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    Lance is the best remaining player from last year's team based on their playoff performance. I don't think we acquired any godlike talent that warrants having him come off the bench. This is his team.
    The difference between the end of last season and the start of the coming season are like night and day.

    Last years team was a train wreck with no team chemistry or direction.

    You really can't look at how Lance performed late last year and project it onto the group we're putting together for 17-18. Clearly Lance should get quality minutes, I'm thinking 24 to 28. That's primarily as a SG, might fill in a few at the point, maybe a little at SF.

    I couldn't say if Collison or Joseph should start at point, but it looks like a time share to me.

    Oladipo is the starter at the 2 with Lance as the backup.

    I think the 3 will be decided in camp unless we bring in a dark horse but I'd give the nod to Bogdanovic simply because I think he fits best with the other 4 starters. GR3 is the backup with a little Lance here and there.

    As of now Young is the starting 4 with Sabonis getting more time as the season goes on. If Young is moved then Sabonis in the man. Leaf needs to get a lot stronger and a little quicker or he'll get eaten alive on D.

    No brainer that Turner starts at 5 and I'm leaning toward Seraphin as the backup.

    Starters:

    Collison
    Oladipo
    Bogdanovic
    Young
    Turner

    Backups:

    Joseph
    Stevenson
    Robinson lll
    Sabonis
    Seraphin

    I kind of like that second group. Won't win you many games but I'd love to see how they play together.
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    I see it all the time on this site. Statements like it doesn't matter who starts but who finishes. Why is that not the same guys? Yes I think who starts matters. I could see how they have Lance come off the bench to placate Collison and more tightly manage Lance. I get that mentality but it shows a lack of trust and belief that Lance can and will manage his emotions and consistently lead and that is holding Lance back from what he can become.

    IOW they are comfortable to give Lance minutes but hesitate to "go all in". They just need to jump on in. The water isn't too cold. They will like it.
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    I can't wait until the season starts so people can watch TJ Leaf and understand that he has no business playing on the wing.
    The guy is a Stretch 4. I have no clue why anyone would think that he's a SF.

    We have our SFs already for this season.....Bojan, Lance and GRIII. They will have to do.

    I hope next season, we can draft a long term Starting SF.
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    I still heavily lean toward GRIII getting the start at the III. Joseph/Oladipo/GRIII is an athletic trio that would give us solid perimeter defense. Thad and Myles in the frontcourt, unless Thad gets traded, then I'd like to see Sabonis. Leaf and Seraphin can be the primary bigs off the bench to give us a balance of offense and dirty work.

    I think Collison should be the backup. He's a high-level backup, and maybe an average starter. Maybe. Plus, what upside does he have left? He is what he is. Joseph still has something to prove, and I'd be more than willing to give him the rope to prove it. Bojan is in the same boat. High-level backup, not a good enough defender to start. His upside is limited, but we may have something more in GRIII, so let's find out.

    Lance is the wild card, of course. I prefer Lance to be the 6th man. I think that role fits him perfectly thanks to his creativity, his ability to go one-on-one or be a facilitator, and his tremendous versatility. Point guards too short to be effective tonight? Let Lance have the ball. Oladipo needs a break? Here Lance, play off the ball and take a few shots. Tough matchup on defense for GRIII? Lance, you take his guy and see if we can find a mismatch somewhere else. Allow him to flourish within what the team needs because he may not be good enough to do one of those things full-time - but he is good enough at all of them to plug him in and swing momentum. And I think your flexibility with Lance is really maximized by making him the 6th man and zapping the lineup with his energy at the exact position you need on any given night.
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    I can't wait until the season starts so people can watch TJ Leaf and understand that he has no business playing on the wing.
    Your sentence could be three words too long.

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    I am afraid the message is that Lance is coming off the bench which would be idiotic.


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    https://twitter.com/pacers/status/884784194664247298

    Bojan to start preseason as the 3 according to nate.

    It's the unsexy option but probably the only way to get a functioning NBA offence witn reasonable spacing in the starting lineup.
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    HE IS THE PERFECT 6TH MAN. High energy and high intensity. Can distribute the ball well. That's my take and "i'm on the record".
    You forgot that he can play multiple positions. He can be effective at PG, SG or SF.

