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    Dale Davis article

    Dale Davis: Winning Will Make It Better
    By Jason Fleming
    for HOOPSWORLD.com
    Mar 11, 2004, 07:26 Email this article
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    http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_7553.shtml





    Jason Fleming
    Basketball News Services

    For anyone who has followed the NBA over the past 15 years many names have come and gone, many stars have sparkled and faded, but through it all has been Dale Davis. He has been a model of consistency and toughness, but these days Davis has been relegated to bit part coming off the bench of the Portland Trail Blazers. Double D may not like it, but he is taking the changes in stride and is still positive he can contribute to the team.

    Davis has the numbers and the experience that would make many players jealous. He can look back on a career that is in its thirteenth season spanning two cities - Indianapolis and Portland. He has been an All-Star (in 2000), played in the NBA Finals (where he played Shaquille O'Neal as well as anyone can expect, also in 2000), and he can count legends like Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson, Scottie Pippen, and Arvydas Sabonis among his past teammates.

    Three times Davis led the Atlantic Coast Conference in rebounding while a Clemson Tiger. He was picked number 13 overall by the Pacers in 1991 and helped form the core - with Antonio Davis, Reggie Miller, and Rik Smits - of a Pacer team that was one of the most consistent in the Eastern Conference in the 1990's, outside of Michael Jordan's Bulls. He is the Pacers' all-time leader in field-goal percentage and rebounds; his name is plastered all over their record books in both of those categories as well as in the rankings for blocked shots and double-doubles - he isn't called Double-D for nothing.


    "My Main Concern Is Trying To Win Games"
    In his career Davis has been fairly durable, missing a few games here and there with injuries typical to his tough brand of play; little things like a sore back or a sprained ankle. Despite that, Indiana pulled the trigger on the trade that sent him to Portland for Jermaine O'Neal after their NBA Finals appearance. Unfortunately for Dale, that trade worked out extremely well for Indy and only decently for the Blazers. At the time it was a good deal for both sides but many fans don't remember that: To them Davis is a symbol of the Bob Whitsitt Era of impatience and indulgence and some hold Davis, however wrongly, partially responsible for O'Neal's phenomenal growth outside the reach of the Blazers.

    Despite all of that Davis came to Portland and did what he always did, what he has always known: Played like a warrior. He tore down rebounds, leading the team in glass cleaning the previous three seasons. He brought his trademark stare which can bore into opponents and referees alike. He also brought a big smile and helps facilitate friendly camaraderie, something much needed in a Blazer lockerroom rampant with controversy the past few seasons. In three years as a starter for Portland he averaged 7.8 rebounds a game, something key to the Blazers' success.

    This season has been a huge change for Davis, one he wasn't prepared for and has blindsided him. After starting the season in his normal role as the Blazers' number-one center Davis became a casualty of the phenomenal development of Zach Randolph and the team's desire to have both Rasheed Wallace and Randolph on the floor at the same time. When Darius Miles was brought in from Cleveland Portland had another piece to work into the puzzle, and that piece meant Dale was the odd man out. For the first time in many, many seasons Davis found himself in a bench role.

    When Portland traded Rasheed Wallace, it didn't exactly make things better - in fact, it may have made them worse. Instead of just Wallace and Randolph, Davis found himself looking at the backs of Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Theo Ratliff as well as Randolph. Davis' role seemed to be growing smaller and smaller.

    Talking with Davis it's evident he's frustrated with all the changes and his reduction in playing time. The 5.2 points and 5.8 rebounds a game he averages - which are skewed because he did start 37 games this year - are career lows. He's not doing anything different - he still fights for loose balls, he still hustles after rebounds, and earlier this season even ran the fast break a couple times. His skills are still there, so it's not a matter of whether his age (35) is catching up to him. It's just a matter of too many guys and too few minutes in Portland.

    "I don't really have a choice, you know?" Dale Davis told Basketball News Services. "Basically I just need to figure out a way to keep helping to contribute. At this point we're fighting for the playoffs so anytime I get the opportunity I have to just go out and help this team win."

    Davis doesn't come off as angry when he says these words - it's more matter of fact, like he has accepted things as they are and will adapt to whatever role he needs to take. Not many people could do that with the history Davis has, but he's managing. There was talk before the trade deadline he had asked to be moved - completely understandable considering he could make a difference on some other teams who need a big man and are fighting for a playoff spot. General Manager John Nash told him he wouldn't be traded just to be traded though, and no deal that benefited the Blazers showed up.

