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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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    Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/summer_bios_2005.html

    Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios

    Artest

    Ron Artest: He made appearances in seven of the season's first nine games and led the Pacers with a career-best average of 24.6 ppg…in those seven games he scored at least 22 points six times and registered 31 points in the season-opener at Cleveland, 11/3…he shot a career-best 92.2 percent from the foul line (47-51)…including a season-best 3-4 3-pt FGS, he scored 29 points at Philadelphia, 11/12…in that game against the Sixers, he shot 10-15 (.667) from the floor overall and made 6-6 FTS…that was one of three games in which he made at least two 3--pt FG on the season…he scored the 5,000th point of his NBA career in the overtime loss at Philadelphia, 11/12…he had a season-high nine boards in the opener at Cleveland…he also had at least one steal in each of his seven outings and averaged 1.71 spg…he had a season-best four thefts in the Pacers' win vs. Atlanta, 11/17…he had at least two assists in each of his seven games and averaged 3.1 apg…for his involvement in an incident at the end of the game at Detroit, 11/19, he was suspended for the remainder of the season.



    Bender

    Jonathan Bender: A persistent sore right knee limited him to just seven games and forced him to two extensive stays on the injured list…he scored a season-high 11 points in the season-opener at Cleveland, 11/3…he would play in just one of the next eight games and was placed on the injured list for the first time, 11/20…in his only appearance of that eight-game span, he scored five points and snared a season-best four rebounds vs. Atlanta, 11/17…he was activated from the injured list prior to the game vs. Orlando, 1/15, and scored eight points on 4-8 FGS against the Magic…he had his only steal of the season against the Magic…that was the first of five appearances in a 10-game span that extended until 2/4…he had at least four points in four of those five games and three of his four assists on the season came in that five-game span…he was placed back on the injured list, 2/4, where he remained for the rest of the season.

    Nick Billings: He was considered a possible NBA draft prospect after a junior season that saw him average 12.3 ppg, 6.6 rpg and 3.5 bpg…he was named to the all-America East second team in 2003-04…the team's leading rebounder, he averaged 7.1 rpg in America East Conference games…he also blocked 99 shots and was third on the team with 22 steals in 28 games--all as a starter…however, he averaged just 4.9 ppg and 3.8 rpg as a senior in 2004-05…as a senior, he led the team with 34 blocked shots and left school ranked second in America East history with 336 rejections…he led the Bearcats in rebounding five times, including two games with 10 boards…through his junior season, he ranked 10th on the NCAA's Division I all-time career blocks per game list with an average of 3.87 bpg…he was named the 2003 America East Defensive Player of the Year after blocking 117 shots as a sophomore…he ranked second in the nation in blocked shots behind Connecticut's Emeka Okafor.



    Carter

    Maurice Carter: After being selected in the 2004 expansion draft by the Charlotte Bobcats and subsequently being waived in training camp, he signed with Lottomatica Roma in Italy, where in 24 games, he averaged 13.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg and 1.5 spg…after being waived by the Lakers in training camp in October, 2003, he played 14 games for Gary of the CBA and averaged 15.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg and 2.5 apg…in December, 2003, he was traded to the Dakota Wizards…he signed the first of two 10-day contracts with the Lakers, 1/30/04, and in four games averaged 5.5 ppg on 5-14 FGS, 1-3 3-pt FGS and 11-12 FTS…in the CBA, he averaged 19.0 ppg, ranking him seventh in the league…as a result, he was named to the all-CBA second team…he helped Dakota win its second CBA championship in three years by scoring 36 points in the final game, which led to him being named the Finals MVP…against Idaho, 1/27/04, he scored a league season-high 44 points…he signed a 10-day contract with the Hornets, 3/25/04…in six games with New Orleans, he scored 3.3 ppg on 11-35 FGS, 4-11 3-pt FGS and 16-20 FTS…since a career at LSU in which he averaged 17.3 ppg as a senior, he has played in the IBL, the ABA, Greece, the CBA and the NBA.

