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  • #16
    Re: Reggie on ESPN Radio

    Going to therapy isn't a big deal. I would be more embarassed about charging into the stands.
    "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

    "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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    • #17
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      Originally posted by Los Angeles

      The fact that Ron is afraid of what people might think if they knew he went to therapy is just one more reason to suspect that he still hasn't "gotten it".
      I disagree. I think that is part of his personal life, and I think others should respect his decision to keep that private.

      I also think that it is pretty natural to be ashamed of needing counseling, I don't think it makes him any different than everybody else in that aspect.
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      • #18
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        Originally posted by foretaz
        ummm....the misguided stereotypes that many in society put on those that go to therapy is real...

        from a marketing standpoint, having this out there does noone any good....

        but most importantly, its a very private manner....its noones business....

        no matter what sort of public figure you are, it should be off limits.....its very private and very personal.....i love reggie, but thats a major no no.....reggies a class guy, and im sure he meant no harm....i didnt hear the interview, but ive listened to many of the patrick show interviews....hes just talking and saying whatever in a very relaxed manner....but he shouldnt have said it....

        and reggie being the class guy, i hope he calls ron and apologizes....because it was wrong...

        and just for the record....reggie said that might be the reason why ron would deny it....ron hasnt said anything about it.....so to say that ron hasnt gotten it.....is a bit of a stretch, not to mention inaccurate....
        I'll give you all that and I stand corrected.
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        • #19
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          Originally posted by SoupIsGood
          I disagree. I think that is part of his personal life, and I think others should respect his decision to keep that private.

          I also think that it is pretty natural to be ashamed of needing counseling, I don't think it makes him any different than everybody else in that aspect.

          It was private info (The P's mgmnt and his Dr's legally couldn't answer the question...HIPA(sp) laws). Reggie outing him was wrong. Ron telling an obvious lie was ill-advised. A simple "Next question" is all that is needed.

          It was tabloid journalism.
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          • #20
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            I actually think that Ron's rehabilitation or changing, if you will, will be taken more serious now that Reggie has said this,I think he said it to defend Ron, not to start something.
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            • #21
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              Not to turn this into another pro-Artest vs. Anti-Artest thread, but the one man who should "hate" Ron more than anyone (Reggie, who many people said lost a shot at the ring because of the brawl) is STILL in Ron's corner. Kinda tells 'ya something, don't it?

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              • #22
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                As someone has speculated previously, I think the reason that Ron is stating that he didn't go into therapy is to avoid any of the legal issues that might be associated with this. He is sticking with the 'personal improvement' line, which could be taken to mean a lot of different things including therapy, but wont exacerbate any of the legal proceedings, criminal or civil, that are still taking place.

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                • #23
                  Re: Reggie on ESPN Radio

                  Originally posted by skyfire
                  As someone has speculated previously, I think the reason that Ron is stating that he didn't go into therapy is to avoid any of the legal issues that might be associated with this. He is sticking with the 'personal improvement' line, which could be taken to mean a lot of different things including therapy, but wont exacerbate any of the legal proceedings, criminal or civil, that are still taking place.
                  He's not Kenny Rodgers where there is something to lose. The legality of
                  it shouldn't matter in the context of therapy and saying you had it.
                  I am sure he wants to keep it private for image reasons. Saying your from the
                  ghetto and then saying i am going to therapy doesn't mix well. HOw many
                  hard nose ghetto folk you know got them some nice therapy. I mean
                  come on...Thats not going to sell records.

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                  • #24
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                    Originally posted by Fool
                    1) Do they have Reggie on contract or something? He's on like weekly.

                    2)Grace must be sick or something today. Hope you feel better Grace.
                    I'll only listen to The Dan Patrick Show if Dan isn't there. Yes, I'd like to listen to Reggie, but as I've said before every time Reggie is on there he gets stupider by the minute.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Reggie on ESPN Radio

                      Originally posted by foretaz
                      ummm....the misguided stereotypes that many in society put on those that go to therapy is real...

                      from a marketing standpoint, having this out there does noone any good....

                      but most importantly, its a very private manner....its noones business....
                      Ummmm from my point of view ADMITTING he's been to therapy would be a GOOD marketing move. As LA was getting at, it helps to show he knows he was in the wrong.

