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The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

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    The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

    http://www.isportsweb.com/2017/08/03...ams-can-learn/

    All relationships don’t end the same. Some end after multiple volatile arguments. The type of arguments where your neighbors give you a concerned look every time they see you, and you must tell them that everything is all right, when deep down you know nothing is right.

    These are the type of endings to relationships that we read about on celebrity gossip websites. They’re dramatic, explosive, and easily catch people’s attention. However, this isn’t the only way relationships end.

    Other relationships can end subtly. You can’t really pinpoint when the people involved started to grow apart, but both parties know that the best days are behind them. One person might project their frustration about the situation. They may even publicly speak about the idea of being with someone else while you’re still together. The fun moments don’t feel as great as they used to, and it feels like the disappointing times occur more frequently. The relationship slowly fades away. And while one person may try their best to make things work, it’s clear that it’s best for both sides to go their separate ways, before things get uglier than they already are.

    The latter situation is where the Indiana Pacers found themselves in their relationship with Paul George. The Three-Time All-NBA Team selection reportedly informed the Indiana Pacers that he wasn’t going to return to the franchise after the 2017-18 season. He expressed strong interest in returning to his hometown during 2018 free agency to play for the Los Angeles Lakers.

    In other words, Paul George informed his partner that he was going to leave them. He told them exactly when he planned to leave and that there’s someone else that he wants to be with. Fortunately, for the Pacers this isn’t the first time this happened in the NBA and the Pacers had evidence of what needed to happen to protect their future.

    During the 2010-2011 season, Carmelo Anthony made it clear that he wasn’t going to return to the Denver Nuggets after his contract expired. The Nuggets did their best to mend the relationship, but Melo was unwilling to sign an extension with the team. He pushed for the Nuggets to trade for him to the New York Knicks before the trade deadline.

    The trade obviously went through and the Nuggets gained the proper amount of assets and players in return for a star of Melo’s caliber. This is not only why they nearly had an identical winning percentage in their first two seasons without Melo (64.1%) than their last two seasons with him (65.2%), but also accomplished their greatest regular season as a franchise since joining the NBA two seasons removed from Melo’s departure.

    Like the Nuggets, the Pacers tried to mend the relationship with Paul George. During the 2016 offseason, they added key veterans (Thaddeus Young, Al Jefferson, and Jeff Teague) to the roster to surround George with the talent and experience necessary to contend at the top of the Eastern Conference. They even went as far as re-signing former Pacer, and George’s former teammate, Lance Stephenson at the end of the season for a late season, playoff push. But, the move was too little, too late.

    Although he became a better player, George couldn’t replicate the team success that he had earlier in his career. The writing was on the wall; the 2012-2013 and 2013-2014 seasons, the campaigns the Pacers appeared in back-to-back Eastern Conference Finals, were the best years he was going to have with the franchise. In a league in which the teams competing for championships have or are attempting to form a big three (and in the Golden State Warriors’ case, a big four), George was the Pacers’ only star. That wasn’t going to cut it for a player that claimed competing at the highest level is his main priority, and quite simply, it wasn’t going to make him happy.

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    The Indiana Pacers received Domantas Sabonis (3) and Victor Oladipo (5) from the Oklahoma City Thunder in the Paul George trade, and Pacer fans shouldn’t hold a grudge against George for feeling this way. He gave the Pacers organization his best for seven seasons. Although he didn’t make it easy for the Pacers to trade him by being so outspoken about wanting to join the Lakers as a free agent in 2018, he shouldn’t be blamed for how poorly the situation was handled. The only people that should be blamed for the poor return in the George trade are the Pacers’ executives.

    Recently hired General Manager Kevin Pritchard shouldn’t have attempted to make it appear as if George’s desires to leave weren’t apparent in the first place. Pritchard, responding to George formally informing the franchise that he didn’t intend to stay with the Pacers long term, went on record stating that, “If we would have known this a few months ago, I think we could have been more prepared. Becoming public was a big issue.”