    Shelly Clark: Probably the most well-traveled player on the rookie/free agent camp roster, over the last 10 years, he has played in Puerto Rico, Turkey, Cyprus, Argentina, Israel, Venezuela, the USBL, the NBDL and the CBA…following a brief stint with Guácharos de Maturin in Venezuela, he signed with the Gary Steelheads of the CBA…however, his statistics from the 2004-05 season are not available…he also played for the Steelheads in 2003-2004, averaging 13.9 ppg. and 9.8 rpg in 37 games…his 9.8 rpg. was good for third best in the CBA…he averaged 17.0 ppg and a league-high 11.3 rpg in the Steelheads' first visit to the CBA playoffs…he had season-highs of 28 points at Rockford, 1/6/04, and 20 rebounds vs. Yakima, 2/21, and vs. Rockford, 2/28…he played with Marinos de Oreinte in Venezuela and was the Most Valuable Player of the Venezuelan Finals in 2002-2003…he averaged 14.9 ppg, 7.7 rpg and 2.0 apg in the summer of 2002 for Maratonistas de Coamo in Puerto Rico…in 15 games with the Steelheads in 2001-02, he averaged 11.0 ppg, 7.1 rpg and 2.2 apg…he led the Argentina League in rebounds (9.4 rpg.) in 2000-01 while playing for Obras Sanitarias…he also led team in scoring with 17.4 points per game...he played two seasons at the University of Illinois after transferring from Indian Hills (Iowa) Community College…as a senior (1994-95), he averaged 11.8 ppg and 8.3 rpg in 28 games for the Fighting Illini…in two seasons at Illinois, he averaged 10.7 ppg and 7.4 rpg two seasons at Illinois.



    Edwards

    John Edwards: An undrafted rookie, he saw action in 25 games for the Pacers with one start...he had his best game with Indiana as a starter at Sacramento, 12/3…in that game, he scored nine points on 4-8 FGS and 1-4 FTS. he added career-highs of five rebounds, two assists and 31 minutes against the Kings...he totaled 139 minutes, 85 of which came in a six-game span from 11/10 to 12/3…he totaled 29 points for the season and had 14 of them in a six-game span from 11/10 to 12/3...he shot 2-6 FGS in his first three games of the season, but then hit 9-18 FGS over his next 17 games...he scored three points on 3-4 FTS vs. Utah, 3/16, and his three free throws made were a career-high and his four attempts tied his most in 2004-05...he had 12 rebounds in his first eight games and totaled 19 boards for the season...he had eight offensive rebounds, including a career-high three at Sacramento, 12/3, and two at Golden State, 12/4…he blocked four shots, including two in his second game--vs. the Clippers, 11/10...he missed 28 games while on the injured list from 1/15 to 3/13 with a strained right quadricep.

    Charlie Gaines: He was the second leading scorer (18.3 ppg) for the Michigan Mayhem and was the top rebounder in the CBA with an average of 11.4 rpg in 2004-05…he ranked 11th in the league in scoring…having shot 296-511 from the floor (.579), he ranked third in the CBA in that department…he saw action in 44 games (30 starts) for the Mayhem after playing nine games with Eurofiditalia Reggio Calabria in Italy…in Italy, he averaged 14.4 ppg and 8.8 rpg, while shooting 52.2 percent from the floor…a second team All-Conference USA selection, he averaged 15.7 points (Ranked ninth in C-USA) and a league-leading 10.1 rpg as a senior in 2003-04…he posted 15 double-doubles and scored 20 or more points on nine occasions…he posted career-highs of 36 points and 18 rebounds against Georgia Southern…he scored 20 points and matched a career-high with 18 rebounds at Houston…he recorded 24 points and 12 rebounds against DePaul…he started all 57 games he played at Southern Mississippi…he recorded 31 double-doubles during his four-year career…he finished collegiate career at Southern Mississippi after playing his first two seasons at Southwest Missouri State.