                      But I just had to highlight this:
                      .the misguided stereotypes that many in society put on those that go to therapy is real...

                      The man charged into the stands, has been looked at as something between a loose cannon and medically 'not quite right in the head' almost his whole NBA career, a technical foul magent, won a TKO over a Hidef camera, has been suspended numerous times including a season long suspension.... And you think Artest would have a marketing problem (and/or a problem with stereotyping) if he admitted to taking therapy?

                      And I dispute the 'fact' that people in therapy are all that looked down upon anyway.

                      The first step is admitting you have a problem and I personally would respect Artest MORE if he fessed up to the therapy sessions. Pretending he never had them simply worries me in that he hasn't fully taken responsibility for his actions.... IOW, he hasn't 'gotten it'.

                      And that said, I doubt therapy is a magic bullet or the be all-end all 'fix' to his problem (per se')... but it would show he is trying...

                      Not admitting to it makes me question whether it truly has gotten thru to him.

                      -Bball
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                      • #26
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                        Originally posted by Bball
                        Ummmm from my point of view ADMITTING he's been to therapy would be a GOOD marketing move. As LA was getting at, it helps to show he knows he was in the wrong.

                        But I just had to highlight this:
                        .the misguided stereotypes that many in society put on those that go to therapy is real...

                        The man charged into the stands, has been looked at as something between a loose cannon and medically 'not quite right in the head' almost his whole NBA career, a technical foul magent, won a TKO over a Hidef camera, has been suspended numerous times including a season long suspension.... And you think Artest would have a marketing problem (and/or a problem with stereotyping) if he admitted to taking therapy?

                        And I dispute the 'fact' that people in therapy are all that looked down upon anyway.

                        The first step is admitting you have a problem and I personally would respect Artest MORE if he fessed up to the therapy sessions. Pretending he never had them simply worries me in that he hasn't fully taken responsibility for his actions.... IOW, he hasn't 'gotten it'.

                        And that said, I doubt therapy is a magic bullet or the be all-end all 'fix' to his problem (per se')... but it would show he is trying...

                        Not admitting to it makes me question whether it truly has gotten thru to him.

                        -Bball
                        this post makes it quite apparent who doesnt get it....

                        satisfying u that he gets it isnt part of the program....noone cares whether u think he gets it....ur a fan who, by his comments makes it quite apparent that you will always be prejudiced against him....so for those people noone really cares enuff to do things just to pacify you...

                        the only way things will ever change in the way that he is perceived is by behavior that shows that things have changed....not unlike the season 2 years ago...

                        announcing hes gone to therapy wont change that....as u said, even then u dont think that will really help, so why in the hell should he admit something that is very, very private, that by your own admission, wont make a difference??????

                        and if u think the nba wants to add to the stigma of ron artest by having the cloud of him seeing a shrink, then ur badly mistaken....

                        they want to use what has happened as a drawing card....but they dont want to add to the circus by throwing the shrink card into the mix....the last thing they want is a debate regarding whether someone with his history that is now in therapy should be allowed on the court...that opens up a whole new can of worms, one they dont want any part of....

                        im sorry if ur personal feelings make it impossible to see the real facts and how they relate to this whole thing....while the issue is incredibly private and is noones business, especially someone like u....the marketing issues affect the nba as a whole....and if u dont see the validity of keeping that out of the headlines then im sorry, but as i alluded to earlier, its not ron that doesnt get it...

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                        • #27
                          Re: Reggie on ESPN Radio

                          Originally posted by foretaz
                          this post makes it quite apparent who doesnt get it....
                          Have you ever been wrong or even considered you might be wrong?


                          satisfying u that he gets it isnt part of the program....noone cares whether u think he gets it....ur a fan who, by his comments makes it quite apparent that you will always be prejudiced against him....
                          You see what you want to see...

                          Anyway, satisfying me alone 'isn't part of the program' but satisfying the fanbase and casual observers that 'he gets it' IS part of the issue. There's enough of a debate here to tell me he has a ways to go yet.





                          the only way things will ever change in the way that he is perceived is by behavior that shows that things have changed....not unlike the season 2 years ago...

                          BINGO! ....And a start would be admitting he's had therapy and is trying to get something from it... not hiding from it and telling us how 'hood' he is.

                          I think it is mostly your own prejudice coming to light regarding therapy. I don't think the average American is going to have the reaction to it you are.


