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    I'm not huge on him either, but if you just wanted more of a natural point guard who could pass and take care of the basketball and effectively run an offense, he might not be a bad 3rd point guard to have to limit Lance's minutes.
    I'm also not a guy who thinks Lance is going to log heavy minutes at the point. He will play there some, but I think he's going to spend most of his time on the wing and will initiate a good chunk of the offense from there.

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    My point is, he fits well matching up against LeBron because LeBron's game isn't shooting over you. It's using his immense strength and power to get to the rim, that's why Lance's height is never an issue against LeBron because he's well built at 6'5". However, his height could very well be an issue against taller wings who rely less on strength and more on shooting.
    We could use a long athletic wing. Problem is, they tend to want to play in LA.
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    I'm also not a guy who thinks Lance is going to log heavy minutes at the point. He will play there some, but I think he's going to spend most of his time on the wing and will initiate a good chunk of the offense from there.
    Yeah, I could see that. I do like the idea of having more of a natural point guard on the roster though. If Collison ever were to go down, I don't really like a roster that has Lance and Joe Young as it's only other point guard options.

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    I like having Collison available. I do not and will never like a miniature back court. The Pacers seem to have a love affair with runt guards and it's beginning to show in their ability to compete. The last two times we made the ECF, Lance Stephenson was in the back court playing with a combo guard. He has his chance again with Dipo. Not sure why people don't see how good of a combination that could be. But OK. If you want to continue the pattern of getting beat up in the playoffs that's fine I guess.
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    We could use a long athletic wing. Problem is, they tend to want to play in LA.
    True, but if we're just looking for a big 3&D wing to play 10-15 minutes a game (if that), I don't think it should be that hard to find someone at this point in the offseason. It's not a huge need, but I still think it's a need.

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    True, but if we're just looking for a big 3&D wing to play 10-15 minutes a game (if that), I don't think it should be that hard to find someone at this point in the offseason. It's not a huge need, but I still think it's a need.
    There are a lot of players who fancy themselves 3 and D specialists. There are not many guys like that in the league that actually fill that role in a way to make a real difference. I don't think we've ever had such a player.
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    My 3 and D definition.

    Wing who is long and defends high flyer scorers well, while able to hit 40% of their 3's on medium volume. Maybe a guy that scores 12 points a game and can do a pretty good job on the Paul George's and Kawhi Leonard's of the NBA.
    Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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    There are a lot of players who fancy themselves 3 and D specialists. There are not many guys like that in the league that actually fill that role in a way to make a real difference. I don't think we've ever had such a player.
    Insert Reggie Bullock.

    Reggie Bullock used his canny shot to butter his bread in college, but it might be his defensive prowess that lands him a spot this season with the Detroit Pistons.
    The 6-8 forward is in the mix to make the 15-man regular season roster and impressed head coach Stan Van Gundy enough during two-a-days training camp to trust him on the floor to start the second half of Tuesday's preseason opener against the Indiana Pacers.
    With Spencer Dinwiddie in foul trouble and the Pistons struggling defensively, Van Gundy opted to mix the third-year Bullock in with Stanley Johnson, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Marcus Morris and Andre Drummond, for whom he later declared his best defensive unit.
    "He's been playing like that," Van Gundy said after Tuesday's 115-112 loss. "Reggie brings good energy, he moves his feet. I like him. When you get him out there with the right groups ..."
    http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.s...nse_could.html

    I'm sure there's other guys like him too, but he had to fight to make the Pistons 15 man last year, is facing a 5-game marijuana suspension like Monta, so I highly doubt he'd cost a ton of money. Former 1st round pick, shot .384 from 3 last season, etc.

    From the "USA Today's 9 unsigned free agents, who could be bargains":

    2. SG Reggie Bullock

    Last team: Detroit Pistons // Status: unrestricted // Stats: 15.1 mpg, 4.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg, 38.4% 3PT
    Injuries have prevented Bullock from really showing what he can do over his four-year NBA career. But the 26-year-old was pretty darn good when he got the chance for the Pistons the past two years. The sample-size was limited, but he rated out as an above-average defender and shooter. None of the injuries have been crippling, and he could be a rotation wing player for a team in need of shooting.


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    Reggie Bullock has not been a successful NBA player. So he shot the ball relatively well last year. But he's averaged just 11mpg for his career and only played 31 games last year. I'm not sure I would put much stock in him.
    Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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    Reggie Bullock has not been a successful NBA player. So he shot the ball relatively well last year. But he's averaged just 11mpg for his career and only played 31 games last year. I'm not sure I would put much stock in him.
    We need someone to play 10-15 minutes off the bench here. This isn't a move to replace Paul George. For such a limited role, I think he'd be a really strong candidate to take a chance on.

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    -I also think that if Lance and Oladipo both start, you have to start Bojan over GR3. There's not enough outside shooting in the first unit if that's not the case.
    GRIII shot 40% from 3 this season and will be better than Bogdanovic.

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    We need someone to play 10-15 minutes off the bench here. This isn't a move to replace Paul George. For such a limited role, I think he'd be a really strong candidate to take a chance on.
    He may be worth a roster spot. Give him a chance to outplay some of the more proven players would be a good option.
    Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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    Reggie Bullock has not been a successful NBA player. So he shot the ball relatively well last year. But he's averaged just 11mpg for his career and only played 31 games last year. I'm not sure I would put much stock in him.
    That, and he just got busted for the 3rd time with weed, just like Monta.

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    GRIII shot 40% from 3 this season and will be better than Bogdanovic.
    I'm not dissing on GR3, but I think a roster where you have one wing above 6'5" who plays defense could be problematic in certain matchups. This is more just one of your last moves you make to fine-tune the roster.

