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    Default Re: The talent drop at small forward is massive... but what about the other positions?

    The factors I see helping us:

    Better shooters overall
    Better fit
    Lance the entire year
    Myles with another year under his belt
    Better quality depth
    Motivated players - Paul was not motivated

    So yes, I expect the regular season to be similar. Paul was mailing it in quite a bit last year.

    I am less convinced we make any more noise in the playoffs. That is TBD and depends on how this team fits together.
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    Default Re: The talent drop at small forward is massive... but what about the other positions?

    Golden State top 4 players

    Steph Curry
    Kevin Durant
    Draymond Green
    Klay Thompson

    Pacers top 4 players

    Myles Turner
    Thad Young
    Victor Oladipo
    Darren Collison

    Golden state not the only team with a big 4. Look out. The gap between Kevin Durant and thad young is so slim.
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    Default Re: The talent drop at small forward is massive... but what about the other positions?

    It all depends on how this roster shakes out. There's a lot of positional question marks.

    Dipo and Turner are locked in, but who starts at the 1? Who starts at the 3 and 4? These are legit questions, to which the answers can put us on completely different paths.

    Collison is a known entity, and he had a really nice press conference, showed me a lot. He seems to like it here. He's a 14/5 guy on most nights. Not bad. Cojo is the more interesting, younger, "grow with the core" option, however. So it all depends on what Nate does --- if he decides to stick with the veteran and let CoJo continue to backup, it makes things awkward, if you ask me. But it also does the same vice versa. Collison clearly indicated he wanted to start and lead, and if he ends up backing up, what does that do? I like the guy, but I sorta like him off the bench. And then, is CoJo actually ready to start? My gut says ya, but he's not actually been the starter in this league yet, so... Big question marks here for me.

    At the 3, they've stated Bojan is the starter. I can see that working, and I can see it not working. If he's having a CJ Miles-type of season, where he's crazy hot one game and crazy not the next game, that makes things challenging for us. His defense is suspect, imo. GR3 is a good 3D guy, and doesn't require a lot of shots to be happy. How this shakes out is also a huge questionmark for me.

    Then you got our 4 position. It just feels like Young is Old, doesn't it? He's not, but compared to the rest of this movement, he seems like he's out of sync. But management might also be looking at him being our veteran presence, along with Collison, to stabilize the youth. I just don't see him backing anyone up, if he's still on the roster. But I feel like Leaf or Sabonis is our future there. A part of me wants to throw them in and see what happens, and get that development progressing. It will be hard to do if Young is getting 35 mpg. So again, I'm conflicted.

    And then you got Lance. He deserves to be on the floor, but where? It felt like they were possibly going to put him at PG, which was actually a very interesting idea, and then they went and landed 2 more PGs. I was like, okay? That sends some mixed signals. And he's a good SG, but we got Dipo, who should clearly be starting. Put him at the 3? Maybe... we have 2 guys, though, who are probably better at that position. Lance all of a sudden feels like odd man out, but you know they'll end up giving him a lot of minutes, and possibly at the end of games, so who can say where that is going....

    I could see the following line-up from Nate based on veteran presence:

    Collison/CoJo on very level minutes, possibly even shared with Lance
    Dipo/Lance
    Bogan/GR3
    Young/Sabonis/Leaf
    Turner/Seraphin/Al

    And that might be our best line-up to start, but if things go how I think they will with that line-up, and we start turning an eye to the future, it's not hard to cut the fat with Collison/Bog/Young/Jefferson, and go lean towards the following youth movement:

    CoJo/Lance
    Dipo/Lance
    GR3/Bog/Lance
    Sabonis/Leaf
    Turner/Seraphin

    And just go all-out youth, and let them grow together. To me, SF is our big hole, our questionmarks are more question-marky there. I like GR3, but is he the guy I want as we push towards contending? Is Bojan that guy? My confidence doesn't soar here. I feel like we have our likely future in Dipo/Lance/Sabonis/Leaf/Turner, and PG/SF are our positions of fluidity until next year or two was we continue to move pieces.

