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    I stand by my forum party prediction of him being a 20, 5 and 5 guy (with + Defense) for us for the next 6-7 years.



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    His low efficiency is definitely concerning, but other than that I like what I'm seeing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trader Joe View Post
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    I stand by my forum party prediction of him being a 20, 5 and 5 guy (with + Defense) for us for the next 6-7 years.
    Wonder what the average number of wins for the team would be if Dipo is putting up those kind of numbers annually.

    I'd rather those numbers be lower while the team had more talent on the roster which would allow for more Ws.

    20, 5 and 5 guys on 50 win teams are typically Star type players.

    Unless you're saying he can be that kind of player of course
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    I think he's around 18-20 ppg on a bad team being a top 2 option, and more like a 15 ppg 4th or 5th quality starter on a good team.
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    I think he's around 18-20 ppg on a bad team being a top 2 option, and more like a 15 ppg 4th or 5th quality starter on a good team.
    This is where i am as well

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    Wonder what the average number of wins for the real would be if Dipo is puttinf up those kind of numbers annually.

    I'd rather those numbers be lower while the team had more talent on the roster which would allow for more Ws.

    20, 5 and 5 guys on 50 win teams are typically Star type players.

    Unless youre saying he can be that kind of player of course
    I think that's exactly what he is saying.

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    Wonder what the average number of wins for the team would be if Dipo is putting up those kind of numbers annually.

    I'd rather those numbers be lower while the team had more talent on the roster which would allow for more Ws.

    20, 5 and 5 guys on 50 win teams are typically Star type players.

    Unless you're saying he can be that kind of player of course
    Borderline all star yeah. I see VO's ceiling (stat wise) the same regardless of how good the team is. I think he's an amazing option 3 on a really good (championship level) team or a good option 2 on a playoff team (which BTW is what he was last year in the West) or a first option on a bad (lottery) team. So I think regardless of how the Pacers are, those will be VO's numbers (give or take) maybe if we're slightly better he's doing something like 17, 6, 6. His 20, 5, 5 on a really good team would of course probably be more efficient, etc. (Having an extremely ball dominant player like Russ come in could impact this as well)

    Myles to me tops out as a second option (quality still yet TBD). For comparison I think Paul George is the best second option player in the NBA.
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    .............I think Paul George is the best second option player in the NBA.
    Steph Curry (or Durant - depending on your opinion) beg to differ.

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    Steph Curry (or Durant - depending on your opinion) beg to differ.
    No. They are just two option 1s on the same team.



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    Borderline all star yeah. I see VO's ceiling (stat wise) the same regardless of how good the team is. I think he's an amazing option 3 on a really good (championship level) team or a good option 2 on a playoff team (which BTW is what he was last year in the West) or a first option on a bad (lottery) team. So I think regardless of how the Pacers are, those will be VO's numbers (give or take) maybe if we're slightly better he's doing something like 17, 6, 6. His 20, 5, 5 on a really good team would of course probably be more efficient, etc. (Having an extremely ball dominant player like Russ come in could impact this as well)

    Myles to me tops out as a second option (quality still yet TBD). For comparison I think Paul George is the best second option player in the NBA.
    I think you're completely overselling on the guy. But it would certainly be great if he somehow ends up that good or productive

    You're basically saying he's just a notch below Jimmy Butler and Gordon Hayward in terms of production. I don't see that.

    In terms of impact i think Victor is closer to an Avery Bradley than he is to those guys
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    He's better than Bradley - just look at the numbers. And VO has been in the league for 4 years. And his production after 4 years is rather similar to GH & JB after 4 years. If he continues to grow & develop a little - his numbers after 6 & 7 years will be on par with the other 2 guys.

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    He's better than Bradley - just look at the numbers. And VO has been in the league for 4 years. And his production after 4 years is rather similar to GH & JB after 4 years. If he continues to grow & develop a little - his numbers after 6 & 7 years will be on par with the other 2 guys.
    I think if you go by what Ace says, in terms of impact, he's right. Numbers may show him closer to Butler, but dude is not near that level. If he was, OKC would have been a much better team last year.


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    I think if you go by what Ace says, in terms of impact, he's right. Numbers may show him closer to Butler, but dude is not near that level. If he was, OKC would have been a much better team last year.
    I just have difficulty comparing ANY 'team' to OKC. Westbrook is way too ball dominant (hog-ish ??) to make a case for or against anyone else on the team.

    And after re-reading stuff - Ace is talking about 2 things. Production & impact. But still - it's tough to measure or evaluate or make an opinion on either of those with Westbrook on the team.
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    I think you're completely overselling on the guy. But it would certainly be great if he somehow ends up that good or productive

    You're basically saying he's just a notch below Jimmy Butler and Gordon Hayward in terms of production. I don't see that.

    In terms of impact i think Victor is closer to an Avery Bradley than he is to those guys
    Hmmm. At this level I think the difference between a 20 PPG guy and a potential 25 PPG guy like Gordon or Butler is actually quite large.



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    Is 47-35 in the West with the roster that OKC was rocking last year that bad? They had no bench whatsoever.