    Bring him off the bench for 25-30 mpg would be ideal, the only problem we have now is that we have too many players that should get some playing time...but that's a good problem to have.

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    What I believe the line-up will be:

    Collison/Joseph
    Oladipo/Lance
    Bogdanovic/GRIII
    Young/Sabonis
    Turner/Seraphin

    What I want:

    Joseph/Collison
    Oladipo/GRIII
    Lance/Bogdanovic
    Young/Sabonis
    Turner/Seraphin

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    This is his team.


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    Based on years of experience in Indiana, we have seen our point guards struggle in the playoffs, either because of their size or the fact they are really a SG in a point guard's body. So, we have seen the Pacers hand the ball to Lance Stephenson in the playoffs often with starters on the floor.

    What sense does it make to have him run the offense when things are most competitive, but not let him practice that role to get better and more comfortable at it? And basically for the team to adapt to him and for the team to gel?

    Are we going to do this yet again if we make the playoffs?
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    LOL
    You just wait. If it's not Victor's team, it will be Lance's.
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    You just wait. If it's not Victor's team, it will be Lance's.

    I am pretty sure Myles fits the complete bill as the team's "leader." I am not saying that Vic and Lance won't push the team, but Myles is definitely the face going forward..
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    All I know is that I don't like Nate McMedium, and I don't trust that he'll put the right player combinations out there. Oh, and his comments now all but guarantee Lance is the backup SG (unless he's thinking Lance at PF).

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    Depending on who's starting, the bench could be very fast and athletic

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    https://twitter.com/pacers/status/884784194664247298

    Bojan to start preseason as the 3 according to nate.

    It's the unsexy option but probably the only way to get a functioning NBA offence witn reasonable spacing in the starting lineup.
    Sure, I understand that. But I wonder how long it would last.

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    This team is going to be exciting this year. Guards need to crash the boards.
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    At this point...give me the televised training camps and preseason games! I want to see these fools battle for starting positions.


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    Nate is the wrong coach for this team. I think this is a playoff team but with Nate I'm not sure. Such a poor hire.

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    You just wait. If it's not Victor's team, it will be Lance's.
    This is Turner's team. He is the primary player that we're building around.

    As for who should run the offense. The offense should be run by the player that is more capable in doing it. His nominal position has absolutely nothing to do with it. If our Center was the best player to run the offense (he isn't, it's just a hypothetical) then he is the one who should run it. You don't get to run the offense simply because you're the nominal PG. If the wing is better at running the offense then he gets to run it. Simple as that.
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    Sure, I understand that. But I wonder how long it would last.
    Not long I assume. Could be our pitch to Bojan was that he'd have every opportunity to earn the starting position. I don't see him starting come start of the season.

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    So, here is the lineup:

    Collison
    Joseph
    Young
    Sumner
    Oladipo
    Lance

    Bogdanovic
    GRIII
    Leaf
    Niang
    Young
    Sabonis
    Anigbogu
    Turner
    Seraphin
    Jefferson

    Based purely on salaries, it'd be:

    Collison / Oladipo / Bogdanovic / Young / Jefferson
    Joseph / Lance / GRIII / Sabonis / Turner


    That points out a few things: the odd outliers of Young and Jefferson for one. The interesting upcoming "battle" between Collison, Joseph, and Lance as well.

    We need to see if there's another Young move coming. Jefferson is going to be sunk cost most likely, based upon his production last year.

    OK, so let's go through fit:

    backcourt: I think out of all of the combos we have, I like Joseph / Oladipo the best just based upon what we've seen of their games. I also like Joseph / Lance. I think that Collison / Joseph is undersized, Collison / Lance is meh at defense. Collison / Oladipo doesn't feel compatible either.

    frontcourt: I think out of all of the three man combos we have, I like Turner / Sabonis / Bogdanovic the most just because it's the most balanced, but I'd love to see GRIII with those two as well. I think GRIII takes a leap this year. Love Seraphin as backup 5.

