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    We are going to resign James Jones and play him primarily at the 2, and trade Fred Jones in a trade for a Center or back up point guard if we are unable to sign Sarunas.

    The other option is, moving JJ over to the 2, moving Freddie over to the 1 and trading AJ.

    I think the best case scenario is moving JJ over to the 2, signing Sarunas, and then trading Fred Jones and AJ.

    But who could we get for Fred and AJ?

    Sorry, this post is quite a ramble, I'm trying to get my thoughts straight about last night and figure out what Larry and Donnie have up their sleeves.

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    I disagree, I think this means JJ is not coming back and that we are throwing the names of Bender, Artest, Foster, Pollard, Jones, AJ, and Jack to see what shooting guard any combo of those players can get.
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    Default Re: I think drafting Granger means...

    I hope your wrong...

    I don't wanna see Jack or Artest leave especially. I think with the addition of Granger we are a good enough ball club, especially if we sign Sarunas, who I think will be a starter very soon.

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    I know that I'm in the minority here, but I would love to see a Artest and Pollard (to make it work) for Peirce trade.

    Making this the lineup.

    Tinsley/AJ/Sarunas or Gill
    Peirce/Fred/Jackson
    Jackson/Granger/Bender
    JO/Foster/Cro/Dale
    Dale/Hulk/Foster/Cro
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    Default Re: I think drafting Granger means...

    Sarunas is waaaaay better then AJ first of all, second of all, I DON'T want Pierce on this team, third of all I think we will see how good Jax can be when he plays shooting guard he's playing out of position when he plays SF, and lastly, Cro at Center?????

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    I know that I'm in the minority here, but I would love to see a Artest and Pollard (to make it work) for Peirce trade.

    Making this the lineup.

    Tinsley/AJ/Sarunas or Gill
    Peirce/Fred/Jackson
    Jackson/Granger/Bender
    JO/Foster/Cro/Dale
    Dale/Hulk/Foster/Cro
    Ooooooo...

    I could like that lineup. Is Jackson really a SF? I thought he was really a SG?

    Not so sure about our defense, but it'd be fun to watch!
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    Default Re: I think drafting Granger means...

    i definitely want sarunas in a pacer uniform next season.

    is JJ capable of playing the 2 guard? if so, then i would like to split the MLE between JJ and sarunas and explore a trade possibilities using freddie and/or AJ.

    when thinking of those trades, two players come to mind......ray allen & magloire.

    if i had to pick, i would probably choose ray allen as i feel we need a outside sharpshooter and solid vet. in our backcourt.....plus foster is actually a very good center.

    if seattle cannot get a contract hammered out with him then a S&T using say jax, pollard, freddie and/or AJ, and pick might work.

    who knows, i think we definitely need to get sarunas and make a play for a better guard or center.

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    Sarunas is waaaaay better then AJ first of all, second of all, I DON'T want Pierce on this team, third of all I think we will see how good Jax can be when he plays shooting guard he's playing out of position when he plays SF, and lastly, Cro at Center?????
    First off, I don't know this Sarunas guy. I'll take your word that he is good, but I would never reward a guy who has never played in the NBA with the primary backup role over a player who was huge part of us making the playoffs last year. So until proven otherwise AJ is a better player.

    Secondly, why exactly do we not want a premeir scorer on this team? The Pacers have always been in desperate need of someone who could create their own shot whenever they wanted. Thats Peirce. The guy has never had a chance to play on a solid team like this, I believe he would flourish.

    Third, Jackson and Peirce would be interchangeable at the 2 and 3. Still IMO Jackson would not be as good at the 2 as multi-allstar Peirce.

    Fourth, Austin Croshere is better at guarding bigger, stronger centers than Jeff Foster who soley uses speed as his defense.
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    Ooooooo...

    I could like that lineup. Is Jackson really a SF? I thought he was really a SG?

    Not so sure about our defense, but it'd be fun to watch!
    I think that would be a great mix of D and offense. Pierce is an upgrade over Reggie on D, and the rest of the starting lineup would be the same as last year in the playoffs which was fine on D. It was our scoring droughts that killed us against both Boston and Detroit.
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    Fourth, Austin Croshere is better at guarding bigger, stronger centers than Jeff Foster who soley uses speed as his defense.
    I don't know about center, but Cro clearly had his best days as a quick PF.
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    I don't know about center, but Cro clearly had his best days as a quick PF.
    Without a doubt, his personal overall best days was when he was a quick PF. Thats how he got his extention. However now that he has put on the muscle, he lost alot but is now better at guarding the power players like Curry, Thomas, Magloire, etc... Better than Foster too, who is better at guarding the finesse/fast players like Garnett, Duncan, Howard, etc...
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    I know that I'm in the minority here, but I would love to see a Artest and Pollard (to make it work) for Peirce trade.