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    Is 47-35 in the West with the roster that OKC was rocking last year that bad? They had no bench whatsoever.
    Or shooters...

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    Hmmm. At this level I think the difference between a 20 PPG guy and a potential 25 PPG guy like Gordon or Butler is actually quite large.
    I think the difference between Gordon and a 25 ppg guy is quite large.
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    As a scoring guard Oladipo is the same as PaulyGold, Butler and Hayward. Where Victor struggles to keep their company is on the glass and on defense, he's just not a lanky, physical wing like the other 3. And while Gordon has never been Butler or Paul on defense, he is a bigger impact than Victor.

    But this is why he's a tier below them. If he wasn't then it would have made the trade for PG just stupid on OKCs part. They did get an upgrade, and not just due to a few years of progress; Oladipo is never going to be as big a star as those 3 virtually identical impact players are (I prefer Butler, but all are in the same realm of impact).

    However if you have Vic and Myles and could get another player of their caliber, plus one ELITE SPECIALIST (like a Dale rebounder or a lock down defender or an assist machine PG) you could easily win a title. Elite players tend to take over, but IMO this is typically because teams don't have the vision to put together a Billups Pistons type team or they catch bad luck and don't keep them all healthy when they need them. Plus it takes a smart coach if you don't have a "just roll the ball out" superstar to carry you past your mistakes.

    But it can be done. The Pacers could reasonably add those 2 other pieces and might need to change the coach (ahem, if Frank wants to return....). This year doesn't seem to be it, but within the next 2 it could come together. And that would make the PG deal a win for Indy, at the very least in terms of a salvage job.


    Also Lance has the talent to be that 3rd guy, but I still have to question his focus and teamwork until proven beyond certainty (last year was not nearly enough evidence). The good news there is we will quickly get to find out how he fits with Vic and CoJo and will be able to deal as needed rather than having to let the experiment drag on. Personally I'm rooting for him cause I love the redemption story and his box office personality.

    But this is about Victor and he's there already. He won't be much more and probably not an AS (although the weak East, ugh) but you'll be glad he's out there as a starter. He's definitely going to put up some highlight plays every week.

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    I mentioned this in a thread on RealGM, but damn... the team they assembled for Africa had dreadful offensive players. The reason why Oladipo and Mudiay had to take most of the shots.

    Oladipo (decent)
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    Sefolosha (no)
    Ibaka (no)
    Capela (no)
    Biyombo (no)
    Schroeder (okay)
    Mbah a Moute (meh)
    Dieng (no)
    Mejri (who???)
    defense was worst than the NBA Allstar game
    Why so SERIOUS

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    Some of you guys are pretty crazy in your idea of what kind of player VO is. I get that he's the shiny new toy in the box but wow.

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    Some of you guys are pretty crazy in your idea of what kind of player VO is. I get that he's the shiny new toy in the box but wow.
    That's how I feel about Celtics fans in general tbh. Setting yourselves up for disappointment. But we'll see who out of the Celtics and Oladipo improves next season.

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    That's how I feel about Celtics fans in general tbh. Setting yourselves up for disappointment. But we'll see who out of the Celtics and Oladipo improves next season.
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    Some of you guys are pretty crazy in your idea of what kind of player VO is. I get that he's the shiny new toy in the box but wow.
    It's all we got....so just let us live in our fantasy world for the next 3 months
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    As a scoring guard Oladipo is the same as PaulyGold, Butler and Hayward. Where Victor struggles to keep their company is on the glass and on defense, he's just not a lanky, physical wing like the other 3. And while Gordon has never been Butler or Paul on defense, he is a bigger impact than Victor.

    But this is why he's a tier below them. If he wasn't then it would have made the trade for PG just stupid on OKCs part. They did get an upgrade, and not just due to a few years of progress; Oladipo is never going to be as big a star as those 3 virtually identical impact players are (I prefer Butler, but all are in the same realm of impact).

    However if you have Vic and Myles and could get another player of their caliber, plus one ELITE SPECIALIST (like a Dale rebounder or a lock down defender or an assist machine PG) you could easily win a title. Elite players tend to take over, but IMO this is typically because teams don't have the vision to put together a Billups Pistons type team or they catch bad luck and don't keep them all healthy when they need them. Plus it takes a smart coach if you don't have a "just roll the ball out" superstar to carry you past your mistakes.

    But it can be done. The Pacers could reasonably add those 2 other pieces and might need to change the coach (ahem, if Frank wants to return....). This year doesn't seem to be it, but within the next 2 it could come together. And that would make the PG deal a win for Indy, at the very least in terms of a salvage job.


    Also Lance has the talent to be that 3rd guy, but I still have to question his focus and teamwork until proven beyond certainty (last year was not nearly enough evidence). The good news there is we will quickly get to find out how he fits with Vic and CoJo and will be able to deal as needed rather than having to let the experiment drag on. Personally I'm rooting for him cause I love the redemption story and his box office personality.

    But this is about Victor and he's there already. He won't be much more and probably not an AS (although the weak East, ugh) but you'll be glad he's out there as a starter. He's definitely going to put up some highlight plays every week.


    I think KP will work more diligently and smartly than Larry did to assemble a contender.

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