    So, from a pure fit perspective, I'd like to see this as a depth chart:

    Joseph / Oladipo / Bogdanovic / Sabonis / Turner
    Collison / Lance / GRIII / Young / Seraphin


    But I'd like to see rotations with Lance coming in 3/4 way through the first to give either Joseph or Oladipo a breather:

    Joseph / Lance / Bogdanovic / Sabonis / Turner

    ...and Seraphin to come in as 7th man to play alongside Lance and give Turner some space to finish out the half strong.

    Then sometime in the second, I'd move to this:

    Collison / Lance / GRIII / Young / Seraphin

    ....with Collison / GRIII playing smallish minutes in the 2nd and 4th, and Young as basically the 8th primary man of the rotation.

    What it'll likely be:

    Collison / Oladipo / Bogdanovic / Young / Turner
    Joseph / Lance / GRIII / Sabonis / Seraphin

    I don't like the balancing of this depth chart at all, especially from a defensive perspective, but... i think we'll try it due to commitments they likely made to these players.

    I pray to god that Sabonis and Joseph play their brains out at camp and during the preseason. I beg of it, mainly for the defensive upgrade that brings us.

    Net of this exercise: I expect a lot of hard fought losses.





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    So, here is the lineup:

    Collison
    Joseph
    Young
    Sumner
    Oladipo
    Lance

    Bogdanovic
    GRIII
    Niang
    Young
    Sabonis
    Anigbogu
    Turner
    Seraphin
    Jefferson

    Based purely on salaries, it'd be:

    Collison / Oladipo / Bogdanovic / Young / Jefferson
    Joseph / Lance / GRIII / Sabonis / Turner


    That points out a few things: the odd outliers of Young and Jefferson for one. The interesting upcoming "battle" between Collison, Joseph, and Lance as well.

    We need to see if there's another Young move coming. Jefferson is going to be sunk cost most likely, based upon his production last year.

    OK, so let's go through fit:

    backcourt: I think out of all of the combos we have, I like Joseph / Oladipo the best just based upon what we've seen of their games. I also like Joseph / Lance. I think that Collison / Joseph is undersized, Collison / Lance is meh at defense. Collison / Oladipo doesn't feel compatible either.

    frontcourt: I think out of all of the three man combos we have, I like Turner / Sabonis / Bogdanovic the most just because it's the most balanced, but I'd love to see GRIII with those two as well. I think GRIII takes a leap this year. Love Seraphin as backup 5.

    So, from a pure fit perspective, I'd like to see this as a depth chart:

    Joseph / Oladipo / Bogdanovic / Sabonis / Turner
    Collison / Lance / GRIII / Young / Seraphin


    But I'd like to see rotations with Lance coming in 3/4 way through the first to give either Joseph or Oladipo a breather:

    Joseph / Lance / Bogdanovic / Sabonis / Turner

    ...and Seraphin to come in as 7th man to play alongside Lance and give Turner some space to finish out the half strong.

    Then sometime in the second, I'd move to this:

    Collison / Lance / GRIII / Young / Seraphin

    ....with Collison / GRIII playing smallish minutes in the 2nd and 4th, and Young as basically the 8th primary man of the rotation.

    What it'll likely be:

    Collison / Oladipo / Bogdanovic / Young / Turner
    Joseph / Lance / GRIII / Sabonis / Seraphin

    I don't like the balancing of this depth chart at all, especially from a defensive perspective, but... i think we'll try it due to commitments they likely made to these players.

    I pray to god that Sabonis and Joseph play their brains out at camp and during the preseason. I beg of it, mainly for the defensive upgrade that brings us.

    Net of this exercise: I expect a lot of hard fought losses.





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    All I know is that I don't like Nate McMedium, and I don't trust that he'll put the right player combinations out there. Oh, and his comments now all but guarantee Lance is the backup SG (unless he's thinking Lance at PF).
    Real talk, what is it about Nate McMillan that you guys don't like? Be objective. What deficiencies does he show, is it a playcalling thing? Is it an energy thing? Because whatever it is, I'm not seeing the same as you guys, who disliked him from day zero.

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    Dude. You completely forgot Leaf.
    Hah, was that a freudian slip?

    I did leave him out of the top lineup, but I don't see him as a big contributor this year, personally. A project, but could be wrong. Perhaps could swap him out for Young in my stuff below if Young gets traded, but he's deeper in the depth chart based upon what I know of his game.

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