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    meanwhile, back on topic....

    feelings on a tinsley, foster, aj trade for bibby?

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    foretaz, that last exchange with Anthem was ridiculous. Just ridiculous. Other people, if I'm crazy, let me know, but this is not the first time I've seen this.

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    I'm not sure I want to respond anymore, for fear of a word-for-word breakdown.

    Erghh, Bibby is good, but if we trade Tinsley I want to get a good defender back.
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    Yummm... I just had the best tasting pizza from Sams Club.

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    But yeah, It'd be nice to get Bibby, but it's not realalistic. (sp?)

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    Erghh,
    This tells me you are already prejudiced on the topic.

    Bibby is good
    That's your opinion and really... how do we define 'good'. Good compared to the all time best? Good compared to his teammates? Good compared to others currently in the league. What keeps him from being great? And how great could he be? Saying he's 'good' tells us nothing.

    ...Next...

    , but
    There's always a 'but'.


    if
    'If' implies indecision to me. I could be wrong but that is how I read it.

    we
    Us, on the message board... or do you have a mouse in your pocket?

    trade Tinsley
    Are you saying that 'we' the forum could somehow trade Tinsley or cause it to happen? We have no power to do that nor could we stop if from happening if management deems it necessary. Do you mean 'them'? I might agree with that possibility.

    I want
    But this isn't about you!

    to get a good
    Again... how do we define 'good'? Everything above I said would still apply.

    defender back.
    Would we lose a defender? What makes us so special to think we could get another one back? And what about offense...shouldn't the team be worried about offense?

    I can't agree with or even comprehend any of this. Not until you make up your mind and speak to the point!




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    I'm not sure I want to respond anymore, for fear of a word-for-word breakdown.

    Erghh, Bibby is good, but if we trade Tinsley I want to get a good defender back.
    neither tinsley or bibby would be considered good defenders...at least i dont think they would be....

    it seems bibby might be considered an upgrade over tinsley however....thats why i was really bringing this up...he makes about twice what tins does....i have doubts the package i mentiooned would even get bibby....

    its been talked about upgrading the pg slot...outside of this , im not sure how u do it....as ive said before ive always been in favor of trying to improve the backup slot...it seems that might be a bit easier....

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    This tells me you are already prejudiced on the topic.



    That's your opinion and really... how do we define 'good'. Good compared to the all time best? Good compared to his teammates? Good compared to others currently in the league. What keeps him from being great? And how great could he be? Saying he's 'good' tells us nothing.

    ...Next...



    There's always a 'but'.




    'If' implies indecision to me. I could be wrong but that is how I read it.



    Us, on the message board... or do you have a mouse in your pocket?



    Are you saying that 'we' the forum could somehow trade Tinsley or cause it to happen? We have no power to do that nor could we stop if from happening if management deems it necessary. Do you mean 'them'? I might agree with that possibility.



    But this isn't about you!



    Again... how do we define 'good'? Everything above I said would still apply.



    Would we lose a defender? What makes us so special to think we could get another one back? And what about offense...shouldn't the team be worried about offense?

    I can't agree with or even comprehend any of this. Not until you make up your mind and speak to the point!




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    bball, why don't you post more. You'd win the most humorous poster award hands down if you did.

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    bball, why don't you post more. You'd win the most humorous poster award hands down if you did.
    I agree with Kstat...

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    This tells me you are already prejudiced on the topic.



    That's your opinion and really... how do we define 'good'. Good compared to the all time best? Good compared to his teammates? Good compared to others currently in the league. What keeps him from being great? And how great could he be? Saying he's 'good' tells us nothing.

    ...Next...



    There's always a 'but'.




    'If' implies indecision to me. I could be wrong but that is how I read it.



    Us, on the message board... or do you have a mouse in your pocket?



    Are you saying that 'we' the forum could somehow trade Tinsley or cause it to happen? We have no power to do that nor could we stop if from happening if management deems it necessary. Do you mean 'them'? I might agree with that possibility.



    But this isn't about you!



    Again... how do we define 'good'? Everything above I said would still apply.



    Would we lose a defender? What makes us so special to think we could get another one back? And what about offense...shouldn't the team be worried about offense?

    I can't agree with or even comprehend any of this. Not until you make up your mind and speak to the point!




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    neither tinsley or bibby would be considered good defenders...at least i dont think they would be....

    it seems bibby might be considered an upgrade over tinsley however....thats why i was really bringing this up...he makes about twice what tins does....i have doubts the package i mentiooned would even get bibby....

    its been talked about upgrading the pg slot...outside of this , im not sure how u do it....as ive said before ive always been in favor of trying to improve the backup slot...it seems that might be a bit easier....
    I agree, Tinsley isn't a very good defender. That's why if we are trading him I'd rather we get someone who is.
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    bball, why don't you post more. You'd win the most humorous poster award hands down if you did.
    kinda what i was thinking....he said something about most argumentative....but seems most humorous would be more desirable...

