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    Originally posted by Kstat
    Contender for what?
    We are not a true championship contender without Ron Artest but fortunately Ron Artest is a member of our team and we are a contender and a favorite for the NBA Title.

    Saying that, we are a better team than Detroit. They were already exposed by S.A. and next season we will be a clear and dominant team to the Pistons while Detroit won't get past the 2nd round of the NBA Playoffs.

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    Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

    Originally posted by IgotaFeva
    Saying that, we are a better team than Detroit.
    You trying to convince me or yourself?

    They were already exposed by S.A....
    Exposed as what? We were a missed three-pointer away from "exposing" the Spurs....

    and next season we will be a clear and dominant team to the Pistons while Detroit won't get past the 2nd round of the NBA Playoffs.


    I disagree. Next year the Pistons will go 82-0 and the Pacers will miss the playoffs by 10 games

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    • #3
      Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

      Originally posted by IgotaFeva
      We are not a true championship contender without Ron Artest but fortunately Ron Artest is a member of our team and we are a contender and a favorite for the NBA Title.

      Saying that, we are a better team than Detroit. They were already exposed by S.A. and next season we will be a clear and dominant team to the Pistons while Detroit won't get past the 2nd round of the NBA Playoffs.
      Detroit was minutes away from getting back-to-back titles, and as much as I dislike them, you can't argue with that.

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      • #4
        Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

        Originally posted by Pingu
        Detroit was minutes away from getting back-to-back titles, and as much as I dislike them, you can't argue with that.
        I won't respond to the Piston homer to avoid a flame war but Detroit wasn't even the best team in the East, Miami was. Detroit got lucky Flash got injured.

        We showed on November 19 we were a better team than Detroit and would have been in the Finals. This season will be a fun and gratifying season to watch. Detroit's fluke runs are over.

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        • #5
          Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

          Just wait till preseason in October. We'll show who the better team is.....

          The Hawks beat us a lot worse than Indiana did. If anyone is going to the finals based on how they played against the Pistons in November, it's the Hawks.

          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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          • #6
            Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

            Originally posted by IgotaFeva
            I won't respond to the Piston homer to avoid a flame war but Detroit wasn't even the best team in the East, Miami was. Detroit got lucky Flash got injured.

            We showed on November 19 we were a better team than Detroit and would have been in the Finals. This season will be a fun and gratifying season to watch. Detroit's fluke runs are over.
            Read this column by the Sports Guy. Substitute Pacers for Steelers, throw in some basketball references, and you've essentially got the same situation. Even the title could be switched: It's the Pacers world, the Pistons just live - and win - in it.

            Editor's note: This column appears in the Sept. 16 issue of ESPN The Magazine.

            Anthony Pleasant, Kordell Stewart, Richard Seymour
            Over time, history will forget the many moments like this on the day when Kordell Stewart met the Patriots head-on.
            Years from now, Pittsburgh fans will call it, simply, "The Drive." And I was there. Section 322, Gillette Stadium. The night the Steelers would not be denied.

            Seeds of this drama were planted in January. The Patriots had stormed off Heinz Field with the AFC title, but the home team was not impressed. Fresh off two late interceptions, a resolute Kordell Stewart offered, "I still feel we're the better team." Even after the Pats toppled the Rams, the Steelers maintained their superiority. And rightly so. Didn't they have more talent? Steelers receiver Hines Ward summed up the team's feelings: "We basically went to the Super Bowl last year."

            The NFL must have nixed Bill Cowher's request to simulate this season's schedule on Madden 2003, because here were the mighty Steelers strutting into Foxboro for a season-opening rematch, a gridiron Roy Jones Jr. preparing to dismantle another mandatory cream puff. Safety Lee Flowers explained they were the AFC's "hunted" team, adding, "Ask the Patriots, they know it." Vegas certainly did, installing the visitors as three-point favorites. When the overmatched underdogs jumped ahead, their jittery fans braced for the real champs to retaliate.

            We watched with trepidation as Kordell strolled onto the field, cooler than the other side of the pillow, needing to orchestrate a 66-yard drive in 175 seconds. No sweat. Forget his four turnovers, or the three other heaves that were nearly picked off, or Madden quipping, "He looks nervous." None of that mattered anymore.

            Bill Cowher
            Genius is a term used to describe Steelers coach Bill Cowher as often as there's spittle on his magnificent chin.
            As the two-minute warning loomed, the superstar came alive: Three passes, three completions, 27 yards. Like Elway in Cleveland, Stewart was rising to the challenge, directing yet another chapter for NFL Films' inevitable DVD, "Kordell's Greatest Moments."