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    My preference:

    Lance/DC
    Dipo/Lance
    GR3/Bojan
    Sabonis/Young/Niang
    Turner/Seraphin

    Will probably be:

    DC/Lance
    Dipo/Player X
    Bojan/GR3
    Young/Player Y/Leaf
    Turner/Sabonis

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    That, and he just got busted for the 3rd time with weed, just like Monta.
    If this were a guy we'd be contributing big money or years to, I'd be worried, but we're talking about a backup who probably gets 10-15 minutes off the bench? Honestly though, it wouldn't be a surprise to me at all if Bullock became a better bargain than whatever team overpays for CJ Miles. He's a better defender and his 3 point shooting was really good last season.

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    This is what I've had the depth chart as since we got Bogs. But I wouldn't rule out Lance starting somewhere.

    PG: Collison / Buckets
    SG: Oladipo / Stephenson
    SF: Bogdanovic / Robinson
    PF: Thad / Sabonis / Leaf / Niang
    C: Turner / Seraphin / Jefferson / Anigbogu

    That leaves one open roster spot.

    Note that Sumner doesn't count against the 15 man roster since he signed a two-way contract. He's the 16th man.

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    Seems pretty straight forward.

    PG - DC, _____, JYoung
    SG - Oladipo, Lance,
    SF - Bojan, GR3, Niang
    PF - TYoung, Sabonis, Leaf
    C - Myles, AlJeff, Seraphin, Ike

    Maybe JYoung as a backup PG. He would make a good fit with Lance at SG. Lance with the ball, Joey off the ball. Almost a switch of positions offense to defense.

    Al Jefferson has not been waived, that means he is expected to play. Which should mean that he is not going to come to camp at 400 lbs. Pacers should know by now if he is getting into shape or not. Since he's useless if fat and hasn't been cut, he must be expected to play.

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    My preference:

    Lance/DC
    Dipo/Lance
    GR3/Bojan
    Sabonis/Young/Niang
    Turner/Seraphin

    Will probably be:

    DC/Lance
    Dipo/Player X
    Bojan/GR3
    Young/Player Y/Leaf
    Turner/Sabonis

    Yep, this is close to my guess (er, hope):

    Lance/DC
    Dipo/?
    GR3/Bojan
    Young/Sabonis/Leaf
    Turner/??/Seraphin

    Leaf will rarely see the floor before the All-star break. For backup center, I'm guessing Willie Reed or Dwayne Dedmon (or maybe Aldrich in a CJ sign-&-trade). No clue who we might sign for backup shooting guard, although I'd love to maintain the size emphasis and slot GR3 behind Dipo and sign Luc Mbah a Moute to play behind Bojan. I think holding on to Thad for at least the first half of the year would be a good idea, but I wonder if KP is working on a trade of Thad + Al to salary-bloated Portland for Crabbe or maybe even Mo Harkless & Meyers Leonard.


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    Would still love to see if the Raps would do a salary dump of DeMarre Carroll with OG coming along as the cost. Carroll looked pretty bad last year, but he gives us something a little different than the rest of our wings while we also get a wing prospect that can take his time to get ready.

    As far as current lineup I think we are looking at:

    PG Collison/Stephenson
    SG Dipo/Young? Ugh
    SF Bojangles/GR3
    PF Sabonis/Leaf (hoping Thad gets traded for a guard)
    Center Myles/ Seraphin and Jefferson when he can muster the strength to stand

    Sumner and Ike will be in Ft. Wayne most of the year.
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    Would still love to see if the Raps would do a salary dump of DeMarre Carroll with OG coming along as the cost. Carroll looked pretty bad last year, but he gives us something a little different than the rest of our wings while we also get a wing prospect that can take his time to get ready.
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    Why does it matter? Because the team needs to practice together and get accustomed to their roles. If Lance is going to be asked to run the point like he did quite a bit against the Heat and Cavs in the playoffs, why not give him time to practice? Maybe get experience in the regular season so they can run some set plays and get better at it? What has become irritating is that the point guard, whether it be George Hill or Jeff Teague, has not run the point at times in the playoffs. Instead, that job is often given to Lance because he can get guys the ball easier and he can handle the physical pressure. Why not give Lance a chance to practice and improve that game they continue to ask him to play during the playoffs? That includes times where they back off of him and dare him to shoot. He needs to show he can do that. He did fine shooting nearly 40% last playoffs but he may do better given a chance to operate the offense year round and as his primary role.
    Are those initial 5-6 minutes so important that they can determine how accustomed Lance gets to his role and how good the team glues together. If you check my Depth chart you'll see that I have Lance starting at PG (because I want a big backcourt) but I really don't think that who's the nominal starter is an issue worth worrying about.

    Harden only started like 7 games for OKC. Do you think that he had an issue being accustomed to his role or forming a good chemistry with the rest of the starters?

    Manu Ginobili has started 10 ever since 11-12. Do you think that he has an issue being accustomed to his role or knowing where to find the rest of the first-team?

    Neither of them had any issue with that. So, I don't expect Lance to face any issue either.

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    What has become irritating is that the point guard, whether it be George Hill or Jeff Teague, has not run the point at times in the playoffs.
    And why is that a problem? The whole idea behind positionless basketball is that a player's skillset determines what he does on the court and not their nominal position. If the SF is better than the PG at creating offense then he should be the one handling the ball. Did the old Miami Heat give Mario Chalmers the ball because he was the nominal PG? Heck no. They gave it to their best creator, LBJ. Positions matter defensively but offensively they're much more fluid than they used to be in the past.
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    There are not many guys like that in the league that actually fill that role in a way to make a real difference.
    Good. We don't need someone that can make a real difference right now. We just need someone who can make a real difference 2-3 years down the road.
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    When is Sumner supposed to get the go ahead to play?

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