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Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.

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  • #16
    Re: Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.

    We dont need what we could get in a trade we need Al. We clearly dont need Thinder.

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    • #17
      Re: Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.

      Agreed WIll...somebody needs to whisper to AL...Dale Davis...Antonio Davis...just to remind him where they are today and the success their teams have had..
      Dunno as I'd whisper AD too much. Yeah, he's with the Bulls now and last year Toronto sucked but he also made the all-star team and helped take his team within 2 pts of of the finals a couple of years back.
      The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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      • #18
        Why is it....

        ... that when the media has something bad to say about Al you guys take it as the absolute truth?

        To set the record straight read what Al said recently.

        There have been rumblings in the press that you want to be
        a starter - is Indiana the place for you?

        Indiana is the place for me. I started my career here and I would love to finish it here. I just want the team to play hard. Starting is in my near future so I’m not going to worry about it.


        He said that on Jan 10, on his website.

        I doubt Al is the big whiner people make him out to be. The media interviews players and when they talk to Al they ask him about starting and he gives them an honest answer instead of what we want to hear.
        The Media reads PD and other forums and knows its an issue for US and continues to write about it, and then we whine about it even more.

        Al set the record straight, he is going to be here and he is going to start here in the near future, probably when Reggie retires.
        Donnie isn't going to trade Al, he is core and we are 32-11 with Al, any GM would be stupid to trade him.

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        • #19
          Re: Why is it....

          ... that when the media has something bad to say about Al you guys take it as the absolute truth?

          To set the record straight read what Al said recently.

          There have been rumblings in the press that you want to be
          a starter - is Indiana the place for you?

          Indiana is the place for me. I started my career here and I would love to finish it here. I just want the team to play hard. Starting is in my near future so I’m not going to worry about it.


          He said that on Jan 10, on his website.

          I doubt Al is the big whiner people make him out to be. The media interviews players and when they talk to Al they ask him about starting and he gives them an honest answer instead of what we want to hear.
          The Media reads PD and other forums and knows its an issue for US and continues to write about it, and then we whine about it even more.

          Al set the record straight, he is going to be here and he is going to start here in the near future, probably when Reggie retires.
          Donnie isn't going to trade Al, he is core and we are 32-11 with Al, any GM would be stupid to trade him.
          Thank you. And lest we forget, we are talking about Peter "Snowjob" Vescey.

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          • #20
            Re: Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.

            Let me begin by stating that Al is not in the same defensive class as Ron by a long shot, those who heard Slick last will confirm that he had little good word for Al's defensive capabilities in several occassions.

            That out of the way, despite the fact that Al's play sometimes makes me want to trade his arse out of here on the spot, I still think we should not let him go,
            He wants to start, tough luck, why it is so important to him (and only him) is beyond my comprehension, he is not of the same quality of JO, so he can't replace him, he can not play C so he can't replace Jeff, he is not as good as Ron on either end of the floor (include the Ast count) so he can't be ahead of Ron, Reggie ? Al as SG ? mouahhahaha, and let's not discuss the point.

            Al is where he should be, a very important role player, he is not star material, despite his own mind set, and that mindset will kill his career faster then a sniper if he keeps it up, He is not capable of carrying a team night after night, unproven in crunch play (if anything is proven it's the fact he is not there) so becoming the "star" PF elsewhere is not really an option, unless he goes to the "siberian" teams. If that is what he wants, then by all means, at the end of his contract he is free to go where ever he wants. If he wants a trade in the meanwhile then it is up to LB and DW to accept what is offered or not.

            Trading Ron is even more nonsense, we are talking about the league's best defender who in his young career has shown he's no slouch on offense either, can dish with the best, he is here for the long haul with very little "but and ifs".

            If Al and JO are such "good" friends (which i'm starting to doubt) then why the &^%$&$ does he not accept his role and ride with this team to several rings? they can do it, that is for sure, look at their age and imagine them all on their peak at around 28, can you tell me ONE team that could compete?

            If he feels he's underpaid then he should come out and say so, but not this crap about starting, because that is only to get more money in the end, he might darned well make the "davis" here, thinking he will get more after being traded and ending up on the "has been" and "could've been" and "showed such great promise" lists with less money and playing time then he has now.
            So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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            • #21
              Re: Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.

              Vescey has more rumors than a thirteen year old girl at a slumber party...and he's been about as accurate for the last few years.

              I'm sure Al would like to be a starter and get that recognition...but I'm sure he realizes his time is coming..., but right now he's in a good situation on a very good team...with potential to go deep into the playoffs, (where players make names for themselves) he's 3rd in minutes on the team...and He'll most likely get the 6th man award.

              also, what has trading Bender got to do with anything... it wouldn't open up a starting role for Al.

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              • #22
                Re: Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.

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                That out of the way, despite the fact that Al's play sometimes makes me want to trade his arse out of here on the spot, I still think we should not let him go,
                He wants to start, tough luck, why it is so important to him (and only him) is beyond my comprehension, he is not of the same quality of JO, so he can't replace him, he can not play C so he can't replace Jeff, he is not as good as Ron on either end of the floor (include the Ast count) so he can't be ahead of Ron, Reggie ? Al as SG ? mouahhahaha, and let's not discuss the point.

