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    Default Re: Gilbert "Indiana could have done better than they did"

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    I think in this specific case, "sending PG to Boston for 2018 and 2019 late first round picks" would have made one person around here feel the trade was fantastic.
    That's not fair. Yes, he probably wanted Paul George on the team, but I think he's on record saying Anige was trying to fleece Indiana. In fact, he's the one that got me thinking that Ainge does this all the time. Ainge gets involved in multiple trade discussions, the trade doesn't happen for whatever reason, then Ainge releases all these press comments about how they had the best deal on the table.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    Default Re: Gilbert "Indiana could have done better than they did"

    Hell you make the Denver deal and you can still make the Dangelo Russell deal if you really want a young guy with potential, or Crabbe for free.
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    Default Re: Gilbert "Indiana could have done better than they did"

    The thing is with cap space we can't use it on a mega star. So if we can trade for an emerging star and sign roll playing starters what is the difference? Cap space is space. Space for overpaying like Bird, or manage the space for a trade.

    Crabbe was not available when we traded PG. And if you wanted him, Harris, and Russell then you don't want a lottery pick.

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    Default Re: Gilbert "Indiana could have done better than they did"

    In hindsight, I'm glad that KP made a trade that prevented another superteam from forming in the East.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    Default Re: Gilbert "Indiana could have done better than they did"

    Also if you are worried about Cavs/Celtics building a super team guess what? OKC is one player away from been a super team all thanks to Pritchard's gift to them.
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    That's not fair. Yes, he probably wanted Paul George on the team, but I think he's on record saying Anige was trying to fleece Indiana. In fact, he's the one that got me thinking that Ainge does this all the time. Ainge gets involved in multiple trade discussions, the trade doesn't happen for whatever reason, then Ainge releases all these press comments about how they had the best deal on the table.

    At some point when a GM gets a phone call and they tell him it is Ainge they are just going to hang up. That may be the case already around the league.
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    Also if you are worried about Cavs/Celtics building a super team guess what? OKC is one player away from been a super team all thanks to Pritchard's gift to them.
    The idea there is with so many superteams in the West you let them cannibalize each other rather get eaten in the East. Sure you might have to face one of the West teams eventually in the playoffs, but that would be the Finals.

    Plus, KP seems sure PG is going to LA, so the point is moot.

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    Also if you are worried about Cavs/Celtics building a super team guess what? OKC is one player away from been a super team all thanks to Pritchard's gift to them.
    They're a possible superteam in the Western Conference...not our problem.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    Also if you are worried about Cavs/Celtics building a super team guess what? OKC is one player away from been a super team all thanks to Pritchard's gift to them.
    1 It was not a gift
    2 It is out west and not a threat to the Pacers
    3 Getting that third superstar this year or next is a looonnngg shot
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    3 Getting that third superstar this year or next is a looonnngg shot
    They would have to get rid of a ton more horrible contracts to make it work.

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    Also if you are worried about Cavs/Celtics building a super team guess what? OKC is one player away from been a super team all thanks to Pritchard's gift to them.
    They couldn't do it with Westbrook/Harden/Durant. Not sure I'm all panicked about Westbrook/PG/player_to_be_gained_later.
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    Default Re: Gilbert "Indiana could have done better than they did"

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    They couldn't do it with Westbrook/Harden/Durant. Not sure I'm all panicked about Westbrook/PG/player_to_be_gained_later.
    Man, I would be shocked if Paul George even stays. I applaud OKC for taking the risk, because I know that I wouldn't have unless it was a guaranteed trip to the Finals.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    I liked the trade before. I love it now.

    The fact we did not help build another super team in the East makes this trade a win just from that standpoint alone. The fact that the Cavs were counting on it makes me even happier.
    Same with the Celtics.

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    The idea there is with so many superteams in the West you let them cannibalize each other rather get eaten in the East. Sure you might have to face one of the West teams eventually in the playoffs, but that would be the Finals.

    Plus, KP seems sure PG is going to LA, so the point is moot.