            Undaunted by two holding penalties and a second-and-30, the unflappable field general found Ward, then Amos Zereoue, on consecutive throws, finagling an improbable first down before the sage Cowher used a second timeout. Make no mistake: Stewart was slicing up Bill Belichick's vaunted D like Joan Rivers picking apart the necklines on that "Live from the Red Carpet" show on E! A remarkable one-handed grab by rookie sensation Antwaan Randle El put the Steelers 7 yards from glory. Thirty-nine ticks left. You could almost hear John Facenda's booming voiceover.

            Time to burn the last timeout -- and for coach and QB to work some magic. The reeling Patriots never imagined their foes would resort to trickery, but with so much on the line, Cowher was leaving nothing on the table. His call was a brilliant "Double Toss": Stewart pitched back to Randle El, who flipped it forward to Zereoue for 5 extra-desperately needed-yards. From there, it was all Kordell. A sweet fake spike froze defenders as he sprinted toward the end zone. Pushed out at the 1, but believing he'd crossed the plane, the fiery leader had to be separated from the officials. You think this guy isn't a competitor?

            Tom Brady
            Oh, and Tom Brady played pretty well on that Monday night, too.
            Four seconds. Now, the Patriots called time. How could this be happening? Belichick needed to catch his breath-and find an answer. Meanwhile, Stewart and Cowher discussed their options. But really, there was only one. As Gene Hackman told Keanu in "The Replacements," "Winners always want the ball when the game's on the line." Kordell cradled the snap and hurdled over center, careening off LB Tedy Bruschi, then stretching over the goal line ... Touchdown, Steelers! The cream of the AFC had laid the smack down.

            Final score: New England 30, Pittsburgh 14.

            Yes, the Patriots had prevailed -- convincingly -- again, but, years from now, only The Drive will endure. For 66 yards and 175 glorious seconds, the invincible Steelers could not be stopped, not by New England's finest second-stringers, not by a suffocating prevent D, not by the roar of the 3,000 Pats fans still in attendance.

            The road to the AFC championship still goes through the Steelers, a team destined to basically reach the Super Bowl for a second straight season. Some day, they may basically win one.

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              Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

              Originally posted by Kstat
              Just wait till preseason in October. We'll show who the better team is.....

              The Hawks beat us a lot worse than Indiana did. If anyone is going to the finals based on how they played against the Pistons in November, it's the Hawks.
              You can't compare the two. On November 19 both teams brought their A game and indy wiped them on the floor. Billups was even wearing his championship ring. Those are two big rivals so it was a big game.

              For Atlanta, they wanted to beat the champs and Detroit didn't play hard.

              With Ron, Pacers are clearly the better team than Detroit. No more fluke runs because of injuries for Detroit. Those days are over and no more Stern to ruin the Pacers and award the Pistons.

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              • #8
                Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

                So, on your list of excuses why the Pacers lost to the Pistons in the playoffs, the Pacers themselves are what, #9 or #10 on your list?

                And how exactly did Ron play against the Pistons in hit last game that actually mattered, you know, since he's such a huge Piston-killer and all.....

                Nevermind, I just recalled he served us our lunch in November. Just like he did in the regular season of 2004....

                Hopefully for you, next year Ron will continue his dominance over the Pistons in games that don't mean much....

                It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                • #9
                  Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

                  ** THREAD HIJACKING ALERT **

                  ** The FA has been notified and they are on there way to investigate the current situations **
                  Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

                    Sassan, quit being such a sore loser.

                    IndyToad
                    Look out it is a dog

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                    • #11
                      Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

                      Originally posted by indytoad
                      Sassan, quit being such a sore loser.

                      IndyToad
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                      Oh, please tell me you're ****ting me. :shakehead
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                      • #12
                        Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

                        Is it really him? Does he ever give up?
                        Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

                          It's funny the Piston homers gather around to support each other. That's all I have to say for that nonsense.

                          For rest of the rhetoric I don't know what they are saying so I have no response.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

                            Originally posted by Suaveness
                            Is it really him? Does he ever give up?
                            Somehow I don't think Sassan's "improved" site is going as well as he bragged.....

                            Far as this guy goes, it wouldn't surprise me either way. I guess we'll find out eventually. I'm not quite as sure this time around.

                            He certainly seems to have a similiar attitude.

                            I also missed the meeting where Suave and Kegboy became "Piston homers" . Nobody dislikes the Pistons more than Suave. He just isn't a complete **** about it.

                            It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Celtics offer Jasikevicius a multi year deal

                              Originally posted by Kstat
                              I also missed the meeting where Suave and Kegboy became "Piston homers" .
                              Well, there was that time I took your side in an argument with UB a couple days ago. I still feel dirty about that.
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