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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • #16
    Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

    anyway...back to the thread...

    yes the pistons have lacked a great deal of class in recent years...and as already pointed out, its starts at the top....

    and its no wonder its spilled over into the players and the fans....

    and its quite funny that larry brown appears to have played them....them and their egos to work against them and ultimately get things the way he wants them....not that hes a saint in all this...but he might come out looking close to one....which is hilarious....

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    • #17
      Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

      Originally posted by foretaz


      and its quite funny that larry brown appears to have played them....them and their egos to work against them and ultimately get things the way he wants them....not that hes a saint in all this...but he might come out looking close to one....which is hilarious....
      Yep, we may actually get "played" into taking back the same coach that got us to back-to-back finals appearances. Yep, what idiots.

      yes the pistons have lacked a great deal of class in recent years...and as already pointed out, its starts at the top....

      and its no wonder its spilled over into the players and the fans....
      Kinda like how Ron's tendency to act without thinking has spilled over to you?

      Sorry everyone, but you know how I love to react to every "remotely" negative comment said about my Pistons.....

      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

      Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
      Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
      NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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      • #18
        Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

        Originally posted by Kstat
        Yep, we may actually get "played" into taking back the same coach that got us to back-to-back finals appearances. Yep, what idiots.
        so u still think hes gonna be back next year, huh? somehow i dont think so...only way that appears to happen is if they have no way of keeping him from going to the knicks....which is quite possible...in which case i think he just might continue to play the health card....but we will see...as ive said...its hilarious either way...as someone pointed out, the two sides deserve one another....

        as for who is responsible for getting them to the finals, it would appear that that guy is now indiana....and i believe larry even pointed that out after winning the championship last year...or something similar anyway...

        and whats with this 'we' ****???? do u play for the pistons???? are u apart of the brass? this thread was discussing the pistons management and ownership and u somehow get ur a part of that????? only furthers my comments about u taking everything personally.....believe it or not, every comment directed at the pistons is not directed at u....when will u realize this????




        Kinda like how Ron's tendency to act without thinking has spilled over to you?

        Sorry everyone, but you know how I love to react you every "remotely" negative comment said about my Pistons.....

        you just had to do it...didnt u...had to make it personal...again...i take the thread back on topic and u immediately throw it back in the gutter by directing personal shots at me....you know...maybe u could do us all a favor...if u want to respond to me specifically with personal attack type comments....do it in a pm....ur making it very difficult to keep a train of thought on here....

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        • #19
          Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

          you just had to do it...didnt u...had to make it personal...again...i take the thread back on topic and u immediately throw it back in the gutter by directing personal shots at me....
          and its no wonder its spilled over into the players and the fans....
          I'm a fan. When you make that comment, you include me. So don't accuse me of suddenly getting personal when you started this.

          I'm going to put my foot down when you make comments like that, so either be prepared to deal with the consequences, or don't make them. I'm actually going to start giving you a taste of your own medicine, since it's apparrent that this is just going to keep going for the entire year, if I continue to just play along and allow you to say the things that you do.

          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

          Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
          Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
          NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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          • #20
            Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

            Originally posted by Kstat
            I'm a fan. When you make that comment, you include me. So don't accuse me of suddenly getting personal when you started this.

            and im the one that has the english language problem????

            wow...

            did i say u????

            nope...

            did u say you? yep...

            now who made it personal???

            and unless u were one of the classless fans throwing all the garbage at the palace, it wasnt directed at u...nor, as i said, did i address u with the comment...i didnt say anything about all fans or every fan...i said it had spilled over into the players and the fans....simple english would indicate that that doesnt mean every single fan...but yet...im the one with the english problem....sigh

            but as is usual....u take personally anything that is said about anything remotely regarding the pistons or otherwise...

            so i will say it for the 400th time....when will u stop taking everything so personally...do u have some sort of martyr complex????

            you know...u seem to have a problem with everything i say....so why not just put me on ignore????? if u hate seeing negative things about the pistons and u insist on being on a pacers forum....then make it easy on urself....if im a source of agitation....fix it....try ignore...it might be a wonderful thing for u

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            • #21
              Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

              and unless u were one of the classless fans throwing all the garbage at the palace, it wasnt directed at u...nor, as i said, did i address u with the comment...i didnt say anything about all fans or every fan...i said it had spilled over into the players and the fans....simple english would indicate that that doesnt mean every single fan...but yet...im the one with the english problem....sigh
              Then specify. Don't generalize by throwing every pistons fan in together. It's up to you to be specific when making a comment like that.