    Btw, in most scenarios I can think of, assuming Lance isn't starting, which I think could work, I could see Lance contending for 6th man of the year. If he embraces that role, he could really do some things this year.

    Back to Dipo and Turner, I think these two are clearly our best players, based on past achievements, but also based on projected growth. Dipo is a top-flight athlete, the likes of which we probably haven't seen on this team --- ever. His speed/strength and drive at that position are unlike any previous Pacer I've seen. He's such a live-wire, so fast end-to-end, that I feel he's honestly in that John Wall/Russ Westbrook category of athleticism, and I thought that before he came here. His tenacity attacking the paint, on the break, and finishing around the rim are very exciting to think about. He also appears to have worked on his body this off-season, which is sort of frightening for the league. He's out of Russ's shadow, and he's back "home", so health assumed, it wouldn't be hard to see him pushing a 20/5/5 season and a fringe All-Star player.

    Turner is also a physical freak. I foresee him continuing to fill-out and gain strength while keeping that agility. Gain some post ability while maintaining that outside ability, and start to anchor the offense. I really see him becoming a force in this league, and likely this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him also push towards that 20ppg mark, while also pushing towards 10rpg and 3-5apg. That might not all happen this year, but that is where I see his game going within the next few years. A 20/10/5 guy. I'll take that every day of the week. I could easily see him at 18/9/3 this next year.

    If we can see Dipo and Turner push towards that 20ppg mark, it gives us a pretty good nucleus of young offensive guys to build around. In the least, I really enjoy watching those two guys, even if for now it could be in losing efforts. Both are just fun guys to watch, and both are good for some highlight-reel dunks. I do look forward to these guys feeding each other, they all are very dynamic in that regard... Turner is an under-rated passer and playmaker, and I could see him making plays for others, while also finishing for others. Dipo and Lance and Turner... seriously, there's gonna be some magic there. CoJo and DC can even flash some flair.

    Anyway, I foresee that this group could be decent, but I also foresee some early rough patches as they work things out.
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    The more I read and look, the more I want to see the youth movement start now. I favor the 3 man rotation at each position.

    Guards= CoJo, VC, Lance
    Smal F= GR3, Born, Leaf
    Pwer F= Sabonis, Turner, Young
    Center= Ike, Seph, Al's replacement

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    I honestly have no idea what to expect. I'm interested to see how all elements work themselves out. I'm particularly interested in the front court. Will Thad be here? Will he start? What about Sabonis? I haven't see that much of him, but he seems like a guy who could play 4 or 5. Perhaps a guy who could be really effective as a C in matchups against opposing second units. As a 4, his game seems like it would complement Myles reasonably well, though. Do we set up a rotation that allows him to get time at 5 with Thad or Leaf and 4 with Myles? Is it possible? And what of Jefferson and Seraphin? The former I assume will be bench fodder. The latter could figure prominently off the bench. Is there any combination in which Thad can play a few minutes at 3? Seems unlikely.
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    I honestly have no idea what to expect. I'm interested to see how all elements work themselves out. I'm particularly interested in the front court. Will Thad be here? Will he start? What about Sabonis? I haven't see that much of him, but he seems like a guy who could play 4 or 5. Perhaps a guy who could be really effective as a C in matchups against opposing second units. As a 4, his game seems like it would complement Myles reasonably well, though. Do we set up a rotation that allows him to get time at 5 with Thad or Leaf and 4 with Myles? Is it possible? And what of Jefferson and Seraphin? The former I assume will be bench fodder. The latter could figure prominently off the bench. Is there any combination in which Thad can play a few minutes at 3? Seems unlikely.
    I would be surprised if Thad is not here. He has the most experience on the team at playing PF. If Sabonis beats him out as the starting PF, Thad would still be a good guy to have coming off the bench.

    I am curious how the bigs will play out. Seraphin is our 2nd best rim protector, but I don't know how we are going to get him significant minutes without cutting minutes from one of our key players or a young player that needs minutes.

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    Default Re: The talent drop at small forward is massive... but what about the other positions?

    If thad is here, he is starting. It is in the Pacers best interest to flip him for a pick or prospect. Showcase him in the first half of the season.

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