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It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

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  • #16
    Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

    Oh...forgot about Campbell being retired but I figure my point is still made on Maxiel.

    Sheed and Billups will be the big guns, while I think Rip will dip around 15-18 PPG, and Prince, and Ben will be the wild cards every game. McDyess should work out great off the bench as they got Eddie Griffin to make a solid contribution last year.
    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

    ----------------- Reggie Miller

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    • #17
      Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

      Originally posted by skyfire
      Sheed seemed score effortlessly on the low block in the finals, especially early in the games, dropping lots of turnarounds over Duncan/Mohammed. The Pistons never seemed to go to him much later on tho...

      Sheed is only 230 lbs. He's not a very powerful player. He can only get beat up on that low block so many times before he has to float out. He has the moves to be on the low block, but not the body.

      In the high post, I think he can use that turnaround just as effectively, without the wear and tear.

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      • #18
        Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

        Originally posted by PacerFanInAZ
        Oh...forgot about Campbell being retired but I figure my point is still made on Maxiel.

        Sheed and Billups will be the big guns, while I think Rip will dip around 15-18 PPG, and Prince, and Ben will be the wild cards every game. McDyess should work out great off the bench as they got Eddie Griffin to make a solid contribution last year.
        Well, as I said, they're thinking of making Maxiell into a huge SF instead of a smaller SF, so he could get time. Too early to tell, ut the kid IS a legit shot blocker and low-post scorer. He just needs to find a place to play.

        I'm also holding out hope on Darko, but whatever minutes-production he might get is complete guesswork. I do know that this is the best opportunity he will ever get as a professional.

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        • #19
          Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

          tell u what....we will give u a one time shot at this....

          we will trade u scot pollard for darko....

          among other benefits, u dont have to worry bout scot possibly kickin ben's fanny....

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          • #20
            Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

            I read your entire post Kstat. And the funny thing was as I started reading it, I was thinking that Rip won't be the focus of the offense like he had been, and then I read that you agree.

            I've heard that Flip has the thickest playbook in the NBA. One other thing to look for: Generally the T-Wolves were never very successful in the month of November, it took them a month or so to get it together, but usually by December they were on a roll. Yes they will run a high post offense, but that might not be a good thing. The T-Wolves were always one of the worst teams in the NBA in FT attempts, something Brown always gets his teams to do. Really in a lot of ways the Pistons will look more like the team they were under Carlisle,

            http://www.detnews.com/2005/pistons/...A01-255120.htm

            It's official: Pistons pick Flip

            Team gets third coach in 4 years; deal gives Saunders 4-year contract at $4 million-$5 million a season.

            By Joanne C. Gerstner and Terry Foster / The Detroit News


            LM Otero / Associated Press

            Flip Saunders turned down a job offer and took his name out of the running for openings while seemingly waiting for this job.




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            AUBURN HILLS -- For the third time in four years, the Pistons will be introducing a new coach.

            Less than one day after firing Larry Brown, who led the team to the 2004 NBA title, the Pistons will name former Minnesota Timberwolves coach Flip Saunders as their new coach during a noon press conference at The Palace today.

            Pistons President Joe Dumars said he began negotiations around 10:30 a.m. Wednesday, and the deal was hammered out six hours later. Dumars said Saunders was the Pistons' only choice to replace Brown.

            Saunders, 50, will sign a four-year contract worth between $4 million and $5 million per season.

            "He's proven in this league, and he's been in big games as a guy who has won 50-plus games for years," Dumars said on WDFN"s "Stoney and Wojo Show". "I like the fact that he's called those timeouts before, he's been in huge games. And he's been in the spotlight before because he had a premier marquee player (Kevin Garnett).

            "I think he's in a position where he would feel like he has something to prove."

            Saunders turned down a job offer from the Bucks, and also took his name out of the running for other openings while seemingly waiting for the Pistons job to open.

            Saunders was fired as the Timberwolves coach in February after a 25-26 start.

            He was 411-326 in 9 1/2 seasons. Saunders helped his team advance to the 2004 Western Conference after seven straight first-round playoff exits.

            Neither Saunders nor his agent, Mark Termini, returned calls Wednesday.

            Tim Legler, an NBA analyst for ESPN and a former NBA player, said Saunders could help the Pistons.

            "You pay a price mentally playing for Larry Brown, everybody knows that, and they've been through all the games, all the sniping and those veiled jabs that he takes at them in the press," Legler said. "He took them as far as he could, in this case, to the championship. Flip is going to be a refreshing change for them, he's up front and doesn?t play games. I've never heard of any grumbling about him, he's just consistently won over the years.

            "Flip is the best coach available out there, a great guy, and I think he's going to make the Pistons better."

            Coaching the Pistons, however, will not be an easy task for Saunders, who will have more than a few issues to deal with:

            • Winning.

            The Pistons won the 2004 title and returned to the Finals to defend their title last season, losing in seven games to the Spurs.

            Saunders doesn't have a successful playoff record, evidenced by a 17-30 mark with the Timberwolves.

            Dumars believes he will be up to the task.

            "To step into this spot right now, there is going to be some heat. There is going to be some pressure to win," Dumars said. "The flip side is, to all the guys who called -- and we had a lot of guys call about this job -- is they all know they're going to be handed a hell of a team."

            "Any coach worth his salt will take a look at that and say, 'I'll take my chances with that'"

            • Player relationships.

            Saunders is known to be personable, calm guy and works well with players.