    Asked about moving, Davis seemed noncommittal. He acknowledged he still wants to contribute to a team, but he also thinks everything in Portland can work out. The attitude was more along the lines if it happens, it happens, and if not that would be just fine too.

    "At this point I'm not really worried about it," Davis said. "I'm here at least for the rest of the season anyway - I have another year on my contract. I'm not even looking ahead or really thinking about that at this point. My main concern is trying to win games and getting into the playoffs."

    One might think that with the reduction in his role Davis might carry a grudge against the coaching staff that could be perceived as holding him back, but that's not true - he and coach Maurice Cheeks have a pretty good relationship and they talked when Rasheed Wallace was traded about the expectations for Davis and how he was going to fit in with the new players. Davis was clear it was a positive talk and there is nothing to rumors he's been a bit miffed at the coaching staff and the front office for not getting him into a different situation he could possibly contribute to a little more.

    "We talked," Davis said. "His main thing was figuring out a way to make everything work. There were some changes made and I think he's done a pretty decent job of trying to make things work and trying to develop a certain consistency for each player. That's what he's still working on.

    "We're on the same page, no question about it. You know, I would like to be out there more, but when I'm out there I do what I can to help this team win. At this point, like I said, we're fighting for that spot and it's going to take every effort from everyone to make that happen."

    It all comes back to the playoffs for Dale Davis. Only once in his career - the 1996-97 season with Indiana - has Davis not played in the playoffs and he didn't like that. Making the playoffs is important to him, and to the team as a whole.

    The numbers have dropped drastically. He hasn't scored ten points in a game since January 11th. He hasn't topped double digits in rebounds since January 20th. Davis has only reached the 30-minute point in a game twice since that same game. In fact, he hasn't scored more than five points in over a month - February 8th he scored nine.

    As he said though, he is trying to make the most of the limited minutes he gets backing up Ratliff, Randolph, and Abdur-Rahim. And if the playoffs come, how would that make things Dale? Easier?

    "Yeah, that would make life a whole lot easier," Davis smiled, the smile of a man who really is at peace with himself.


    Jason Fleming writes for the NEWS@Hoopsworld team for the Central Division. Questions or comments? Email him!
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  • #2
    Re: Dale Davis article

    No matter what can be said about the way he left here, nobody can question that when he was on the floor for the Pacers he gave it his all.

    He was a presence that to this day we have not replaced.

    The biggest problem I am going to have for years, & hell I may never be able to cure it, is that I am going to compare whoever is being our post defender to Dale.

    I may be overly critical of Jeff Foster because he is not Dale Davis.

    We did a great trade, but we still miss Dale.

    I miss Dale.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    • #3
      Re: Dale Davis article

      I miss Dale.
      Me too I knew you would apreciate the article.

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      • #4
        Re: Dale Davis article

        Dale will always be one of my favorite Pacers of all time. he gave us toughness when the Pacers had none.

        I still remember Dale's first moment on the court as a Pacer. He missed all of training camp and the first few games of the regular season because of a contract dispute. So he did not start his first game, he came off the bench when the other team had the ball and Dale fouled somebody and fouled them hard, and I was smilling from ear to ear.

        I was also at the draft party that summer when the pacers drafted Dale, Donnie Walsh came to the podium to announce who they had just selected and I have never seen DW that fired up nor have I since, he said we drafted the meanest *#@#$ rebounder in the country, Dale Davis, and then DW stormed off the stage. At that point in time it had become custom for the fans at MSA to boo DW's selection, but the fans kinda half cheered because DW was so fired up.





        Dale always answered each interview question by starting his response with the phrase "My mine thing"

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        • #5
          Re: Dale Davis article

          Dale Davis was my wife's favorite player.

          I'm a big guy with wide shoulders, but it seems like my wife was always comparing mine in an unfavorable manner with Dale's.

          ....did what he always did, what he has always known: Played like a warrior. He tore down rebounds, leading the team in glass cleaning the previous three seasons. He brought his trademark stare which can bore into opponents and referees alike....

          This team does miss Dale's defensive prowess in the middle. But as much as anything it misses his swagger and warrior-like mentality. Dale rarely laid a hand on anyone... didn't have to. He could intimidate the hell out of almost every player in the league just by staring at them. That attitude and reputation just made him that much tougher defensively.

