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    How many times do people have to post his shooting percentages before this myth dies?
    As to being afraid of contact? Have you not watched him? At all?
    I have, and the complaints against were the same in Orlando and Thunder, he is very predictable in driving, he would just go straight, and couldn't finish, because he was afraid of contact and easy to defend.

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    I have, and the complaints against were the same in Orlando and Thunder, he is very predictable in driving, he would just go straight, and couldn't finish, because he was afraid of contact and easy to defend.

    How about this image?

    It's about three years old?

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    Now, Vic will be seen as a much better player if he can get to the foul line more.

    I think that could be the most realistic area of improvement we can see out of him. He has been on a downward trajectory in that category, with Westbrook's influence in OKC really putting a hurt on his ability to get to the line.

    FTRate = FTAs per FGA

    4 FTAs his rookie year FTRate .34
    4.4 his second FTRate .29
    3.4 his third FTRate .25
    2.3 his fourth in OKC FTRate .165

    I don't think 5-6 FTAs a game is out of reach for him considering his style of play, fit with teammates, and his shot volume likely increasing.

    And this is where I can see him legitimately improving on his game.
    "man, PG has been really good."

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    It's about three years old?
    It's remained the same, just better from corner 3s.

    http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=203506

    I'm not saying he is bad, but people lower your expectations. There is a reason two teams traded him. He isn't as great as he was projected to be.

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    Chauncey Billups
    Kyle Lowry
    Detlef Schrempf?
    Well Lowry and Billups aren't the same situations at all.

    Dipo was close to a franchise guy in Orlando, and then was given a huge extension in OKC because they believed he would be a great part of their core.

    Lowry and Billups weren't put into those type of scenarios until later in their career. Both were seen as fillers and backups/spot starters until they were given the reigns.

    If you want a better comparison for Lowry and Billups early in their careers, look at Cory Joseph.

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    It's remained the same, just better from corner 3s.

    http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=203506

    I'm not saying he is bad, but people lower your expectations. There is a reason two teams traded him. He isn't as great as he was projected to be.
    So his finishing percentage around the rim increased 8% and his corner three increased by, uh, 23%

    It's the same...but better where you need it to be better.
    "man, PG has been really good."

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    It's remained the same, just better from corner 3s.

    http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=203506

    I'm not saying he is bad, but people lower your expectations. There is a reason two teams traded him. He isn't as great as he was projected to be.
    No, it's actually not even close to the same.

    His FG% around the rim improved from 50% to 58%

    His FG% from 3's not in the corners improved from about 31% to 34%

    Midrange went up from about 36% to about 40%

    I have no idea how you can look at those, and say they're basically the same. He's improved in almost every area. His FG% around the rim and his corner 3% just happened to improve drastically.

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    I dont think it would be wise to have these types of expectations for Victor.

    Just enjoy him for the high energy player that he is. He may not be a star, but he will try to be. He deserves credit for that

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    Well Lowry and Billups aren't the same situations at all.

    Dipo was close to a franchise guy in Orlando, and then was given a huge extension in OKC because they believed he would be a great part of their core.

    Lowry and Billups weren't put into those type of scenarios until later in their career. Both were seen as fillers and backups/spot starters until they were given the reigns.

    If you want a better comparison for Lowry and Billups early in their careers, look at Cory Joseph.
    I'll give ya Lowry, but I'm holding fast on Billups. Dude started every year prior to Detroit.

    Edit: With that said, PG as a position needs more "learning & maturing"
    "man, PG has been really good."

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    It's kind of cool to have Kevin Pritchard stop by and make a post on here.

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    I think Vic can improve in two areas, and it'll make him a very valuable piece for us.

    He needs to hit his defensive potential. Get his head into the team game and be a bulldog.

    Free throw attempts. (Which I already posted about)
    "man, PG has been really good."

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    I'll give ya Lowry, but I'm holding fast on Billups. Dude started every year prior to Detroit.

    Edit: With that said, PG as a position needs more "learning & maturing"
    Wow you're right. I guess I always first remember him as a 6th man/spot starter on Minnesota (his last stop before Detroit)

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    No, it's actually not even close to the same.

    His FG% around the rim improved from 50% to 58%

    His FG% from 3's not in the corners improved from about 31% to 34%

    Midrange went up from about 36% to about 40%

    I have no idea how you can look at those, and say they're basically the same. He's improved in almost every area. His FG% around the rim and his corner 3% just happened to improve drastically.
    He is still below league average. That was the case 3 years ago, and it is the same now. As league efficiency improves, Oladipo's stats improve too, but they stay below the league average. Consider this Monta Ellis and CJ Miles both have better stats at finishing at the rim.

