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    Myles was kind of bad last year in my opinion he was one of the weak links on the team.
    14.5, 7.3, 2 blocks a game, 55% shooting, 35% on 3s is 'kind of bad' ??

    I guess I hope he attains 'kind of good' level.

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    Myles was kind of bad last year in my opinion he was one of the weak links on the team.
    He was bad the last third of the year. But he definitely wasn't the first 2/3. Can't ignore 2/3 the season.
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    There you have it. Monta was good, Myles was weak. Nothing anyone can say can change his mind. Even Myles being an elite player, vnzla will find one point, magnify it, and ignore all the other points. He has dug down deep. Like he did with West and Paul this past year.
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    14.5, 7.3, 2 blocks a game, 55% shooting, 35% on 3s is 'kind of bad' ??

    I guess I hope he attains 'kind of good' level.
    51% shooting, not 55. For the record.
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    And there you have it, folks. No star player in the history of the NBA ever had a bad sophomore year in the league. QED.
    Well he is the next Shaq so...
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    I, for one, hope Myles continues to be kind of bad. Maybe he'll even improve enough to be average! He'd be a stud then.

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    I'm kind of in the middle on Myles. I think he's a good young player that has plenty of upside left in him. He's also got the right kind of attitude, which I think enhances his value to many.

    But he's not AD, KAT or any of the other can't miss big prospects.

    Ultimately I think he makes a few AS teams but falls short of Superstar/elite status

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    I'm kind of in the middle on Myles. I think he's a good young player that has plenty of upside left in him. He's also got the right kind of attitude, which I think enhances his value to many.

    But he's not AD, KAT or any of the other can't miss big prospects.

    Ultimately I think he makes a few AS teams but falls short of Superstar/elite status
    That would make him like top 5 pacer of all time
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    I'm kind of in the middle on Myles. I think he's a good young player that has plenty of upside left in him. He's also got the right kind of attitude, which I think enhances his value to many.

    But he's not AD, KAT or any of the other can't miss big prospects.

    Ultimately I think he makes a few AS teams but falls short of Superstar/elite status
    What sucks is people only looks at one side of the ball. Myles is 15th in DRPM among centers, was one of the league leaders in blocks. Kat was literally at the bottom of the league in DRPM among centers at 66th.

    Kat average 25 and 12 to Turners 15 and 7 in 6 more minutes and almost double the shots and more usage than Myles.

    And KAT did it on a losing team, which I've been told here thats a big deal.

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    What sucks is people only looks at one side of the ball. Myles is 15th in DRPM among centers, was one of the league leaders in blocks. Kat was literally at the bottom of the league in DRPM among centers at 66th.

    Kat average 25 and 12 to Turners 15 and 7 in 6 more minutes and almost double the shots and more usage than Myles.

    And KAT did it on a losing team, which I've been told here thats a big deal.
    I don't think there's a comparison between the two. But I think KAT is an absolute stud.

    Also I think Myles benefited from playing with Paul and not being featured offensively. KAT was by far the best player on his team and lacked any true perimeter help defensively minis Rubio.

    I do think you'll see Turner's production rise with higher usage, but I also think his efficiency suffers a bit.

    Either way, idk that he could every average 25 and 12. I'm thinking more like 18 and 8.5

    Edit: I think Myles is going to be a good player for us. Dont let my lovefest with KAT confuse you

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    But he's not AD, KAT or any of the other can't miss big prospects.
    Kind of an odd comparison to make. The franchise player we just lost isn't as good as those guys either.

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    I don't think there's a comparison between the two. But I think KAT is an absolute stud.

    Also I think Myles benefited from playing with Paul and not being featured offensively. KAT was by far the best player on his team and lacked any true perimeter help defensively minis Rubio.

    I do think you'll see Turner's production rise with higher usage, but I also think his efficiency suffers a bit.

    Either way, idk that he could every average 25 and 12. I'm thinking more like 18 and 8.5

    Edit: I think Myles is going to be a good player for us. Dont let my lovefest with KAT confuse you
    You only talked about offense and didn't address my point.

