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    I'm starting to wonder whether Pacers should've gone all in and flipped Turner for an all-star to pair with PG given these latest comments.
    Loved PG and his game while he was here but I don't think he was ever gonna stay no matter what was done outside of LBJ or Durant coming to Indy and we know the answer to that. He really wasn't playing like he had in the past and I for one would rather watch a team of guys bust their *** every night and put forth the effort than watch a much more talented player who all the sudden thinks he's owed something and acts like he's to big for Indy good luck PG you now have all that attention you crave but this team will survive

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    Oh I forgot to talk about the part about him adoring Monta, where the haters at?
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    PG has the ability to talk out of both sides of his mouth. But if I'm Magic, I'm worried.
    Why?

    Its not as if they gave up anything for Paul or plan to for that matter. I mean people think he's second rate anyways so why would anyone be surprised if Magic thinks the same?

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    I am salty that PG left but wish him well in his new situation. Pritchard's retooling plan was apparently underwhelming to him, but at least Pritchard was being honest that he couldn't build a contender next year. BIRD basically put the team in an untenable situation and is a major reason for PG's departure IMO.

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    Also if you want to convince PG that you want to win a championship you don't hire Nate Mcsucking.
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    Sounds like you're on the wrong street. I'm pretty sure the general consensus on the forum was that he mailed it in during the first half of the season.
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    Isn't that what I said though

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    I wonder if Magic will get skewered if LA rolls a big fatter gutter ball in free agency next year.

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    Why?

    Its not as if they gave up anything for Paul or plan to for that matter. I mean people think he's second rate anyways so why would anyone be surprised if Magic thinks the same?
    Because the reason Magic didn't give up anything for Paul is he's positive PG is signing there in FA. If he doesn't sign there, Magic would be wishing he would've traded for him.

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    Oh I forgot to talk about the part about him adoring Monta, where the haters at?
    Or, now we can pin those bunk-*** FA signings on PG and not Bird, maybe...

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    Because the reason Magic didn't give up anything for Paul is he's positive PG is signing there in FA. If he doesn't sign there, Magic would be wishing he would've traded for him.
    Unless they manage to get a player better than PG to come to LA instead....

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    https://sports.yahoo.com/paul-george...145823979.html

    He addressed the scuttlebutt head-on for the first time since his trade to Oklahoma City in an interview with Sports Illustrated’s Lee Jenkins, and his take is that the Lakers talk has been “overstated.” Here’s his full quote:

    “I grew up a Lakers and a Clippers fan,” George says. “I idolized Kobe. There will always be a tie here, a connection here. People saying I want to come here, who doesn’t want to play for their hometown? That’s a dream come true, if you’re a kid growing up on the outskirts of L.A., to be the man in your city. But it’s definitely been overstated. For me, it’s all about winning. I want to be in a good system, a good team. I want a shot to win it. I’m not a stats guy. I’m playing this game to win and build a legacy of winning. I’ve yet to do that. I’m searching for it. If we get a killer season in Oklahoma, we make the conference finals or upset the Warriors or do something crazy, I’d be dumb to want to leave that.”
    “It’s too early for L.A.,” he says. “It would have to be a situation where the ball gets rolling and guys are hopping on. This guy commits, that guy commits. ‘Oh s—, now there’s a team forming.’ It has to be like that.”
    “I’m in OKC, so hopefully me and Russ do a good enough job and make it to the conference finals and love the situation, why not recruit someone to come build it with us? I’m open in this whole process.”
    I might be trippin but I don't recall reading another piece and seeing the part about PG saying his alleged move to LA was "overstated", could be just fluff, but man if he truly felt that way before, then why the leak of "Lakers or bust" could have had more offers
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    Wow... He is SO full of ****.

    I'm just so disappointed that I allowed myself to be sucked in by his double speak.

    I've always, or almost always, defended Paul here over the years. I felt a HUGE bond as a fan with him because of the injuries he faced. I could relate to that better than almost anyone, and I took pride in his accomplishments and comeback.