    Making this the lineup.

    Tinsley/AJ/Sarunas or Gill
    Peirce/Fred/Jackson
    Jackson/Granger/Bender
    JO/Foster/Cro/Dale
    Dale/Hulk/Foster/Cro
    I've been thinking the same thing. The writing may be on the wall for Pierce in Beantown now that they have Gerald Green.

    Heck, I'd throw in AJ (a vet backup PG like they want) to go with Artest and Pollard in that trade.
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    DD, sorry but I can not agree even closely.

    Cro will not be here the coming season, no matter what.
    According to reports, Sarunas is better then AJ, but a lot, AJ is on the block, be confident the Pacers have the inside track on Sarunas.
    Ron is not going anywhere, certainly not for Pierce, why trade the best 3 in the game for a 2, while you just aquired a 1-2 combo, have a decent 2 in Jax and a possible 2-3 in JJ and drafted another 2-3-4 in Granger.
    Pollard is a commodity, expiring contract, but his value will be highest at th e trade deadline.
    Depending on the Harrision development over the summer, and the re-siging of DD Foster might get on the table, so will Fred, despite his upside, I have a dark feeling that TPTB are more interested in JJ then FJ and FJ is a good commodity right now.
    Jax might be available if the "right" trade comes along, I think even before they would put Ron on the table, IF anyone would "bid" on Ron.
    If a player like Allen or Redd would be interested, then expect Jax and Foster and perhaps FJ and certainly AJ on the table.
    With DD and Harrison we "might" have a hole, but I have a feeling that if Hulk shows a lot of improvement over the summer, (or has made that improvement already) then I expect them to "gamble" on it.
    I would not be surprised to see something like this as our roster:

    Tins/Sarunas/Gill
    Jax(Allen/Redd)/JJ/Granger
    Artest/Granger/(JB)..
    JO/(JB)/DD/..
    /Harrison/DD/Polly
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    P.S. Pierce's salary over the next 3 years (player option 3rd year) :

    $13,843,157

    $15,101,626

    $16,360,095

    Sorry: he aint worth that kind of money, for less we could give Allen a max deal, S&T and he would do that straight away I feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Dave
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    I know that I'm in the minority here, but I would love to see a Artest and Pollard (to make it work) for Peirce trade.

    Making this the lineup.

    Tinsley/AJ/Sarunas or Gill
    Peirce/Fred/Jackson
    Jackson/Granger/Bender
    JO/Foster/Cro/Dale
    Dale/Hulk/Foster/Cro
    Pierce would likely be the SF in this situation, not Jackson.

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    DD, sorry but I can not agree even closely.

    Cro will not be here the coming season, no matter what.
    According to reports, Sarunas is better then AJ, but a lot, AJ is on the block, be confident the Pacers have the inside track on Sarunas.
    Ron is not going anywhere, certainly not for Pierce, why trade the best 3 in the game for a 2, while you just aquired a 1-2 combo, have a decent 2 in Jax and a possible 2-3 in JJ and drafted another 2-3-4 in Granger.
    Pollard is a commodity, expiring contract, but his value will be highest at th e trade deadline.
    Depending on the Harrision development over the summer, and the re-siging of DD Foster might get on the table, so will Fred, despite his upside, I have a dark feeling that TPTB are more interested in JJ then FJ and FJ is a good commodity right now.
    Jax might be available if the "right" trade comes along, I think even before they would put Ron on the table, IF anyone would "bid" on Ron.
    If a player like Allen or Redd would be interested, then expect Jax and Foster and perhaps FJ and certainly AJ on the table.
    With DD and Harrison we "might" have a hole, but I have a feeling that if Hulk shows a lot of improvement over the summer, (or has made that improvement already) then I expect them to "gamble" on it.
    I would not be surprised to see something like this as our roster:

    Tins/Sarunas/Gill
    Jax(Allen/Redd)/JJ/Granger
    Artest/Granger/(JB)..
    JO/(JB)/DD/..
    /Harrison/DD/Polly
    I wouldn't be so confident that Cro won't be here if I were you. Cro, while having a horrendous contract, is a hard worker. He shows up everyday, sits at the end of the bench knowing he could play somewhere else without saying a word. Puts up with the 5 nights of good play and then a DNP-CD crap without complaint. And most importantly, plays through injuries which is alot of our players are suspect of. What Cro does is so much more important than anything Bender has done in 5 years. If they want to waive someone, they should waive Bender. Not saying they will, but Cro has some valuable qualities.