    Lets just look at the stats and not factor in the fact that Myles has been on a playoff team and had low usage. Myles has outproduced KAT on defense just as much as KAT has outproduced Myles on offense no? KAT might literally be the worst defensive big getting major minutes in the league.

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    You only talked about offense and didn't address my point.

    Lets just look at the stats and not factor in the fact that Myles has been on a playoff team and had low usage. Myles has outproduced KAT on defense just as much as KAT has outproduced Myles on offense no? KAT might literally be the worst defensive big getting major minutes in the league.
    I love KAT, but you are absolutely correct that everyone seems to love to ignore just how bad he is on defense. One of the reasons I think the T'wolves hype is overblown. I just don't see how they get out of the first round with KAT, Teague, and Wiggins god awful defense. Butler can only do so much.

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    You only talked about offense and didn't address my point.

    Lets just look at the stats and not factor in the fact that Myles has been on a playoff team and had low usage. Myles has outproduced KAT on defense just as much as KAT has outproduced Myles on offense no? KAT might literally be the worst defensive big getting major minutes in the league.
    No I talked about KAT not having any defensive help on the perimeter. They dont have many plus defenders in Minnesota period. Myles on the other hand was flanked by one of the best defenders in the league in Paul.

    If you think Myles is as good as KAT, then you're either really really high on Turner or somewhat lukewarm on KAT. But I dont think its close.

    We will see how Myles does as the man this year. He will have a chance to put up some numbers.
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    I love KAT, but you are absolutely correct that everyone seems to love to ignore just how bad he is on defense. One of the reasons I think the T'wolves hype is overblown. I just don't see how they get out of the first round with KAT, Teague, and Wiggins god awful defense. Butler can only do so much.
    I'm on record with this idea as well. I think they disappoint some.

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    No I talked about KAT not having any defensive help on the perimeter. They dont have many plus defenders in Minnesota period. Myles on the other hand was flanked by one of the best defenders in the league in Paul.

    If you think Myles is as good as KAT, then you're either really really high on Turner or somewhat lukewarm on KAT. But I dont think its close.

    We will see how Myles does as the man this year. He will have a chance to put up some numbers.
    For real? PG hasn't been elite defensively all year. Turner played mostly with Monta Ellis and Teague on the perimeter. I'm shocked you are taking this stance after killing these guys on D.

    Rubio was the best defender last year between both teams. Its not even close.

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    BTW I think KAT is awesome and better than Myles. I'm just saying its not this absurd gap when you factor defense. KAT is a trainwreck on defense where Turner can become a difference maker. Turner was 15th in DRPM among center and KAT was dead last at 66th!

    Jokic is the one thats light years ahead of everyone.

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    BTW I think KAT is awesome and better than Myles. I'm just saying its not this absurd gap when you factor defense. KAT is a trainwreck on defense where Turner can become a difference maker. Turner was 15th in DRPM among center and KAT was dead last at 66th!

    Jokic is the one thats light years ahead of everyone.
    You do make a good point on the defense side of the ball regarding KAT

    Kind of makes you wonder what a defensive guru like Coach Thibbs would do with a player of Miles caliber
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    You only talked about offense and didn't address my point.

    Lets just look at the stats and not factor in the fact that Myles has been on a playoff team and had low usage. Myles has outproduced KAT on defense just as much as KAT has outproduced Myles on offense no? KAT might literally be the worst defensive big getting major minutes in the league.
    I would rather have KAT than turner every single time. KAT put up insane stats for being on a bad team, defense will come. With the same usage rate, I doubt Turner would be even able to sniff those stats.

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    You mean to say the Pacers suck.

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    You mean to say the Pacers suck.
    No he zeroes in on one scapegoat for not contending. It is a pattern that remains with him. If only it were that simple.

    I do agree with him that West not able to expose Battier was the reason we lost to the Heat awhile back.

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