          Any opposing player that laid a hand on Reggie knew immediately that his *** was Dale's. Usually not immediately, but a few minutes later, Dale would nail the sucker with one of his patented brick wall picks that he set for Reggie near the baseline.

          Dale may be 35 years old, but I'd take him back right now. Unfortunately, he'll be making $9M next season, the last in his contract. If he's still got something in the tank after that, his approach to the game is exactly what this team needs in the middle.

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          • #6
            Re: Dale Davis article

            he'll be making $9M next season, the last in his contract. If he's still got something in the tank after that, his approach to the game is exactly what this team needs in the middle.
            Austin.

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            • #7
              Re: Dale Davis article

              Getting Dale doesn't seem to be overly popular on this board but I would take him back in a second. He would be a great teacher about not taking any **** from anyone in the paint.

              He'll be back because "he knows where we live".
              The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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              • #8
                Re: Dale Davis article

                Dale's best playoff series was against the Knicks in in the 2000 Eastern conference finals. I don't know the stats but he dominated the game inside, he had several games of 17, 18 rebounds.

                I loved it when Dale got mad, when he got a bad call or someone challanged him, because then Dale would grab every rebound and get that look on his face.

                In Bird's book written when he was the pacers coach, Larry talked about how dale was a guy he never had to worrry about,

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                • #9
                  Re: Dale Davis article

                  I loved it when Dale got mad, when he got a bad call or someone challanged him, because then Dale would grab every rebound and get that look on his face.
                  I had forgotten that about Dale.

                  Many players seem to lose focus or try so hard that they rush things and actually perform worse when they become angry.

                  Dale is one of the few players that I believe elevates his game substantially when he becomes angry.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Dale Davis article

                    My favorite Dale memory is when he tore the protective sleeve off his dislocated shoulder before game #7 of the Knicks series in 1995 and then went out and dominated Patrick and Oak in the paint.

                    "Ring the bell, baby, the witch is dead!" would not have happened without that performance.
                    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                    And life itself, rushing over me
                    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                    • #11
                      Re: Dale Davis article

                      he'll be making $9M next season, the last in his contract. If he's still got something in the tank after that, his approach to the game is exactly what this team needs in the middle.
                      Austin.
                      If I remember right we tried to trade Austin and Scot for Dale before the trade deadline and they wouldn't do it. Not that I blame them, given the way Scot's played this year. But, I would have thought Austin + somebody might have done it. Too bad.
                      You're caught up in the Internet / you think it's such a great asset / but you're wrong, wrong, wrong
                      All that fiber optic gear / still cannot take away the fear / like an island song

                      - Jimmy Buffett

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                      • #12
                        Re: Dale Davis article

                        Oh yeh, the shoulder separation games. There were several where he separated it, went to the locker room and came back and played later in the game.

                        For those of you who are young and don't really know what Dale meant to the Pacers, he was the rock of the franchise, as Reggie said in the ESPN radio interview, Dale was his body guard for many, many years.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Dale Davis article

                          Oh yeh, the shoulder separation games.
                          Technically it was dislocated. Frequently, people confuse the two injuries, myself included. I learned the hard way the difference between those two injuries when I tore up my shoulder in a bicycle accident a couple summers ago. A disclocated shoulder can be "snapped" back into place. Alhough it can be quite painful (eight to twenty on a scale of ten), if nothing is torn the recovery time can be fairly short. A separated shoulder might only hurt at around seven to nine on a scale of ten but even a Grade I separation requires some time in a sling and a lot of physical therapy. Also, shoulder disclocations can be recurring if the socket is "loose" (this was part of Dale's problem, as some of you may recall), but a separation is almost always caused by a trauma (such as when I landed on my elbow at about 22 mph becuase I was more concerned about getting the bumblebee out of my shirt instead of steering and balancing the bicycle. )


                          http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/shou...separation.htm
                          http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/shou...islocation.htm
                          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                          And life itself, rushing over me
                          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                          • #14
                            Re: Dale Davis article

                            OK Peck this is for us (DD fans)...

                            You are Donnie...you've got two deals worked out and sizzling hot to go but can only do one of them. Which do you take:

                            Dale Davis

                            or

                            Eric Dampier?
                            Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Dale Davis article

                              but a separation is almost always caused by a trauma (such as when I landed on my elbow at about 22 mph becuase I was more concerned about getting the bumblebee out of my shirt instead of steering and balancing the bicycle.
                              One of those stories that are funny to tell NOW. Thanks! You brought a smile to my face!

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