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    I apologize if I am interrupting the derailing of this thread but I think to the point of VO maybe reaching PG's level I think its not crazy to think that. I think its natural for everyone to be pessimistic especially after losing a star player but VO is not that far off and he especially hasn't shown yet to be distracted by strippers and night life that could in theory prevent PG from really being a top 5 player.
    I think its absolutely crazy to think that VO could be an annual AS, All NBA'er and Olympian. BUT..I'd absolutely love to be wrong.

    If VO can somehow manage to even make 2 AS games during his time in Indy, I'd be pleasantly surprised.

    If he somehow made a crazy leap at 25, I'd be the driver of the bandwagon all the way to the ECF.

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    It's a shame Danny got hurt because he honestly would've been the perfect stretch 4 in today's game.

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    Danny Granger won over my heart when he shattered his teeth on the court. That is all I need to know about Danny Granger.


    As far as Oladipo goes, Offensively his career highs pretty much match up to Paul's career highs, except 3p%, up until last year. So I have little doubt he will be as efficient as PG. Where the difference comes into play is selfishness. How often Oladipo calls his own name will determine if he produces as much as Paul. Once Paul got a taste of the limelight he tended to call his number more often than he should which resulted in a drop in his efficiency which only recovered last season. If you look at it from a per 100 possession point of view. In 15-16 Oladipo took 20.4 shots per 100 possession opposed to Paul taking 25.5. On those 25.5 Paul averaged 33points per100 exactly. Oladipo averaged 24.2 on his 20.4. If Oladipo had shot it 25.5 times his per100 average would have been 30.4 points, only 2.6 points off from Paul. That same season Paul averaged 9.3FTA per100 while Oladipo only averaged 5.2FTA per100. At 9.3FTA per100 Oladipo would have a per100 average of 33.8 points, 0.8 points higher than Paul.

    In conclusion, as you can see through extrapolation Oladipo already has it in him to match Paul. What we don't know is if he will be able to realize this potential.

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    It won't take much for this team to be better than last year's team. The team last year was one of the least talented teams since the Murphleavy years.

    If it wasn't for Lance and PG going off to win the last 5 games in a row, the team would've been in the lottery.

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    I think its absolutely crazy to think that VO could be an annual AS, All NBA'er and Olympian. BUT..I'd absolutely love to be wrong.

    If VO can somehow manage to even make 2 AS games during his time in Indy, I'd be pleasantly surprised.

    If he somehow made a crazy leap at 25, I'd be the driver of the bandwagon all the way to the ECF.
    So I took the time to look at more stats and one thing jumps out to me. VO has trouble on the road and especially last year. His defensive rating goes to crap and drops almost 6 points. His offensive rating drops by almost 6 points and his TS% drops by almost 6%. I don't necessarily think that is uncommon and PG seemed to have years like that as well but it does sort of explain his drop of production. Digging a little deeper you can see how much he struggled with back to backs with 0 rest. That could also be the scheduled opponent but overall if he finds his game on the road then he will see a bump in his efficiency especially on the defensive end.

    Location GP MIN OffRtg DefRtg
    Home 35 33.3 107.2 99.3
    Road 32 33.1 101.6 105.1
    Days Rest GP MIN OffRtg DefRtg
    0 Days Rest 13 32.4 98.2 106
    1 Days Rest 43 33.7 106.5 101.5
    Days Rest TS%
    0 Days Rest 48.4
    1 Days Rest 55.1

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    Victor is not, and never will be quite as good as PG. But he could be nearly as good, and a better teammate. He could try hard every game. He could be happy to be here. I've seen worse trades even if it were straight up. If D Sab lives up to his potential then in a couple years we wont want to trade back. It's a big if but...
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    Heck, it underrates his ballhandling.

    It was easy to watch tape and criticize Danny's handles, but I never saw a good explanation of why he got fouled so much. If somebody's just a one-trick shooter, they don't collect nearly as many foul shots as Danny did.

    Danny wasn't as pretty an offensive player as PG was. He never had that effortlessness. But he was really, really effective until his knees gave out.
    Danny was a pretty bad ball handler and playmaker. That was one my issues with his game. For a guy that took a majority of the teams possessions, he really didn't make his teammates better. He did attack the basket quite a bit which is why he got a lot of free throws, but he attacked the rim with tunnel vision which, if not fouled, ended with an ugly attempt at the rim because he just couldn't find people and he wasn't a great finisher around the rim. He could shoot the lights out though and was fun to watch during a ****** time to be a Pacer fan. Even people that disliked his overall game still liked Danny and thought he was good dude and class act. He just had some limitations for a go to type player.

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    Not so sure about "passing Paul George", but the dude is certainly a hard worker:



    Impressive. Good eariy sign.