            He will need to quickly mesh with a veteran team, one that has grown very ccustomed to running things Brown's way. Saunders also will have younger players to groom: forward Carlos Delfino, guard Carlos Arroyo, and the team's 2003 No. 2 draft pick, center Darko Milicic.

            "I think the happiest person about this decision could be Darko," Legler said, laughing. "He's possibly getting a new lease on life."

            • Earning respect.

            Saunders is easygoing, but don't mistake that for softness.

            Every coach has his own method. Brown liked to be on his players hard, noted for his year-long penchant for draining practices and that infamous withering glare. Saunders isn't as high-strung as Brown, but Timberwolves guard Sam Cassell said Saunders commanded respect.

            "If I do something wrong that he doesn't like, he'll approach me and get it straight," Cassell told USA TODAY in 2004. "He's not a yeller, but he gets at the cause of problems and fixes them. If you are doing something right, he's going to tell you, and if you're doing something wrong, he's going to tell you."

            Saunders likely will open up the Pistons offense a bit, something that could please Chauncey Billups, Tayshaun Prince and Rip Hamilton.

            Saunders is more in favor of an active style, bringing in more movement and three pointers into the offense schemes.

            It also could help that Billups played for Saunders for two years, so he will have an inkling as to what his new coach will want.

            Legler envisions more productivity from the Pistons

            "The Pistons always had great defense, but there were times where this team really had some stagnant periods," Legler said. "They couldn't break a game open at times, only able to get up like six points. I really like Flip and what he does on offense, I think he's one of the most innovative coaches in that respect.

            "He does some great things on the weak side, his offenses are very active and there is a lot of opportunity. The ball really moves around. They're never standing still. I think they're going to like it."

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            • #21
              Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

              When I saw the title of the thread my first thought was "I don't give a flip about who is coaching Detroit."

              I'm so friggin' sick of hearing about Larry Brown I can't see straight! Now for the rest of time every time there's a coaching vacancy he's all we're ever going to hear about. Just like when Mike Fratello was doing TV.

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              • #22
                Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

                I'm pretty sure that the Pistons could hire Hitler as coach and Saddam as asst. and Kstat would find some way to come on here and say why he thinks it's a perfect fit.

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                • #23
                  Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

                  Originally posted by travmil
                  I'm pretty sure that the Pistons could hire Hitler as coach and Saddam as asst. and Kstat would find some way to come on here and say why he thinks it's a perfect fit.

                  I'm always in favor of implimenting team 'stashes. I can only imagine what Benny would look like with a handlebar to go along with that fro.
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                  • #24
                    Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

                    Originally posted by travmil
                    I'm pretty sure that the Pistons could hire Hitler as coach and Saddam as asst. and Kstat would find some way to come on here and say why he thinks it's a perfect fit.
                    Well now that you say it,

                    Hitler's offensive strategies were always somewhat of a blitzkrieg.

                    And Saddam manage to stay free for quite sometime even under heavy pressure.

                    Perhaps it would be a perfect blend of offense and defense.
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                    • #25
                      Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

                      Originally posted by Diamond Dave
                      Well now that you say it,

                      Hitler's offensive strategies were always somewhat of a blitzkrieg.

                      And Saddam manage to stay free for quite sometime even under heavy pressure.

                      Perhaps it would be a perfect blend of offense and defense.

                      I'm not sure if I'm ready to hear about another Battle of the Bulge breaking out in the Detroit lockerroom.
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                      • #26
                        Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

                        they already have hitler and hussein in the organization....

                        bill 'hitler' davidson and tom 'hussein' wilson....the similarities are striking....

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                        • #27
                          Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

                          Originally posted by Diamond Dave
                          Well now that you say it,

                          Hitler's offensive strategies were always somewhat of a blitzkrieg.

                          And Saddam manage to stay free for quite sometime even under heavy pressure.

                          Perhaps it would be a perfect blend of offense and defense.
                          [Kstat]Saddam would be better coaching the Pacers. He's knows all about black holes from living in one.[/Kstat]

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                          • #28
                            Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

                            Originally posted by Bball
                            How about a combo of Laimbeer and Isiah? Co- head coaches. Or one could be the associate head coach.

                            I like it!

                            -Bball

                            I'm confused: Do you mean this would be better in the sense that it would make the Pistons worse and therefore make us more powerful in the East?

                            If so, I agree. Isiah could switch the lineup every night, start some people some nights then not others. Then he could bury people on the bench and if he were really lucky perhaps he could find a way to get Jalen Rose on the team, become best friends with him and totally ignore Hamilton and the Wallace brothers.

                            However, I think Isiah is doing such a good job with the Knicks that it would be ashamed to not see him finish what he started (I'm still trying to figure out what that is).

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                            • #29
                              Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

                              Originally posted by skyfire
                              Sheed seemed score effortlessly on the low block in the finals, especially early in the games, dropping lots of turnarounds over Duncan/Mohammed. The Pistons never seemed to go to him much later on tho...

                              Sheed scores when he wants to; in other words, I feel like he settles for being a second and third (sometimes 4th) scoring option a lot. If Rasheed always played like he had a guarantee to make good on it would be dangerous for a lot of teams. He seems to pick and choose when to be a leader.

                              On the other hand, if there's any team in the NBA that allows for that kind of attitude it would be the Pistons (just given the roster).

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                              • #30
                                Re: It's official: Flip Saunders is the new coach of the Pistons

                                Originally posted by foretaz
                                they already have hitler and hussein in the organization....

                                bill 'hitler' davidson and tom 'hussein' wilson....the similarities are striking....
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