    But what a ****ing tool he turned out to be... I didn't want to believe it, so I didn't.

    Shame on me.

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    Wow... He is SO full of ****.

    I'm just so disappointed that I allowed myself to be sucked in by his double speak.

    I've always, or almost always, defended Paul here over the years. I felt a HUGE bond as a fan with him because of the injuries he faced. I could relate to that better than almost anyone, and I took pride in his accomplishments and comeback.

    But what a ****ing tool he turned out to be... I didn't want to believe it, so I didn't.

    Shame on me.

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    Lol. Appreciate it.

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    Isn't that what I said though
    Oops...I swear read something different. My bad, but my eye appointment is tomorrow though .


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    Wow... He is SO full of ****.

    I'm just so disappointed that I allowed myself to be sucked in by his double speak.

    I've always, or almost always, defended Paul here over the years. I felt a HUGE bond as a fan with him because of the injuries he faced. I could relate to that better than almost anyone, and I took pride in his accomplishments and comeback.

    But what a ****ing tool he turned out to be... I didn't want to believe it, so I didn't.

    Shame on me.
    Don't trip. I liked him as a player too, and it was a joy to watch him play. Honestly, I'm more mad at how it went down versus him wanting to leave. Players come and go, but I tend to respect players who tend to handle it in a "professional" manner.

    Right now, he's saying stuff that a lot of us will feel that he should have said sooner. Real talk...my attachment was 💯 done when he made the tweet regarding the moving truck in front of his house with the hashtag #gullibletothemedia. To me, he called us and anyone who believed he was moving stupid. Like, REALLY dude? That's only tweet you can make amongst all these trade rumors? Truthfully, I could see myself slapping the **** out a Paul George. I really don't like when people try to play me stupid.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    Oh I forgot to talk about the part about him adoring Monta, where the haters at?
    Just one more reason to dislike, well, both of them

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    I think the ONE thing that PG did that will be a long term benefit for the organization is he let it be known that bringing in B-tier players just doesn't excite A-tier players. The lesson has been given, so the next time the Pacers land an A-tier talent, they need to go all in for another, instead of the cute complementary piece route they have attempted since, well, forever.
    In general, I agree with your post but I feel the need to make a distinction between what we did during our ECF runs and what we did after that team collapsed.

    During our ECF runs we had succeeded in building an amazing starting 5 largely through the draft. What we lacked was a good bench. We tried to retool the bench every year but we failed. We had a plan that got us up to a very good point (the 3-year plan) but we weren't able to get over the top because we couldn't pay enough to acquire enough depth and because we kept facing LeBron at his prime. I'd say that this was a good plan and that A-tier players do tend to stay to teams like that because they're alreadin competing so they have a chance at a ring.

    What we did after that ECF team collapsed, though, is a whole different can of worms. We panicked and we stopped considering team fit and chemistry. We simply started throwing **** at the wall hoping it sticks. And it didn't. We had no plan and it showed. When A-tier players see that your team has no plan then they start thinking about greener pastures.

    Kevin Pritchard did pitch a plan to Paul George. We will never be exactly sure what that plan was but PG didn't like it. Personally, I believe that if Bird had left a year earlier and Pritchard had the time to get his plan in motion then PG could probably have been convinced to stay. But that's in the past now.

    I will also say this. Kevin Pritchard's off-season moves indicate that he does have a new plan. Namely, he intends to build around our young players and have enough cap space two years from now with the hope that a young team that is trending upwards can land a big FA. Will it work? I don't know. I'm just happy that we have a plan, something that this team has sorely missed for a while now. It does look like a good plan to me but we'll have to wait and see.
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    This article pretty much summarizes the differences between a Batman and a Robin. A Batman looks to build the bat cave and lead the fight against evil, and Robin looks to join the fray.

    We were never going to have a Batman in Paul, so it was time to part ways. He needed to help the FO recruit good players to work alongside him, he needed to play balls out and create the momentum of a title contender, etc etc. That was not worth a 200+ million contract to a small market team.