    The thing is, they did know months ago. It was reported in February that barring a miraculous title contending playoff run, he intended to join the Lakers. Why else would the organization dangle his name in trade rumors before the trade deadline, rumors which furthered aggravated George, if they didn’t have a clue about his intentions? Not trading George before the deadline hurt their chances of receiving a great package in return for him. But, it wasn’t the most appalling aspect of how the Pacers handled the situation.

    Plenty has been said about how little in return the Pacers received for George. And while the return was awful, the reasoning behind the trade was egregious. Nobody can make a valid argument that the Thunder’s trade package was better than the reported offers on the table from the Los Angeles Lakers, Boston Celtics, Denver Nuggets, or Cleveland Cavaliers. When a team trades a star away, they usually end up with the short end of the stick (i.e. the DeMarcus Cousins and Jimmy Butler trades). But, the Pacers being fleeced in the manner that they did is unacceptable.

    Instead of having top draft picks or young assets on cheap contracts, the Pacers are now stuck with Victor Oladipo, whose production is unlikely to meet the expectations of his $84 million contract, and Domantas Sabonis, who progressively became worse during the 2016-17 season. The Pacers were too emotional regarding their handling of the Paul George situation and were not worried enough about doing what was best for team. They didn’t want to give George what he wanted, and were determined to send him out of the Eastern Conference. And because of it, their future appears to be lackluster, at best.

    The Cleveland Cavaliers find themselves in a similar situation with guard Kyrie Irving (2) as the Pacers did with Paul George. Photo Credit: Kelley L Cox-USA TODAY Sports
    Other NBA teams can learn a lesson from how Pacers operated. The star players (especially in smaller markets) are the ones in control of the NBA, not the owners. Franchises need to make sure they do everything in their power to make sure their stars are happy and don’t feel the need to leave town to feel fulfilled.

    This is especially important for the Cavaliers to keep in mind as they continue to sort through their Kyrie Irving drama. Although their circumstances are different, there are many similarities in how the relationship between the two star players and their franchises deteriorated. The Cavaliers must be careful; with LeBron James’ having a player option after the 2017-18 season, and signs leading many to believe he won’t return to Cleveland, it’s imperative that they handle the Kyrie situation with the maturity and keep what’s best for the organization in mind. Because if they don’t, they’ll end up just like their division-rival; hopeless and mediocre.

    But then again, it isn’t like that would be new for them.
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    Re: The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

    Ouch, that was harsh.

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      Re: The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

      Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
      http://www.isportsweb.com/2017/08/03...ams-can-learn/
      This article was complete and utter trash. It spoke a lot and said absolutely nothing and was filled with vague innuendo's and speculation.


      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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        the author; About Khobi Price

        Northern Illinois University Class of 2019. Aspiring Sports Broadcaster covering the Chicago Bulls, Indiana Pacers, Milwaukee Bucks, and New England Patriots.
        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

        If you've done 6 impossible things today?
        Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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          Re: The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

          The article goes against the popular opinion on here that Pritch hit a home run on this trade under the circumstances which I don't agree with.
          I do agree with the article that the PG situation was handled wrong but to do that justice the writer should have went into how Larry handled Paul during the retooling process. If you plan to build around a player today IMO you have to include that franchise player in the process of building the team much more than Larry did. The attitude that "he don't make decisions around here" is simply a my way or the highway type of thinking and it doesn't work.
          Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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            Re: The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

            Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
            The article goes against the popular opinion on here that Pritch hit a home run on this trade under the circumstances which I don't agree with.
            I do agree with the article that the PG situation was handled wrong but to do that justice the writer should have went into how Larry handled Paul during the retooling process. If you plan to build around a player today IMO you have to include that franchise player in the process of building the team much more than Larry did. The attitude that "he don't make decisions around here" is simply a my way or the highway type of thinking and it doesn't work.
            Yeah I don't know about that. It stinks to lose Paul and all, but I'd rather have Bird making decisions for the franchise than Paul George. A hundred times over, even. Playing basketball and putting together a winning team/culture/franchise are all different things. Paul could do one of those. Larry did at least two before things came crashing down.