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    isn't bball the one that used to have public arguments with himself, ie pessimist/optimist? IIRC, those were pure gold.

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    On topic.

    Bibby & Tinsely are totally differant types of p.g.'s and if I thought Jamaal would be able to play 90% of the games next season, including the playoffs, then my preferance would be towards Jamaal. I just like my P.G.'s to be able to point.

    However since I know Jamaal will have some form of crud, injury, toothache, etc. I've convinced myself that I'm ready to move on.

    Mike Bibby would be a great p.g. to replace him with.

    He has ice water in his veins & IMO his defense is on par with Jamaal's & since he doesn't gamble as much he doesn't get burned as much.

    I would have no problem at all with a lineup of

    pg Bibby
    sg Jax
    sf Gran...er.. Artest
    pf O'Neal
    C Davis


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    isn't bball the one that used to have public arguments with himself, ie pessimist/optimist? IIRC, those were pure gold.
    Yes... And I have been thinking about doing a new one. I was working on some material for it in my head the other day.

    Mr Optimist and Mr Pessimist are going to discuss the Pacers chanses of winning the championship this year.

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    On topic.

    Bibby & Tinsely are totally differant types of p.g.'s and if I thought Jamaal would be able to play 90% of the games next season, including the playoffs, then my preferance would be towards Jamaal. I just like my P.G.'s to be able to point.

    However since I know Jamaal will have some form of crud, injury, toothache, etc. I've convinced myself that I'm ready to move on.

    Mike Bibby would be a great p.g. to replace him with.

    He has ice water in his veins & IMO his defense is on par with Jamaal's & since he doesn't gamble as much he doesn't get burned as much.

    I would have no problem at all with a lineup of

    pg Bibby
    sg Jax
    sf Gran...er.. Artest
    pf O'Neal
    C Davis
    and what would u give up to get him?
    and remember sacramento values him quite highly, justifiably so...

    they have miller and peja, and just traded for bonzi....they dont need any two guards....theyre set there...theyd really like big guys with toughness and rebounding...they just traded bobby jackson so they have no real backup pg either....

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    Yes... And I have been thinking about doing a new one. I was working on some material for it in my head the other day.

    Mr Optimist and Mr Pessimist are going to discuss the Pacers chanses of winning the championship this year.

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    Nah, you need to do something much more entertaining, like the Brad Miller trade

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    I'd like to see both.

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    Let me weigh in on Bibby. My opinion of Bibby has changed so many times over the years I'm a little embarrassed.

    The best thing about him is he's very clutch. He was the guy taking all the big shots for the Kings over the years. Not Webber, not Peja. He is great at running pick and rolls, as good as anyone in the NBA. No question. He is an excellent ballhandler and a low turnover guy.

    He doen't have the blowbyability of a lot of point guards, in fact he is very much like Tinsley in this regard. His great ballhandling allows him to get by people, not great quickness.

    Yes You know I'm getting to it. His defense, oh his defense. There is a reason why the Kings need Bobby Jackson and really suffer when he's injured. Bibby's defense is very poor. But then so is Nash and Tinsley for that matter. (although in his defense he's never played for a coach who has really emphasized defense, so maybe he could be better)

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    I'm with the ol uncle on this one.

    I wonder how the Kings will do now that Bobby J is gone.

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    When I look at Mike Bibby, I see a really insane contract.
    Let me expand on that.

    Bibby's a marginally better player, and yet he's paid two and a half times more.

    Mike Bibby: $11,500,000, $12,500,000, $13,500,000, $14,500,000

    That's some contract nastiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthem
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    Let me expand on that.

    Bibby's a marginally better player, and yet he's paid two and a half times more.

    Mike Bibby: $11,500,000, $12,500,000, $13,500,000, $14,500,000

    That's some contract nastiness.

    Too bad you left out the most important statistic of all when talking about Tinsley, and that's games played.

    Bibby, 2004-2005 games played: 80

    Tinsley, 2004-2005 games played: 40

    Bibby makes twice as much as Tinsley, and he played twice as many games. I'd have no trouble trading for him.

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    Bibby is NOT a marginally better player than Tinsley. Neither are much defensively so I won't mention that. But Bibby is better at running a team than Tinsley, which is impressive since Bibby is somewhat of a shoot-first PG. And of couse you know Bibby is an infinitely better shooter, more of a leader, doesn't get rattled by end-game pressure, and won't turn a game into a one-on-one duel vs. Ben Wallace which Tinsley does and invariably loses.

    With Tinsley and the Pacers offensive players and philosophy, they will be subject to long offensive droughts. With Bibby that doesn't happen.

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