    Granger

    Danny Granger: He earned First Team All-Mountain West Conference and First Team NABC District 13 honors his junior and senior seasons…he finished his collegiate career at New Mexico after playing a season and a half at Bradley. he ranks in the top 10 in career blocked shots at both New Mexico and Bradley…as a senior, he ranked second in the Mountain West Conference in scoring (18.8 ppg), third in rebounding (8.9 rpg), second in steals (2.1 spg), second in blocks (2.0 bpg) and third in 3-pt field goal percentage (.433)…he missed three games due to minor surgery to repair a tear in the lateral meniscus of his left knee…in 2004-05, he was the first player in school history to record 60 assists, 60 blocks and 60 steals in a season…he recorded 13 double-doubles…he was named MWC Tournament MVP after averaging 24.3 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 3.7 apg and 3.0 bpg in three games.



    Harrison

    David Harrison: He shot 57.6 percent from the floor, setting the Pacers' rookie record…with enough attempts to qualify he would have led all of the NBA's rookies in field goal percentage in 2004-05…after going scoreless and without a rebound in eight minutes in the season-opener at Cleveland, 11/3, he scored eight points and collected six rebounds off the bench at Boston, 11/5…in that game, he shot 2-2 FGS and 4-6 FTS…he scored 19 points with eight rebounds, two steals and three steals in a career-high 44 minutes vs. Orlando, 11/20…that was his first game of double-figure points in the NBA…tying for the team lead in scoring, he notched a career-high 22 points vs. Toronto, 12/17…that was the only time in 2004-05 that he led the team in scoring…in all, he scored in double figures eight times and registered one double-double…he collected a career-high 10 boards and scored 12 points at Atlanta, 12/14…he blocked an average of 1.28 bpg, ranking fourth among all rookies in the NBA.

    Jimmie Hunter: Following 19 games with the Gary Steelheads, he averaged 17.8 ppg after signing in February, 2005, with Sebastiani Rieti in Italy…with Gary in the CBA, he averaged 20.8 ppg, 2.8 rpg and 3.8 apg…a 2004 CBA All-Star, he averaged 20.3 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 4.2 apg and 2.0 spg in 48 games for the Rockford Lightning…he spent part of the 2002-03 season with the Harlem Globetrotters team that played against U.S. college teams…he turned professional following his sophomore season in which he led Life University in Atlanta to its second consecutive NAIA title…in the championship game of the NAIA tournament, he hit the game-winning shot with 12 seconds left…he earned first team all-NAIA honors and was the NAIA Player of the Year after leading the team in scoring (22.1 ppg), steals (99) and blocked shots (63)…he finished second on the team with 112 assists…he scored 30+ points eight times, including a season-best 39 vs. The Master's College…he played his freshman season at Memphis where he averaged 16.2 ppg in 20 games…he led the team with 17.1 ppg in Conference USA games.

    LeRoy Hurd:The Southland Conference's leading scorer as a junior and senior, he was the SLC's tournament MVP as a senior in 2004…he signed with Chalons-en-Champagne in France, but was waived in November, 2004, after just seven games…after a brief stint with the Portland Reign of the ABA, he signed with the Columbus Riverdragons in the NBDL…with Columbus, he averaged 10.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg and 1.4 apg in 26 games…he played his junior and senior seasons at Texas-San Antonio after transferring from the University of Miami (FL)…he averaged a career-high and league-leading 19.4 ppg in leading the Road Runners to the Southland Conference title as a senior…he also averaged 8.0 rpg and was named the 2004 Player of the Year…he averaged a league-high 17.6 ppg and 8.0 rpg in his first year at Texas-San Antonio and was named the Southland Newcomer of the Year.

    Michel Morandais: A teammate of the Pacers' David Harrison the University of Colorado in 2003-04, he earned Second Team All-Big 12 honors his junior and senior years…he finished his career as Colorado’s seventh all-time leading scorer with 1,428 points…he also ranked sixth all-time in career games played (116), ninth in assists (294) and tied for 13th in steals (103)…he led the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament in scoring (20.7 ppg) and averaged 6.3 rpg and 3.0 apg and was named to the All-Tournament Team…as a senior, he averaged 16.1 points (ranking sixth in the Big 12), 4.4 rebounds and a team-high 3.1 assists…he scored 20 or more points eight times, registering a season-high 28 points on 9-11 shooting against Missouri...this past season, he averaged 9.9 ppg and 3.6 rpg in 47 games for Vertical Vision Cantu in the Italian League…a native of the French West Indies, he played for the French National team in 2003.