    Pretty much making my point, what a better way to destroy Cleveland but sending them a player that is leaving next year and leaving them with nothing?
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    Pretty much making my point, what a better way to destroy Cleveland but sending them a player that is leaving next year and leaving them with nothing?
    They're destroying themselves. They don't need our help.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    Default Re: Gilbert "Indiana could have done better than they did"

    I read his comment as: he's Paul George and he's worth more than that, and we really wanted him... especially as I watch my team go down in flames.

    All of that is true. Not sure why Pritchard is being criticized for this. At one point, everyone presumed that we had to accept whatever poo-poo platter Magic Johnson offered us. We have no idea what the conversations were actually about.

    Let's move on, the deal has been made, and we need to make the best of it.

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    Not sure why Pritchard is being criticized for this.
    Because some need to trash TPTB, without the knowledge behind the scenes, in order to toot their own horn. They will find anything as arsenal to make people look bad so that they don't look as bad.

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    Man, I would be shocked if Paul George even stays. I applaud OKC for taking the risk, because I know that I wouldn't have unless it was a guaranteed trip to the Finals.
    It cost the Thunder assets that they were willing to give up for a 1 year shot at making a Western Conference Playoff run. PG13 > Dipo and Sabonis may ( or may not ) be an long term asset but not a deal breaker nor an asset that they can't easily replace ( given that they have Adams and Kanter ). At best, they make a 2nd round playoff push. At worst, they don't make it....they lose both Westbrook and PG13 but have cleared Dipo's contract from the books for a full reset next season. It's a risk, but not a huge risk given that they positioned themselves for a full reset if needed.
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    you'll be hard pressed to find anyone outside of PD that thinks Indiana won or even broke even in the trade. vo is mediocre/overpaid and sabonis was very very meh his rookie year.

    that being said.. gilbert shouldn't be commenting on transactions outside of his own. poor business
    I agree, but journalists are all about the "hot take" and many tend to not think through their takes. Give it a year and then see what a lot of journalists say about the trade.
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    Default Re: Gilbert "Indiana could have done better than they did"

    We are hoping to win this trade next season, not this season. And that could happen. But we lost this trade for this year. And that isn't on KP, it is on PG and Bird.

    If PG leaves for LAL. The Thunder fan will blame Presti and PG.

    In two years, if we are left with Victor and Sabonis and the Thunder are left with a 2nd round exit. We win the trade.

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    It cost the Thunder assets that they were willing to give up for a 1 year shot at making a Western Conference Playoff run. PG13 > Dipo and Sabonis may ( or may not ) be an long term asset but not a deal breaker nor an asset that they can't easily replace ( given that they have Adams and Kanter ). At best, they make a 2nd round playoff push. At worst, they don't make it....they lose both Westbrook and PG13 but have cleared Dipo's contract from the books for a full reset next season. It's a risk, but not a huge risk given that they positioned themselves for a full reset if needed.
    I think overall the thunder have been bleeding talent for awhile now which is why it doesn't make much sense. They will literally have no assets besides Steve Adams and a very late first after this year if Westbrook and PG leave.

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    you'll be hard pressed to find anyone outside of PD that thinks Indiana won or even broke even in the trade. vo is mediocre/overpaid and sabonis was very very meh his rookie year.

    that being said.. gilbert shouldn't be commenting on transactions outside of his own. poor business

    Anyone who was expecting Indiana to win at a trade with Paul George when he's made it very clear he wants to leave and head to LA is out of their mind.

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    Well, what did Gilbert get the 1st time LeBron left ?? What's he in line to get the 2nd time LeBron leaves ??

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    Well, what did Gilbert get the 1st time LeBron left ?? What's he in line to get the 2nd time LeBron leaves ??
    A team in the tax. And years of tanking.

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    Anyone who was expecting Indiana to win at a trade with Paul George when he's made it very clear he wants to leave and head to LA is out of their mind.
    You know what? Your post sums it up. Did anyone expect anything of significance from a Paul George? I REALLY thought the LA offer was about as good as it was going to get.


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