you come to the arena, and you see me play, you've seen me play right, you've seen me give everything I've got, but we're talking about practice right now.

    Reporter

    But [not going to practice is] an issue that your coach continues to raise?

    Iverson

    Hey I hear you, it's funny to me too. Hey it's strange to me too but we're talking about practice man, we're not even talking about the game, when it actually matters. We're talking about practice.

    Reporter

    Is it possible that if you practiced, not you, but you would make your teammates better?

    Iverson

    How in the hell can I make my teammates better by practicing?

    Reporter

    So they can be used to playing with you.

    Iverson

    They should be used to playing with me. Those are my teammates. So my game is going to deteriorate because I'm not practicing with my teammates? Is my game is going to get worse? I'm asking you, is my game going to get worse? So what about my game? Is my game going to get better because other players are hurt on my team, I mean, do that hurt me? Do you think that hurts me? I'm being honest, people are hurt on my team but do that hurt me? Does that hurt me when I go out there and play 48 minutes, does that hurt me as a player? Does that hurt me if this person is hurt or that person is hurt? Do it hurt me?

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    IVY IS THE FRANCHISE. I'm tired of people bashing him. You have to understand IVY is the team and all he is asking for is respect. What JackA$$ FORD did was disrespect him...FORD should get fired...IVY is the FRANCHISE and without him Sixers would never have made the finals..he truly is one of the greatest players in the game.

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    IVY IS THE FRANCHISE. I'm tired of people bashing him. You have to understand IVY is the team and all he is asking for is respect. What JackA$$ FORD did was disrespect him...FORD should get fired...IVY is the FRANCHISE and without him Sixers would never have made the finals..he truly is one of the greatest players in the game.

    Are you serious? ed:
    Do you actually place one player above the team?
    when that player is the team, YES!!!

    Um... no. If any one player IS your team, your team has a serious problem. No one player can beat five guys night in, night out. Teams like that don't win championships, and, worse yet, they aren't very fun to watch.

    I think it's time Philly get what they can for AI and start over.

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