    Sarunas is only better than AJ once he proves it on an NBA court and not on a good scouting report.

    I think you are fooling yourself if you don't believe that Artest isn't being shopped around. Ask Harmonica. I don't think the Pierce trade will happen not because the Pacers wouldn't do it. I don't think Boston would do it. However now that they have Green that impoves the chances.
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    Pierce would likely be the SF in this situation, not Jackson.
    I said they'd be interchangable. Jack would just guard the better player either at 2 or 3.
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    P.S. Pierce's salary over the next 3 years (player option 3rd year) :

    $13,843,157

    $15,101,626

    $16,360,095

    Sorry: he aint worth that kind of money, for less we could give Allen a max deal, S&T and he would do that straight away I feel.
    I'd take Allen, Pierce, or Redd. I just think we'd have the best shot at Pierce. Redd wants to go to Cleveland, and Allen is getting older and is more injury prone.
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    No way in H*** JJ can stay with more than 1/2 the 2 guards in the league. He's a FORWARD with range. Good shot blocker too.
    He's NOT going to play the 2 spot.

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    I can seriously see Rick going ape-**** if the team tried to cut Croshere.

    Even if he doesn't play much in the games, Croshere is a consumate professional - ready to play when called on, follows the game plan, doesn't complain, keeps his composure, is well liked by his teammates and coaches, and most importantly, if he's had enough minutes to be in a rhythym (and he's healthy), he's very effective in the clutch.

    YES HE'S GROSSLY OVERPAID.

    But so what?? As a season ticket holder, I'd rather be paying for him to be overpaid by and playing for the Pacers, as opposed to overpaid by the Pacers and playing for another contender.
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    I can seriously see Rick going ape-**** if the team tried to cut Croshere.

    Even if he doesn't play much in the games, Croshere is a consumate professional - ready to play when called on, follows the game plan, doesn't complain, keeps his composure, is well liked by his teammates and coaches, and most importantly, if he's had enough minutes to be in a rhythym (and he's healthy), he's very effective in the clutch.

    YES HE'S GROSSLY OVERPAID.

    But so what?? As a season ticket holder, I'd rather be paying for him to be overpaid by and playing for the Pacers, as opposed to overpaid by the Pacers and playing for another contender.
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    I think that would be a great mix of D and offense. Pierce is an upgrade over Reggie on D, and the rest of the starting lineup would be the same as last year in the playoffs which was fine on D. It was our scoring droughts that killed us against both Boston and Detroit.
    I missed this comment earlier. Wow, you could just make me a believer and I'm a Ron fan.
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    OK, so now I'm a hater to, heck it was boudn to happen anyway, so better sooner then later.

    Nonetheless......

    I appreciate Cro more then (f.i.) Bended, HOWEVER........


    Cro's salary over the next 2 years:
    $8,910,000 $9,560,000 Total : $ 18,470,000
    Cro is 30 years old and will not see meaningfull minutes

    Bender over the next 2 years:
    $7,100,000 $7,810,000 Total $ 14,910,000
    Bender is 24 years old and if he does not get "healthy" he can be kept of the team and dumped on an injured player waiver, which also gives us an exception for getting a replacement.

    The Pacers are looking at an 80 million dollar payroll the coming year and despite Miller and Pollard coming of at year end likely a high 70 million one in the next year.
    If the luxury tax kicks in then there's a dollar for dollar fine to pay.
    The pacers would over two years save approximately 30 million dollar in LT by dropping Cro.

    Loyalty, yes, does he deserve to be cut, no, would we still be paying his salary, yes, would he play elsewhere (his salary minusses what P's have to pay) yes, but in the end the question is does management want to risk 30 million additional dollars to keep Cro.

    I think they wont
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