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              Re: The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

              For a young man in only his second year of college, I thought he did a good job. I don't really agree with it and it is a pure opinion piece with no personal sources, but I've seen a lot worse written by experienced journalists.
              Danger Zone

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                Re: The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

                Originally posted by Peck View Post
                This article was complete and utter trash. It spoke a lot and said absolutely nothing and was filled with vague innuendo's and speculation.
                I disagree, I think he had a point about KP wanting so bad to put PG in the WC
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                • #9
                  Re: The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

                  Premise is that they had better offers and they did not. Denver was close depending on your opinion of Gary Harris vs Dipo and Sabonis vs whoever you'd take at Denvers late lottery. I don't think it was close I think the oKC deal was best, but at least that's a real argument.

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                    Re: The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

                    Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                    I disagree, I think he had a point about KP wanting so bad to put PG in the WC
                    I haven't seen any evidence of a single trade offer that is definitively better. In fact, the only other offer I've seen was the one with Gary Harris and the 12th pick, which is arguable either way (I don't think it's better). Still, much better idea to take a similar trade with OKC and then sit back with a margarita and watch the Cavs implode (which is priceless).
                    Danger Zone

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

                      Some (not me) believe that Paul George is a franchise cornerstone, and a truly top 10 player.

                      If you walk into this conversation with that belief, no trade outside of a trade for another franchise level player is going to seem like a good deal... that or multiple high level draft picks.

                      The team was in a no-win circumstance, but certainly puts Pritchard in the early position of wanting to prove his worth after having to deal with this turd burger to start. I'm happy about that to be honest. I think we'll see Pritchard's best.

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                        Re: The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

                        Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                        I disagree, I think he had a point about KP wanting so bad to put PG in the WC
                        Based on what? First KP is on record saying that if the supposed deals that everybody believed about Boston were on the table he would have taken it. Other than that?

                        I however think it is entirely appropriate to not trade your star player in your own conference and not new or unique to this situation. In particular I believe that KP had a duty to not make a super team in our own conference so yeah I'm on board with that notion however there is not one shred of evidence that supports that he even did this other than me believing it. What there is evidence of is that he took a trade that brought back immediate assets, you can argue all you want about the value of them, that he believed will help the pacers in the immediate future and for years to come. He may be wrong but that is what we know.

                        This article say's none of that.


                        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                        • #13
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                          Is it gospel that a high draft pick will be a better player than Victor Oladipo? After reading this article, one would think that we got a bust like Trey Burke instead of a proven solid player in Vic
                          Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                            Re: The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

                            Originally posted by Peck View Post
                            Based on what? First KP is on record saying that if the supposed deals that everybody believed about Boston were on the table he would have taken it. Other than that?

                            I however think it is entirely appropriate to not trade your star player in your own conference and not new or unique to this situation. In particular I believe that KP had a duty to not make a super team in our own conference so yeah I'm on board with that notion however there is not one shred of evidence that supports that he even did this other than me believing it. What there is evidence of is that he took a trade that brought back immediate assets, you can argue all you want about the value of them, that he believed will help the pacers in the immediate future and for years to come. He may be wrong but that is what we know.

                            This article say's none of that.
                            Really? You read it right?

                            "The Pacers were too emotional regarding their handling of the Paul George situation and were not worried enough about doing what was best for team. They didn’t want to give George what he wanted, and were determined to send him out of the Eastern Conference. And because of it, their future appears to be lackluster, at best."
                            Sittin on top of the world!

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                              Re: The Paul George and Indiana Pacers relationship, and what other teams can learn

                              Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                              Really? You read it right?

                              "The Pacers were too emotional regarding their handling of the Paul George situation and were not worried enough about doing what was best for team. They didn’t want to give George what he wanted, and were determined to send him out of the Eastern Conference. And because of it, their future appears to be lackluster, at best."
                              That is just fantasy though. What is he using to back this up? What was the best offer for the team that Pritchard passed up because he was so scorned that he took the OKC offer?

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