                          announcing hes gone to therapy wont change that....as u said, even then u dont think that will really help, so why in the hell should he admit something that is very, very private, that by your own admission, wont make a difference??????

                          I didn't say it wouldn't make a difference... What I was getting at was it is an ATTEMPT at making a difference. It might work... it might not. It depends how comitted Artest is at changing. It depends on how serious he is about.

                          As for it making a difference, there are never any guarantees.

                          We're not talking about him being locked away in an asylum somewhere undergoing shock therapy. There's no good reason that someone in his position should want to run from the fact he's spent some time on a couch talking thru his issues.


                          and if u think the nba wants to add to the stigma of ron artest by having the cloud of him seeing a shrink, then ur badly mistaken....

                          What is with this 'stigma' stuff you keep attaching to therapy? Again, we're not talking a frontal labotomy here. We're not talking padded cells and straight jackets.

                          I personally believe the NBA would love for Artest to publically admit to therapy to show the world he is trying to change and doing about anything possible.

                          It seems the two people who really have a problem with therapy are you and Ron Artest.


                          they want to use what has happened as a drawing card....but they dont want to add to the circus by throwing the shrink card into the mix....the last thing they want is a debate regarding whether someone with his history that is now in therapy should be allowed on the court...that opens up a whole new can of worms, one they dont want any part of....

                          im sorry if ur personal feelings make it impossible to see the real facts and how they relate to this whole thing....while the issue is incredibly private and is noones business, especially someone like u....the marketing issues affect the nba as a whole....and if u dont see the validity of keeping that out of the headlines then im sorry, but as i alluded to earlier, its not ron that doesnt get it...

                          I agree the DETAILS are private. I don't agree that admitting to trying therapy is any kind of problem at all. It helps with perception, not hurts IMHO.

                          You talk about 'real facts' yet you've only talked about opinions and speculation. You can disagree with my opinions and speculation all you want but don't delude yourself into thinking you somehow have the only real 'answer' and 'facts'.

                          It sounds to me like you'd be well served to read some of your own words and consider how they relate to you:
                          im sorry if ur personal feelings make it impossible to see the real facts and how they relate to this whole thing

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                          • #28
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                            Originally posted by Bball
                            Have you ever been wrong or even considered you might be wrong?



                            You see what you want to see...

                            Anyway, satisfying me alone 'isn't part of the program' but satisfying the fanbase and casual observers that 'he gets it' IS part of the issue. There's enough of a debate here to tell me he has a ways to go yet.






                            BINGO! ....And a start would be admitting he's had therapy and is trying to get something from it... not hiding from it and telling us how 'hood' he is.

                            I think it is mostly your own prejudice coming to light regarding therapy. I don't think the average American is going to have the reaction to it you are.




                            I didn't say it wouldn't make a difference... What I was getting at was it is an ATTEMPT at making a difference. It might work... it might not. It depends how comitted Artest is at changing. It depends on how serious he is about.

                            As for it making a difference, there are never any guarantees.

                            We're not talking about him being locked away in an asylum somewhere undergoing shock therapy. There's no good reason that someone in his position should want to run from the fact he's spent some time on a couch talking thru his issues.




                            What is with this 'stigma' stuff you keep attaching to therapy? Again, we're not talking a frontal labotomy here. We're not talking padded cells and straight jackets.

                            I personally believe the NBA would love for Artest to publically admit to therapy to show the world he is trying to change and doing about anything possible.

                            It seems the two people who really have a problem with therapy are you and Ron Artest.




                            I agree the DETAILS are private. I don't agree that admitting to trying therapy is any kind of problem at all. It helps with perception, not hurts IMHO.

                            You talk about 'real facts' yet you've only talked about opinions and speculation. You can disagree with my opinions and speculation all you want but don't delude yourself into thinking you somehow have the only real 'answer' and 'facts'.

                            It sounds to me like you'd be well served to read some of your own words and consider how they relate to you:
                            im sorry if ur personal feelings make it impossible to see the real facts and how they relate to this whole thing

                            -Bball

                            as i said...its apparent who doesnt get it....

                            if u somehow derived that i have some sort of problem or prejudice against therapy, well...lets just say ur ignorance seems to be growing....

                            ive clearly stated on here numerous times, that not only do i believe ron is getting treatment but it is much needed.....