    Kevinn Pinkney: A senior co-captain, he was the only three-year letter winner on Nevada’s roster…he was named to the all-WAC second team and the all-defensive team this season…he played in 108 games for the Wolfpack during his four-year career…he scored double figures in 23 of 31 games for Nevada in 2004-05, including a team-high 22 points in the team's loss to Illinois, 3/1, in the second round of the NCAA tournament and a team-leading 25 points at Toledo, 12/7…he was the team's leading scorer in both of its NCAA tournament games…he recorded double-digit rebounds 11 times…he ranked second on the team in rebounding (7.7 rpg), scoring (12.1 ppg) and free-throw percentage (.730)…since his arrival on campus, Nevada won 85 games, the most all-time by any single member of the Wolf Pack…he also started 81 straight games in which he has played…he missed 18 games during his career because of injury, including the last 16 of his sophomore season…he ranks sixth all-time in the school history for blocked shots with 89.

    Shane Power: A former Indiana High School All-Star and the 2000 3A Trester Award winner, he led Gary Andrean to the State Finals against Indianapolis Brebeuf…he was selected to the all-SEC second team by the league's coaches as a senior, after averaging 11.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg and 2.4 apg…he was presented the prestigious Babe McCarthy Memorial Award by the school for best exemplifying the highest traits of character, leadership, desire and hustle…the Crown Point, Ind., native set a new all-time school record by connecting on 41.7 percent of his 3-pt attempts during his two-year MSU playing career…as a junior, he was named the 2003-04 SEC Scholar-Athlete of the Year…he also collected MSU's Academic Award for posting the team's highest grade point average in 2004-05…he played his first two years at Iowa State, where he teamed with the Pacers' Jamaal Tinsley as a freshman…in his second season with the Cyclones, he started all 31 games and averaged 13.6 ppg with 4.5 rpg…he is 22nd on Indiana's all-time career scoring list with 2,110 points in his career at Andrean.



    Radojevic

    Aleksandar Radojevic: He saw action in 12 games for the Utah Jazz, before being waived 1/4/05…in one of his best outings of the season, he scored four points on 2-4 FGS and hauled in a season-best six rebounds in a loss at Boston, 12/17…in 12 games, he averaged 1.6 ppg and 2.3 rpg…an early entry candidate for the NBA draft in 1999, he was selected 12th overall by the Toronto Raptors…on the active roster to begin the 1999-2000 season, he made his first NBA appearance in the opener vs. Boston 11/2, playing one scoreless minute…placed on injured list after two games due to a tear in the medial meniscus of his left knee...he underwent back surgery on 1/6 and returned for the final two games of the season...he scored his first NBA point on a free throw at Miami, 4/8...in the season finale at Orlando on 4/19 had six points, eight rebounds, one assist, one steal and one block in 19 minutes…he missed the entire 2000-01 season due to back surgery performed in October…an all-NJCAA third team pick, he averaged 15.4 ppg, 9.0 rpg and 4.0 bpg as a sophomore at Barton County Community College in Kansas…a native of Serbia and Montenegro, he originally had committed to Ohio State, but was ruled ineligible by the NCAA for playing four games and a total of 19 minutes for a Yugoslavian pro team two years prior

    Jemiel Rich: A second team All-CBA selection, he was named to the CBA's All-Defensive Team for the second straight year in 2004-05…while playing for the Gary Steelheads, he led the league in assists (9.7 apg) and steals (2.8 spg), and ranked 15th in scoring (17.8 ppg)…he grabbed a league-high eight steals against Rockford, 1/12…voted to the Eastern Conference All-Star Team, he scored 15 points and dealt 10 assists in the All-Star game...he was also named to the all-CBA second team and the All-Defensive Team in 2004, after averaging a league-high 10.6 apg and ranking second in the league in steals with 2.7 spg…he earned Player of the Week honors for the week ending March 7…during that week, he posted a league-high 23 assists against Sioux Falls, 3/2…he grabbed a team-high seven steals against Dakota, 1/23.…voted to the American All-Star Team, he scored eight points with 11 assists in the All-Star game…since leaving Southern Methodist in 1997, he has played in Lithuania, Switzerland, Italy and Venezuela, in addition to his three seasons in the CBA.

