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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Mark Monteith's NBA mock draft

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    Mark Monteith's NBA mock draft

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...0403/506260448

    Mark Monteith's NBA mock draft


    1. Milwaukee: Andrew Bogut

    Height: 7-0, Weight: 245, Position: C, School: Utah, Bucks desperate for a big man, and he wowed them in his interview

    2. Atlanta: Marvin Williams

    Height: 6-9, Weight: 230, Position: F, School: North Carolina, Hawks prefer him over Bogut anyway; most potential in the draft

    3. Portland: Gerald Green

    Height: 6-8, Weight: 200, Position: SG, School: Gulf Shores Academy, Blazers looking to trade this pick; if so, Chris Paul could go here

    4. New Orleans: Chris Paul

    Height: 6-0, Weight: 175, Position: PG, School: Wake Forest, Hornets need to replace Baron Davis, and he fits their style

    5. Charlotte: Raymond Felton

    Height: 6-1, Weight: 198, Position: PG, School: North Carolina, Bobcats also need a point guard, and this Tar Heel brings a local angle

    6. Utah Deron: Williams

    Height: 6-3, Weight: 195, Position: PG, School: Illinois, Jazz get an instant starter with three-year college veteran

    7. Toronto: Danny Granger

    Height: 6-8, Weight: 225, Position: SF, School: New Mexico, Stock rose dramatically in postseason workouts

    8. New York: Channing Frye

    Height: 6-11, Weight: 248, Position: C, School: Arizona, Knicks will go big; Fran Vazquez also a possibility

    9. Golden State: Ike Diogu

    Height: 6-8, Weight: 250, Position: PF, School: Arizona State, Ready-made front-line player would provide needed toughness

    10. Los Angeles Lakers: Fran Vazquez

    Height: 6-10, Weight: 238, Position: C, Country: Spain, Phil Jackson wants immediate help, and Vazquez fits the mode

    11. Orlando: Antoine Wright

    Height: 6-7, Weight: 210, Position: SG, School: Texas A&M, Magic fill a need with second-best shooting guard prospect

    12. Los Angeles Clippers: Yaroslav Korolev

    Height: 6-9, Weight: 203, Position: SF, Country: Russia, Great prospect but only 17; needs more time in NBDL or Europe

    13. Charlotte (from Cleveland): Sean May

    Height: 6-9, Weight: 266, Position: PF, School: North Carolina, Another local player for the Bobcats and a top prospect

    14. Minnesota: Martell Webster

    Height: 6-7, Weight: 210, Position: SG, School: Seattle Prep, Too promising to pass up, and Wolves need to replenish backcourt

    15. New Jersey: Hakim Warrick

    Height: 6-9, Weight: 219, Position: PF, School: Syracuse, Four-year collegian fills a glaring need on Nets' front line

    16. Toronto: Andrew Bynum

    Height: 7-0, Weight: 285, Position: C, School: St. Joseph H.S., Raptors need a center and this one has star potential -- some day

    17. Indiana: Francisco Garcia

    Height: 6-7, Weight: 195, Position: SG, School: Louisville, Built like Reggie Miller, and one of draft's best shooters

    18. Boston: Joey Graham

    Height: 6-7, Weight: 225, Position: SF, School: Oklahoma State, Athletic wing player can step in and help immediately

    19. Memphis: Jarrett Jack

    Height: 6-3, Weight: 202, Position: PG, School: Georgia Tech, Grizzlies want to trade Jason Williams, and Jack fits a need

    20. Denver: Chris Taft

    Height: 6-10, Weight: 260, Position: PF, School: Pittsburgh, Lottery-caliber talent and athleticism, questionable intangibles

    21. Phoenix: Ryan Gomes

    Height: 6-7, Weight: 250, Position: SF, School: Providence, Versatile forward plays taller than his height, and fits Suns' style

    22. Denver: Ersan Ilyasova

    Height: 6-9, Weight: 235, Position: SF, Country: Turkey, Nuggets can afford to let 18-year-old play another year in Europe

    23. Sacramento: Julius Hodge

    Height: 6-7, Weight: 210, Position: SG, School: N.C. State, Aggressive, athletic combo guard can help Kings quickly

    24. Houston: Wayne Simien

    Height: 6-9, Weight: 255, Position: PF, School: Kansas, Safe pick for team looking to fill in around Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady

    25. Seattle: Martynas Andriuskevicius

    Height: 7-2, Weight: 240, Position: C, Country: Lithuania, This 19-year-old is a draft wild card who could go about anywhere

    26. Detroit: Andray Blatche

    Height: 6-11, Weight: 235, Position: PF, School: South Kent Prep, Co-MVP of Jordan Classic is versatile prospect with big potential

    27. Utah: Johan Petro

    Height: 7-0, Weight: 247, Position: C, Country: France, Only 19, but could become legitimate center if given time to develop

    28. San Antonio: Mile Ilic

    Height: 7-1, Weight: 230, Position: C, Country: Bosnia, Spurs have track record of success with international picks

    29. Miami: Rashad McCants

    Height: 6-4, Weight: 207, Position: SG, School: North Carolina, Lottery talent, but questionable maturity; high-risk, high-reward pick

    30. New York: Charlie Villanueva

    Height: 6-11, Weight: 240, Position: PF, School: Connecticut, Versatile front-line player could help Knicks immediately
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    Re: Mark Monteith's NBA mock draft

    I saw this today. Villanueva at 30? I seriously doubt that. If he were to fall to 17 we'd be stupid not to pick him. Felton over Deron Williams? I think not.

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      Re: Mark Monteith's NBA mock draft

      diamond dave00 has convinced me that I want McCants over Garcia. Hell, if we're gonna have Artest then why not add McCants if he has a clear talent superiority over Garcia. I think Bird might be thinking the same way, when he said that "we'll take the good with the bad."

      I'm gonna laugh and feel bad for the Knick fans if they draft Fran Vasquez. The Knicks always need a big man, and always draft some unknown foreigner that never works out.
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      • #4
        Re: Mark Monteith's NBA mock draft

        nice car, Jesus.

        and nice hood ornament.
        The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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        • #5
          Re: Mark Monteith's NBA mock draft

          The hood ornament is available at Pep Boyz for $9.99 plus tax.













          Unfortunately it's only printed on one side.
          Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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          • #6
            Re: Mark Monteith's NBA mock draft

            Originally posted by Diamond Dave
            I'm gonna laugh and feel bad for the Knick fans if they draft Fran Vasquez. The Knicks always need a big man, and always draft some unknown foreigner that never works out.
            Yeah, or worse if the player is any good ... they trade him on draft night (Nene ).

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            2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

            2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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            • #7
              Re: Mark Monteith's NBA mock draft

              I'm with the Diamond Daves on this one.

              You can't pass up on Rashad's talent-level. I think you have to go with him...I'm a big proponent of drafting the guy with the most talent at that position - regardless of past injuries, suspect behaviour, etc.

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              • #8
                Re: Mark Monteith's NBA mock draft

                Originally posted by rcarey
                I'm with the Diamond Daves on this one.

                You can't pass up on Rashad's talent-level. I think you have to go with him...I'm a big proponent of drafting the guy with the most talent at that position - regardless of past injuries, suspect behaviour, etc.
                While I agree with you I think that with that once in a lifetime incident the Pacers really should stay away from players who have suspect behaviour. But it sounds like Larry has known Rashard for 2 years so he should have a pretty good idea of what type of person he is.

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                • #9
                  Re: Mark Monteith's NBA mock draft

                  Plus the last thing I want to see is McCants join Shaq and Wade. If McCants pans out, we would just be destroyed by that Justice League. Superman, The Flash, and whatever superhero name they assign to McCants. Probably The Martian Manhunter.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Mark Monteith's NBA mock draft

                    Originally posted by Diamond Dave
                    diamond dave00 has convinced me that I want McCants over Garcia. Hell, if we're gonna have Artest then why not add McCants if he has a clear talent superiority over Garcia. I think Bird might be thinking the same way, when he said that "we'll take the good with the bad."

                    I'm gonna laugh and feel bad for the Knick fans if they draft Fran Vasquez. The Knicks always need a big man, and always draft some unknown foreigner that never works out.
                    Another thing is the Knicks have the 8th pick and there is supposed to be a curse of the 8th pick. Go through previous drafts and look at the 8th pick..pretty much all of them have been busts. The closest thing to a success is Andre Miller.

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