              If I made a comment that Pacer fans love throwing racial slurs, you'd take offense and you know it. Maybe I was referring to the few guy that Allen Iverson was talking about, but then again, maybe I wasn't. It's my responsibility to avoid offending innocent people.

              you know...u seem to have a problem with everything i say....so why not just put me on ignore????? if u hate seeing negative things about the pistons and u insist on being on a pacers forum....then make it easy on urself....if im a source of agitation....fix it....try ignore...it might be a wonderful thing for u
              Yes, because out of the 794167192 Pacers fans here, you're the only one that says anything negative about the Pistons. If you haven't noticed, I dont take exception like this with anyone else on here except you. The other guys at least act with a sense of courtesy when they tell me Ben wallace is an evil ******. You just seem to go looking for a fight.

              It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

              Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
              Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
              NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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              • #22
                Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

                Originally posted by Kstat
                I'm going to put my foot down when you make comments like that, so either be prepared to deal with the consequences, or don't make them. I'm actually going to start giving you a taste of your own medicine, since it's apparrent that this is just going to keep going for the entire year, if I continue to just play along and allow you to say the things that you do.
                lol...oh really???

                let me explain a few things that should be obvious...

                u cant give me a taste of my own medicine....im not on a pistons forum....

                im not in a thread on a pistons forum that specifically is discussing the lack of class that the pacers organization has....

                that would be the only way u could give me a taste of my own medicine...

                and that wont happen....because i dont go looking for trouble by spending all my time on a rivals board...capiche'

                as far as u putting ur foot down....i got an idea what u can do with ur foot...u seem to think ur a smart guy....see if u can figure it out...

                as far as dealing with the consequences....well...guess ill just have to take my chances....maybe with the good lords help, ill find a way to make it through...

                as far as going on all year...well....like i said...ur on a pacers forum...a major rival of ur favorite team....so im guess there might be some comments made that wont sit well with u....

                so if anyone needs to decide whether they can handle something...it appears that would be u...if u cant handle it without constantly feeling compelled to make personal attacks back...well then u might want to reassess a few things....

                your insistence on hijacking this thread is remarkable....read the thread...from the beginning....then think about it...then think about it again...

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                • #23
                  Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

                  Originally posted by Kstat
                  Then specify. Don't generalize by throwing every pistons fan in together. It's up to you to be specific when making a comment like that.

                  If I made a comment that Pacer fans love throwing racial slurs, you'd take offense and you know it. Maybe I was referring to the few guy that Allen Iverson was talking about, but then again, maybe I wasn't. It's my responsibility to avoid offending innocent people.
                  its not my fault u cant read....



                  Yes, because out of the 794167192 Pacers fans here, you're the only one that says anything negative about the Pistons. If you haven't noticed, I dont take exception like this with anyone else on here except you. The other guys at least act with a sense of courtesy when they tell me Ben wallace is an evil ******.
                  u seriously need to check urself....if u think im the only one who has anything negative to say about the pistons...u should start by rereading this thread....just for starters....but thats really not even the point....

                  the fact that u have the audacity to imply that i have no right to say anything negative about the pistons without be subjected to ur personal attacks....well...u better just step back and take a good look at a number of things....

                  most noteably where u are.....uve got some nerve to almost threaten a pacers fan on a pacers board about making negative comments about the pistons....

                  as ive said....u must be tom wilsons son....as ive said before hes nothing but an arrogant, pompous a$$hole....and when u say things like that, the two of u seem to have a lot in common....

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                  • #24
                    Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

                    Originally posted by foretaz
                    its not my fault u cant read....



                    u seriously need to check urself....if u think im the only one who has anything negative to say about the pistons...u should start by rereading this thread....just for starters....but thats really not even the point....

                    the fact that u have the audacity to imply that i have no right to say anything negative about the pistons without be subjected to ur personal attacks....well...u better just step back and take a good look at a number of things....

                    most noteably where u are.....uve got some nerve to almost threaten a pacers fan on a pacers board about making negative comments about the pistons....

                    *watches the intended sarcasm fly waaaaaaaay about Foretaz's head*

                    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                    Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                    Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                    NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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                    • #25
                      Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

                      Originally posted by Hicks
                      Thank you, you two, for hijacking your 12th thread as a couple.
                      I love it! Seriously - I love these 2 when they're going at it!

                      Keep it going guys - lemme get a drink and settle in for the night

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                      • #26
                        Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

                        :cranialexplosion:
                        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                        • #27
                          Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

                          and just so we are abundantly clear....

                          you dont 'allow' me to say anything....

                          capiche'?

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                          • #28
                            Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

                            I'm allowing you to keep a shred of dignity. Be thankful for that.

                            It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                            Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                            Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                            NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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                            • #29
                              Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

                              This thread is funny. But I see boobs every time foretaz posts, so keep it up.

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                              • #30
                                Re: I'm sure you guys will be interested in this.

                                Originally posted by Kstat
                                I'm allowing you to keep a shred of dignity. Be thankful for that.
                                now this truly makes me laugh....

                                theres a part of me that feels i should have pity for u....but then the other side of me feels u deserve everything u get....

                                not sure if its young and naive....or young and stupid...

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