    Robert Rothbart: Originally an early entry candidate for the 2004 NBA draft before withdrawing his name from consideration, he turned down a scholarship offer from Indiana to sign a professional contract with Paris Basket Racing in France…he is a native of Yugoslavia and also holds citizenship in Bosnia and Israel…he emigrated with his family to the United States when he was eight years old…he underwent shoulder surgery and missed virtually the entire season for Paris Basket Racing…he played one minute of one game for the senior team…he averaged 21 points, a California state-leading 15 rebounds and five blocked shots per game as a senior at Natomas High School in Sacramento…he was named Sierra Foothill League MVP and earned All-Metro honors from The Sacramento Bee…he spent his junior season at Monta Vista High School in Cupertino, Calif., where he averaged 26 points, 14 rebounds and 5.5 blocks per game.

    Romain Sato: Selected in the second round (52nd overall) of the 2004 NBA Draft by the San Antonio Spurs, he was placed on the injured list prior to the start of the season (left patella tendinitis) and was waived 2/24…he was named to the NCAA Tournament All-Regional Team after averaging 18.3 ppg and 7.3 rpg while helping Xavier earn its first trip to the Elite Eight…he set the Xavier career record for three-point field goals (307) and finished third on Xavier’s all-time scoring list (2,005 points) and eighth in career rebounds (892)…he is the only guard ranked among the school’s top 15 in rebounding and is one of four Musketeers to rank in top 10 in XU history in both scoring and rebounding (along with David West, Tyrone Hill and Brian Grant)…he had 20 career double-doubles in scoring-rebounding and set school record with 130 career starts…he was named to the Atlantic 10 first or second team in each of his last three seasons and was an all-defensive team pick in all three seasons…after averaging 10.7 ppg and 5.4 rpg, he was named to the A-10 All-Rookie Team.



    Thomas

    Chris Thomas:A four-time Big East Conference selection and the Big East Rookie of the Year in 2002, he finished his career with a 17.1 ppg career scoring average…rounding out his career with 2,195 total points, he is the third all-time leading scorer in Irish history…one of only three players in NCAA history to tally over 2,000 points and 800 assists, he is the holder of nine career records at Notre Dame--including career 3-pt field goals made (302), 3-pt field goals attempted (833), assists (833), assist per game (6.5), steals (244), steals per game (1.9), free-throw percentage (.868), games started and consecutive games started (128)…in honor of the 100th season of Irish basketball, he was named to the All-Century team as one of Notre Dame's 25 greatest players of all time…a graduate of Indianapolis' Pike High School, he was the 2001 Indiana Mr. Basketball…if he were to make the regular season roster, he would be the eighth Mr. Basketball to play for the Pacers (not including Damon Bailey, who never played a regular season game for the Pacers) and would be the first to play for the Pacers since Kyle Macy (1975) played for Indiana in 1986-87.