                            its just that its none of ur business....nor mine...

                            and uve clearly made ur prejudices known by ur comments where the subject of ron is concerned....not to mention the latest one u just made regarding the hood....

                            there is a small minorty of the fanbase that will always have a problem with ron, no matter what he does....and people like u that feel they are owed some sort of detailed explanation regarding whats going on in his personal life- only to prove that he gets it- to u....well my guess is ron, pacers management and anyone else in the know and important would have the same type of feelings-that u can go take a flying leap....

                            if u dont think he gets it....fine....noone cares about that but u....most importantly neither ron or the management do....

                            managements responsibility is to put forth a product on the floor that is worth ur entertainment dollar....any personal issues of players that spill over to the floor will need to be rectified to their satisfaction....not yours...

                            as far as the fanbase needing to know that ron gets it....nothing could be further from the truth....what the fanbase needs to know is that ron will do everything in his power to help his team compete....and that will be shown on the floor during play....and few compete harder than ron does....the fanbase doesnt need to know what ron gets and what he doesnt get, nor do they need to know what hes doing in his personal life to better prepare him for lifes trials and tribulations....or what hes doing to deal with very personal and dramatic events that have taken place in his life....

                            what the fanbase needs is to mind their own business and concern themselves with the product on the floor and not the personal lives of the players....if ur angry that the product was disrupted, thats understandable...but it, in no way, gives u any right to pry into the personal lives of the players....

                            bottom line is apologies have been offered....but there will always be those that are too bitter to accept them....and those people would do well to follow in rons footsteps and seek help....because life is too short....

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                              Re: Reggie on ESPN Radio

                              I think that it is a sad statment on society if Ron somehow feels there is any reason not to say I am going to therapy. Were I to lose millions of dollars because of my temper I would be the first to admit that my behavior or my job needs to change.

                              Furthermore as a man who makes millions of dollars because he is a public figure I would wish he had the courage to say that he is getting profesional help as a way to make therapy more acceptable for those he feels he has to hid it from.
                              "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

                              "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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                                Re: Reggie on ESPN Radio

                                Originally posted by foretaz
                                as i said...its apparent who doesnt get it....

                                if u somehow derived that i have some sort of problem or prejudice against therapy, well...lets just say ur ignorance seems to be growing....

                                ive clearly stated on here numerous times, that not only do i believe ron is getting treatment but it is much needed.....

                                its just that its none of ur business....nor mine...

                                First, I'm not into name calling just because I happen to disagree with you.

                                Secondly, I either wish Artest had admitted to the therapy head on or sidestepped it as out of bounds if he didn't want to talk about it. The denial worries me for the reasons previously stated.



                                and uve clearly made ur prejudices known by ur comments where the subject of ron is concerned....not to mention the latest one u just made regarding the hood....

                                What prejudices are you talking about?


                                there is a small minorty of the fanbase that will always have a problem with ron, no matter what he does....and people like u that feel they are owed some sort of detailed explanation regarding whats going on in his personal life- only to prove that he gets it- to u....well my guess is ron, pacers management and anyone else in the know and important would have the same type of feelings-that u can go take a flying leap....

                                if u dont think he gets it....fine....noone cares about that but u....most importantly neither ron or the management do....

                                managements responsibility is to put forth a product on the floor that is worth ur entertainment dollar....any personal issues of players that spill over to the floor will need to be rectified to their satisfaction....not yours...

                                as far as the fanbase needing to know that ron gets it....nothing could be further from the truth....what the fanbase needs to know is that ron will do everything in his power to help his team compete....and that will be shown on the floor during play....and few compete harder than ron does....the fanbase doesnt need to know what ron gets and what he doesnt get, nor do they need to know what hes doing in his personal life to better prepare him for lifes trials and tribulations....or what hes doing to deal with very personal and dramatic events that have taken place in his life....

                                what the fanbase needs is to mind their own business and concern themselves with the product on the floor and not the personal lives of the players....if ur angry that the product was disrupted, thats understandable...but it, in no way, gives u any right to pry into the personal lives of the players....

                                bottom line is apologies have been offered....but there will always be those that are too bitter to accept them....and those people would do well to follow in rons footsteps and seek help....because life is too short...
                                I'd like to agree with you.... but then we'd both be wrong.

                                -Bball
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