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    I'd say Victor has a 13% chance of surpassing what PG did in the Pacer's uniform. I think he will have career years here. But I don't think he has the skillset to do what PG did here. Nor does he have the supporting cast. Defensively, PG was elite with Hill, Hibbert, and West.

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    Dipo seems to be more respected by national media more than on this board

    SI ranked him #74 for top 100 players of 2017
    NBA Rank had him at #58 last year among all players

    Puts him right there with Myles. If you're 58th in the league saying you are a borderline all-star isn't a huge exaggeration.

    I haven't watched the guy play much, but him plus a young prospect is almost fair given the situation. It's certainly decent at worst.
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    The bottom line is we don't need Oladipo to surpass Paul George. We just need him to be a good two way player who can get 18 PPG on one end and play great defense on the other end. If Oladipo can limit his mistakes, there is absolutely no reason this can't be the case for a guy just now entering his prime.



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    The bottom line is we don't need Oladipo to surpass Paul George. We just need him to be a good two way player who can get 18 PPG on one end and play great defense on the other end. If Oladipo can limit his mistakes, there is absolutely no reason this can't be the case for a guy just now entering his prime.
    A little less talent with a lot less drama could be a net positive for the team.
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    A little less talent with a lot less drama could be a net positive for the team.
    before the trade demand, what drama did PG cause???


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    before the trade demand, what drama did PG cause???
    The entire year of trade speculation and Lakers rumors that preceded it.

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    If you're 58th in the league saying you are a borderline all-star isn't a huge exaggeration.
    No one is saying that calling Dipo a borderline All-Star is an exaggeration. What people call an exaggeration is saying that he can become as good as Paul George. And Paul George isn't just a borderline All-Star. He's a perennial All-Star who has been in the MVP discussion. He's two or three tiers above a borderline All-Star and at this point we cannot really be sure that Dipo can reach that level. He may do it but it's far from a given.
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    The entire year of trade speculation and Lakers rumors that preceded it.
    Not really sure it was as dramatic as people are claiming after the fact. If anything the Pacers were too meh for most people to notice either way.

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    LOL PG > Oladipo
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    That's an unfair thing to say. Oladipo = Oladipo and he's a fine player on his own. He will be very good in Indiana, but in no way is he the same type of player with the same type of impact as Paul George.

    He's a nice two-way player with good athleticism and an improving three-point shot. But the Pacers need to form a collective, play more teamball than ever, play with pride night in night out to have a good season.

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    Is VO ready to lead? PG sure never was. And if VO is ready to lead, can he physically play a brand of basketball that makes his leadership credible? Can he hit a shot when the team needs a basket? Can he dig in and play defense when the team needs a stop? Can he get to the gym early and work the hardest when the team needs an example? Can he support the coach when the coach needs backup? Can he he keep everyone in line and communicate with the front office to make sure problems are headed off?

    And can he hit a game winner?
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    Is VO ready to lead? PG sure never was. And if VO is ready to lead, can he physically play a brand of basketball that makes his leadership credible? Can he hit a shot when the team needs a basket? Can he dig in and play defense when the team needs a stop? Can he get to the gym early and work the hardest when the team needs an example? Can he support the coach when the coach needs backup? Can he he keep everyone in line and communicate with the front office to make sure problems are headed off?

    And can he hit a game winner?
    This is where I give him a real chance. PG was obviously the most talented guy we had, and Oladipo probably never reaches that level on pure talent. But PG left A LOT to be desired in leadership, sacrifice, effort, and commitment. Oladipo has the reputation of excelling in a number of those areas. So if he really brings it and shows those qualities, along with Myles being a fiery guy on-court and very diplomatic off-court, I'm confident in these guys.
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    I'm not sure how leadership is graded or quantified, but a lot of times its a matter of opinion of favorite players. Look at a guy like Danny Granger. Some believe he was a leader, others dont. Idk that there is a right or wrong answer, just an interesting concept.

    While leadership is important, it doesn't always have to come from the most talented player. From everything I've read, Reggie was never the leader of those 90 Pacer teams. Media spokesperson? Yes. Slayer of MSG? Yes. But not the leader of men on the court.

    As long as a guy is getting it done on the court, we should could care less about perceived leadership. Production & improvement are key things to look at for VO IMO. Trying to anoint him as a leader will only put more pressure than what's already there.

    Besides, its always best for a leader to emerge organically. Especially with a group of younger guys.

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    I'm not sure Dipo is gonna be the spiritual voice of the team, the calming vet presence that David West supposedly was. But why do we need him to be? What does that matter? I feel like Turner is our leader going forward. Dipo can just lead by example, show up, be a professional, be active in the community, come up big on the court. That's what I want him focusing on.
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