    He thinks he's done everything he needed to do. He didn't. I think there's a good shot he could have his Batman in Westbrook.

    Now, the question for us becomes: do we have our Batman in Turner or Oladipo? I'm not talking about the best player on the floor as much as I am true leadership and the centerpiece of team building.


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    We had that kind of Batman in Danny Granger. Unfortunately, he never had a Robin. And when he finally got his Robin he got injured and then the FO treated him like ****. The timing was really the worst and Danny's injury will always remain one of the franchise's biggest what ifs.
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    In genral, I agree with your post but I feel the need to make a distinction between what we did during our ECF runs and what we did after that team collapsed.

    During our ECF runs we had succeeded in building an amazing starting 5 largely through the draft. What we lacked was a good bench. We tried to retool the bench every year but we failed. We had a plan that got us up to a very good point (the 3-year plan) but we weren't able to get over the top because we couldn't pay enough to acquire enough depth and because we kept facing LeBron at his prime. I'd say that this was a good plan and that A-tier players do tend to stay to teams like that because they're alreadin competing so they have a chance at a ring.

    What we did after that ECF team collapsed, though, is a whole different can of worms. We panicked and we stopped considering team fit and chemistry. We simply started throwing **** at the wall hoping it sticks. And it didn't. We had no plan and it showed. When A-tier players see that your team has no plan then they start thinking about greener pastures.

    Kevin Pritchard did pitch a plan to Paul George. We will never be exactly sure what that plan was but PG didn't like it. Personally, I believe that if Bird had left a year earlier and Pritchard had the time to get his plan in motion then PG could probably have been convinced to stay. But that's in the past now.

    I will also say this. Kevin Pritchard's off-season moves indicate that he does have a new plan. Namely, he intends to build around our young players and have enough cap space two years from now with the hope that a young team that is trending upwards can land a big FA. Will it work? I don't know. I'm just happy that we have a plan, something that this team has sorely missed for a while now. It does look like a good plan to me but we'll have to wait and see.
    I agree. I think Bird got burnt out and stayed a year or two too long. Prichard would likely have made better moves than Bird that would make it easier to keep PG13. Pritchard seems to be doing a good job and should grow the team.

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    Very likely the above was happening, Pritchard even hinted at this in his interview with JMV that they were ready to make big offers to two free agents and he even shared the names with Paul. Imagine Paul staying, KP signing these free agents (whoever they might have been) and then Paul inevitably leaving next summer.. We are actually in a lot better position now - thanks to Paul and his agent.

    The Pacers are very happy with a 44 win team and beyond ecstatic with a 48-50 win team. They thought that's what PG meant under contending. Problem is he's been around there before and knows that's not enough. Especially today with these powerhouses.

    I love the saltiness in the thread by the way. Players should be loyal but if the team cuts or trades a guy that's whatever lol. Good guy Hayward left Utah leaving them in deep trouble but he's such a good guy compared to PG. He did not give ultimatums or requests, just quietly went on and signed with another team. Thanks for everything, Utah, bye! Same for Durant. Thanks for everything, OKC, bye! Again, I don't care about the circumstances and emotions, this is a business and that is about bottom lines.

    The thoughts that pop up about Paul not giving KP a chance to build a contender this summer are very amusing. Just to clarify, there was about 0.01% chance for KP to build a real contender this summer with the assets we had. That ship has sailed with Bird's "innovative" moves a few seasons back.
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    I agree. I think Bird got burnt out and stayed a year or two too long. Prichard would likely have made better moves than Bird that would make it easier to keep PG13. Pritchard seems to be doing a good job and should grow the team.
    Yep. At the very least, Pritchard would have formulated a plan and gave the team a direction. Bird just wasn't able to do even that after our collapse.
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    By themselves no but with those two you can add players who will want to play on the same team with them. Plus PG very likely would have stayed with the Pacers.
    It is an interesting proposition.
    Could we afford PG, Jimmy and the players that would want to play on the same team with them, though? Would Simon be willing to pay up?
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