                Al is where he should be, a very important role player, he is not star material, despite his own mind set, and that mindset will kill his career faster then a sniper if he keeps it up, He is not capable of carrying a team night after night, unproven in crunch play (if anything is proven it's the fact he is not there) so becoming the "star" PF elsewhere is not really an option, unless he goes to the "siberian" teams. If that is what he wants, then by all means, at the end of his contract he is free to go where ever he wants. If he wants a trade in the meanwhile then it is up to LB and DW to accept what is offered or not.
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                I think thats unfair. He has done everything that has been asked of him. He gives us a consistent 12-15points every night, he gives us 7bds a game, hes improved his mid range jumper, improved his defense over last season, hes trying to become a better all around player. Defensively hes very good, hes not a stopper but can contain people. I think he can be a star. If he was starting he would probably be getting 17pts and 9 bds every night, I believe hes a better offensive player then Artest is, who in my oppinion they run the offense way to much through.

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                • #23
                  Re: Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.

                  Just a reminder that Ron is averaging 18ppg on the season right now.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.


                    Obviously, something next season, will have to be done. I don't know what that is yet though.
                    Honestly I think everybody is make a big deal about Al Harrington starting. I will be very surprised if Reggie is starting next year anyway. I think they will just move Artest to the shooting guard spot and Al will play the 3. Of course our perimiter shooting will suffer a little bit but these two will make up for it in other areas. Our roster might have to be balanced out a little bit, but I don't believe there going to move Ron or Al unless somebody blows them away with an offer.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.

                      I credit this to wild Vescey speculation. Sometimes he's on it, most of the time he is not. I would take more from Al's own website than what Mr. Pete has to say on the subject.

                      Of course AH isn't thrilled about not starting. IMO, Al wants to be recognized/respected as a quality starting forward in this league. He's not getting that right now. That's more important to him than the amount of minutes/ppg/6th man honors, etc. that he receives. However, I think he's grown enough to realize he's going to be a starter in this league, on this team, and in the near future.

                      It's obvious we have a glut at the forward spot. This is a good problem. I would bet that we do nothing before this trade deadline or this off-season to move either Al or Ron. Moving one of these guys for a quality guard shifts the strength of our team and, IMO, considerably weakens our front court. What happens if we move Al and Ron gets hurt? Suddenly we have JB as a starter, assuming he's not injured, backed up by Croshere and James Jones?

                      No thank you. And I think LB and/or DW would use the same logic.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.

                        Al is where he should be, a very important role player, he is not star material, despite his own mind set . . .
                        I really, really, disagree with this statement! He's already a minor star, and I think he will be a major star. To put things in perspective I think Artest is at all-star level, soon to be a major star, and I think JO is already a major star soon to have his name uttered as much as the other O'Neal.

                        This is Al's Stats against the best teams in the league. (last ten games against the best)

                        TEAM . . . MIN . . . PTS . . . REB . . . ST . . . AST

                        MIN...........27.........9...........10.........1. ........6
                        LAL...........31.........18..........10.........0. ........0
                        SAC..........38.........17..........9...........0. ........1
                        DET..........20..........8...........8...........0 .........0
                        MIN..........26..........11..........5...........0 .........1
                        NJ.............40.........22..........7........... 0.........3
                        DAL..........36..........16.........10..........5. ........1
                        SAS..........34..........17..........7...........1 .........1
                        SAS..........26..........4............6........... 2.........3
                        NJ.............39..........15..........12......... .2........2
                        TOT..........31.7.......13.7.......8.4.........1.1 ......1.8

                        S. AVE......30.9.......13.0.......6.6.........0.8.... ..1.9

                        I think his stats against the best prove Al's on his way to major stardom. When the Pacers took their winning streak into L.A. against the Lakers it was Al who had team highs with 18 points and 10 rebounds.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.

                          I'm not convienced that Al wants to leave but if he did want to leave so that he can start that is fine. It's his career. If I were at a job were I didn't think I was making as much as I should, getting the recognition I should be getting or given the responsiblities I want--I would consider working somewhere else.

                          For the record Al would be the stopper on most teams. We are fortunate to have a tandum of defenders like Ron and Al. On any team except Dallas, GS and maybe Portland Al would be starting. Al is a much more explosive scorer than Ron when Al is on the other team can't guard him. I can't say that about Ron yet.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.

                            It seems Al's ego is alot bigger than his game. If he did say he wants to be "the man" I'm all for trading him, as long as we get a top flight player back.
                            "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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                            • #29
                              Re: Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.

                              It seems Al's ego is alot bigger than his game. If he did say he wants to be "the man" I'm all for trading him, as long as we get a top flight player back.
                              Isn't this statement a little inconsistant? If I read this right on the one hand you are saying Al is not that good or at least not as good as he thinks he is (whatever that is) & on the other hand you are saying you would only trade him for one of the better players in the league.

                              Does that make sense? If Al isn't that good why would teams give up a top flight player for him?


                              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                              • #30
                                Re: Vecsey says Al wants to play in NY.

                                Isn't this statement a little inconsistant? If I read this right on the one hand you are saying Al is not that good or at least not as good as he thinks he is (whatever that is) & on the other hand you are saying you would only trade him for one of the better players in the league.

                                Does that make sense? If Al isn't that good why would teams give up a top flight player for him?
                                that is vecsey being a jag...

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