    The only dramatic improvement of course is 3 point shooting from the corners, otherwise there has been marginal improvement.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../NBA_2017.html

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2017.html


    Like I said, he isn't bad, but saying he could be better than Paul George is laughable at best. He will have been in the league for 4 years now, he hasn't really taken that next step.

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    Dude can't shoot, and has a very time finishing, and is afraid of contact. He has a lot of ways to go.
    PG career 43%, 37% from 3. Generally dislikes contact.

    Oladipo career 43%, 34% from 3. Generally dislikes contact.

    Let's not act like PG is/was Mr. Automatic. He was a very streaky player himself.

    Idk that he'll be better than PG, as PG has had years of being "the man" and playoff exposure, etc to push him to step into the role that he now occupies. So better than PG? At best, subjectively. But...

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    No, he doesn't.
    He'll be better than Danny Granger. No doubt in my mind.

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    No he won't. He's already 25. What we've seen is more or less what we are going to get. At this age Paul George was entering his post injury season. Oladipo is only 2 years younger than Paul George.

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    Paul George has become the most over rated player in our history.

    I bet we pass last year's win total. Which was led by the great Paul George.

    All we have to do is actually give a **** this time.
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    Like I suspected, crazy accusations galore. But really Dipo has improved every single year since his first year at IU. He's steadily improved and has never been on a competent NBA team other than last year which was not a good fit. Let him get next to Lance, who by the way saved our superstar from missing the playoffs all together. Lance was the primary ball handler on those ECF teams, not PG. Would any other top player in the league play second fiddle to a fringe All Star talent in crunch time? PG had great stats on good and bad teams. But to me he proved he clearly couldn't lead us to miraculous playoff wins like Reggie could. To be brutally honest, dude never hit one game winning shot but had some dumb commercial showing him doing so. Reggie sits on a higher plateau than PG ever will, potential be damned.

    Let's see how PG and his stats fare next to Westbrook or in LA and see how Dipo does here. I think many, many of you are going to be pleasantly surprised with a 20 ppg All Star that can defend and has top-flight athleticism, two areas George has taken a step back in. Their shooting stats are almost identical and Dipo is younger, hungrier, and definitely had more raw talent coming out of college. Like I said let's see how Indiana refines that talent and how PG fares elsewhere. There was a time Granger was a top 15 consensus All Star on bad teams too. PG had great stats, but never led us anywhere on his own.

    When PG was the 10th pick, no one thought Indiana would help mold him into what he became. The same can be said about other players recently. I'll go out on a limb and say if we had Dipo from day one and PG was drafted by Orlando, he very well could be a bigger star by now. Many great talents die in terrible organizations, and Dipo has improved despite starting out on a true bottom feeder, something PG never had to deal with. He always had better talent around him since the moment Vogel took over than Dipo started with.

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    Great point. Lance was the reason we were competitive in my book along with West's leadership and Hibbert's momentary elite defense. PG led us straight to a 7th seed first round exit, and had to be saved by Lance this past year to even make it. Not a great leader and really not a good player you could count on at the end of games consistently. Never hitting a game winning shot while in Reggie land speaks volumes to me as a fan.

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    No he won't. He's already 25. What we've seen is more or less what we are going to get. At this age Paul George was entering his post injury season. Oladipo is only 2 years younger than Paul George.
    To be fair - check PGs stats and teammates compared to Oladipos in their first four years and the comparison isnt insanely off base. That said - I do agree that Oladipo will never quite reach PG level.

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    To be fair - check PGs stats and teammates compared to Oladipos in their first four years and the comparison isnt insanely off base. That said - I do agree that Oladipo will never quite reach PG level.
    Not to mention the fact he has improved every single year since a college freshman despite that mess he started on. What we see is what we get, yet he keeps improving? Let's see him hit his true prime here and then decide.

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    To be fair - check PGs stats and teammates compared to Oladipos in their first four years and the comparison isnt insanely off base. That said - I do agree that Oladipo will never quite reach PG level.
    Oladipo was a year older in his rookie year than Paul George in his rookie year. Compare Paul's 2nd through 5th season for a more accurate comparison.

    And that's just stats. The eyetest shows they are on complete different levels.

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    I guess people are now at the acceptance/promotion part of the PG trade, pretty much every other move made was good..the PG return was bad regardless if there were better offers or not.
    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

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    I guess people are now at the acceptance/promotion part of the PG trade, pretty much every other move made was good..the PG return was bad regardless if there were better offers or not.
    So if Oladipo makes the all-star team the next 4 years is it still a bad move?

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    So if Oladipo makes the all-star team the next 4 years is it still a bad move?
    He's not going to

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