    PACERS 2005 ROOKIE & FREE AGENT CAMP ROSTER
    NUM PLAYER POS HGT WGT B'DAY SCHOOL/COUNTRY LAST TEAM
    15 Ron Artest F 6-7 252 11/13/79 St. John's '01 Pacers
    24 Jonathan Bender F 7-0 235 1/30/81 Picayune (Miss.) H.S. '99 Pacers
    50 Nick Billings C 7-0 255 1/20/82 Binghamton '05 Binghamton
    11 Maurice Carter G 6-5 210 10/12/76 LSU '99 Mississippi (WBL)
    32 Shelly Clark F 6-8 245 12/18/72 Illinois '95 Gary (CBA)
    54 John Edwards C 7-1 275 7/31/81 Kent St. '04 Pacers
    16 Charlie Gaines F 6-7 240 10/15/81 So. Miss. '04 Reggio Calabria (Italy)
    23 Danny Granger F 6-8 225 4/20/83 New Mexico '05 New Mexico
    13 David Harrison C 7-0 280 8/15/82 Colorado '05 Pacers
    2 Jimmie Hunter G 6-4 180 12/24/77 Life '00 Sebastiani Rieti (Italy)
    20 LeRoy Hurd F 6-7 215 5/26/80 UT-San Antonio '04 Columbus (NBDL)
    8 Michel Morandais G 6-5 205 1/10/79 Colorado '04 Cantu (Italy)
    21 Kevinn Pinkney F 6-10 245 10/20/83 Nevada-Reno '05 Nevada-Reno
    12 Shane Power G 6-5 210 7/31/81 Mississippi St. '05 Mississippi St.
    52 Aleksandar Radojevic C 7-3 250 8/8/76 Serbia/Montenegro Jazz
    14 Jemiel Rich G 5-10 170 1/31/75 SMU '97 Oklahoma (USBL)
    24 Robert Rothbart F 7-1 225 6/16/86 Bosnia-Herzegovinia Paris BR (France)
    3 Romain Sato G 6-5 205 3/2/81 Xavier '04 Spurs
    6 Chris Thomas G 6-1 190 10/3/82 Notre Dame '05 Notre Dame
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  • #2
    Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

    I hope Romain Sato makes the team. I like the kid. Thought he was a good pick for the Spurs last year, but I guess I was wrong. Hopefully he can land a spot on this team.

    Aleksandar Radojevic is kinda tempting. Have to keep our eyes on him.

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    • #3
      Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

      Ron Artest is wearing number 15. Interesting.

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      • #4
        Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

        Kevin Pinkney was a really fun player to watch in college. This should be exciting. Anybody have access to the games and willing to host a Bitorrent or similiar?

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        • #5
          Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

          Jemiel Rich sounds like an interesting fellow. Should watch him to see if he can play ball for us. I already like him more than Anthony Johnson or Eddie Gill, but when was the last time a summer league guy made the Pacers? Norm Richardson?

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          • #6
            Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

            I ws just thinking wasn't Romain Sato the one a lot of people on her were begging for us to pick last year?

            I guess he didn't work out so well for the Spurs.

            Anyone notice the former teammates of Harrison and tinsley? You think that had anything to do with them getting an invite to play?

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            • #7
              Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

              Guess I was wrong about Fowlkes. One of these guys sure must look like him, though.
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              • #8
                Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

                Probably Charlie Gaines was the Fowkles look alike. When I saw film on Granger on the news #16 Gaines was in the background under the basket.

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                • #9
                  Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

                  We actually have a bunch of skilled guys on the team!

                  I really like the team. I think the following guys have a shot to make our team (in this order):

                  1.) Chris Thomas

                  2.) Aleksandar Radojevic

                  3.) Romain Sato

                  4.) Nick Billings

                  5.) John Edwards

                  6.) Charlie Gaines

                  7.) Kevin Pinkney

                  8.) Jemiel Rich
                  Here, everyone have a : on me

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

                    We got a guy named "Shelly". I don't like it.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

                      Originally posted by Fig Newton
                      Jemiel Rich sounds like an interesting fellow. Should watch him to see if he can play ball for us. I already like him more than Anthony Johnson or Eddie Gill, but when was the last time a summer league guy made the Pacers? Norm Richardson?
                      I liked his profile too......at this point...any PG can be an upgrade over Gill.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

                        I liked Sato as a 2nd rounder pick last year but I doubt he makes the team unless one Freddie is traded and the team doesn't think Johnson should be the backup 2 guard. Interesting group of players, and yeah Radojevic is worth keeping an eye on. Could he be any worse than Edwards?
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                        • #13
                          Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

                          Radojevic can't be any worse than Edwards...and if Sato can play a little combo, he seems like he'd have a chance to displace Gill...or if Thomas can be more creative at the point than Gill it seems like the Pacers might give him a shot.

                          Tough to displace Gill though, given his contract this next year is guaranteed.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

                            Just as long as Thomas can protect the ball better than Gill i am a'right with
                            the replacement. Edwards is a lost cause. He should go to europe and get some
                            practice time there.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Pacers’ Rookie/Free Agent Camp Bios & Roster

                              I thought Gill was going to play too

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