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    I was reading on Realgm and saw someone said something about how we could use a legit center who can hit the 20 footer so that got me thinking about this possiable deal between Indiana and Miami:

    Indiana Gets:
    - Michael Doleac

    Miami Gets:
    - Anthony Johnson

    I would only be for this deal first off if we are able to sign Saurnas J. This deal gives us a diffrent type of center because lets all face it, Dale, Jeff, Scot, and David are all pretty similar. Now we would defentily trade either Jeff or Pollard if we did this deal.

    For Miami they get a PG which they really need right now with Keyon Dooling and Damon Jones opting out of there contracts and looking to get raises. Plus with Zo likely to re-sign with Miami they don't need Doleac. Sure there is a chance Zo might not be able to play because of his kidneys but I don't think it is to hard to find a hard nosed defenseive minded center.

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    No thanks.

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    Why? So we can have Eddie Gill as our backup pg? I would much rather have Foster, Dale, and Harrison than Doleac. IMO, we are fine at the center position. We just need someone who can create a shot, and hit a shot.
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    Why? So we can have Eddie Gill as our backup pg? I would much rather have Foster, Dale, and Harrison than Doleac. IMO, we are fine at the center position. We just need someone who can create a shot, and hit a shot.
    Read what I typed.

    I said "I would only be for this deal first off if we are able to sign Saurnas J."

    And yes Doleac can hit a shot from mid range.

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    Sure, it would be great to have a centre who can consistently hit the mid-range jumper.

    But it would also be nice if that guy could actually rebound, block shots, etc. In other words, a big NO to Doleac.

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    We need more PG depth alot more than we need a C who can hit from midrange.

    AJ was one of our most consistant players in the 2nd half of the season. If we sign Sarunas then I think we would be able to cover the PG spot well if Tins goes down if SJ and AJ share the mins.

    Apart from the starters, I would say that AJ is one of our least expendable players.

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    Yes it would be nice if we had a center that could hit from mid-range, pass the ball nicely & rebound...... oh wait......


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    Yes it would be nice if we had a center that could hit from mid-range, pass the ball nicely & rebound...... oh wait......
    Let me finish that for you...

    Yes it would be nice if we had a center that could hit from mid-range, pass the ball nicely, rebound and stay healthy.

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    Let me finish that for you...

    Yes it would be nice if we had a center that could hit from mid-range, pass the ball nicely, rebound and stay healthy.
    I rather have it for 50 games then have it for no games.

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    I rather have it for 50 games then have it for no games.
    If those 50 games came after the all-star break, then I'd agree with you. Otherwise, they don't mean a thing.

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    Let me finish that for you...

    Yes it would be nice if we had a center that could hit from mid-range, pass the ball nicely, rebound and stay healthy.

    He was injured this year but wasn't he fine in last year's playoffs when they lost to Minnesota?

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    Well we are getting Garcia, so no!!!
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    Well we are getting Garcia, so no!!!
    Huh? What does Garcia have to do with any of this?

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    I don't think of Doleac as a true center. My impression of him is that he's soft inside, a poor rebounder and shots jumpshots. There are plenty of big men who can do what Doleac does.

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    he is a poor man's Brad Miller. I would not mind having him if we could trade Eddie Gill for him instead of AJ.

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    he is a poor man's Brad Miller. I would not mind having him if we could trade Eddie Gill for him instead of AJ.
    He's a homeless man's Brad Miller.

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    He's a homeless man's Brad Miller.

    Is there a bigger superlative than homeless? If there is that is what Michael Doleac is.

    I agree with you signature 100%. Not to bring it up for the 56734592066th time but Donnie denied the Pacers a championship last year by not signing Brad Miller. They would have beaten Detroit and a dysfunctional Laker team with Brad's outside shooting. He could easily have traded Brad in couple of years. I am just ranting!

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    Is there a bigger superlative than homeless? If there is that is what Michael Doleac is.

    I agree with you signature 100%. Not to bring it up for the 56734592066th time but Donnie denied the Pacers a championship last year by not signing Brad Miller. They would have beaten Detroit and a dysfunctional Laker team with Brad's outside shooting. He could easily have traded Brad in couple of years. I am just ranting!
    You mean if he could have stayed healthy...oh wait...

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    He's a homeless man's Brad Miller.

    He's a RETARDED man's Brad Miller.

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    He's a RETARDED man's Brad Miller.
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    Yeah, Mickey D isn't very good. I'd rather have our centers.
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    The argument is weak. He hasn't "led" a team past the first-round? When was he expected to lead? Never. And here's a little news bulletin for you: The Kings went 7 games into the 2nd round last year. Brad played in every game of it.

    But you wouldn't even know that, yet you continue to pretend you're some expert. Donnie keeps Brad, and you'd be throwing out your "look at me, I'm smarter than you" routine with those that wanted him out. Your opinion is just regurgitation of what your sources tell you.

    In fact, let's take a closer look at what you obviously know about, but for the others who are watching, I'll inform them.

    Second Round vs Minnesota.

    Game 1, Brad has 13 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, and 2 blocks. Wow, what an injured money pit that guy is.

    Game 2, 11 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks, and a steal. Trade him now, Donnie!

    Game 3, 8 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, and 1 block. My God, he's lowered himself tonight to "still better than Foster". What a wasted investment this is.

    Game 4, 20 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks, and a steal. I hate this guy.

    Game 5, 0 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, and 1 steal. There it is!! This is the evidence that negates everything because he didn't score! Sure, the rest of his stats are still solid as all hell for a center, but don't tell anyone OK?! Just let him go quietly into the night.

    Game 6, 17 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals. I'd have a case if he was healthy after the all-st-- oops.

    Game 7, 11 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal. Horrible. HORRIBLE.

    I'll tell you what. I'll throw you a bone here. This season, he wasn't so nice in the playoffs.

    At first.

    Not playing for 6 weeks does that to people. And yes, it's his freak injury as to why he was out. But here's the part no one in your camp wants to talk about. He got better.

    Hell, upon further review, even his first game in the series (Game 1), he wasn't awful in the time he played. 8 minutes (read: not a lot of time) he still managed 7 points, 4 rebounds, and 3 assists. 8 minutes. Jeff would have about 2 and 5 and 0 in about that amount of time if he was having a good night.

    Game 2? Blah numbers. 6 points, 1 rebound, 1 assist in 17 minutes.

    Game 3? 14 points, 3 rebounds, and 1 block. Not good enough, but showing signs of what was to follow:

    Game 4: 15 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks. Now it's starting to look like Brad.

    Game 5: 14 points, 6 rebounds, 11 assists. Back to being that money-pit, never plays past Feb. player.

    Clearly getting back up to speed before his team lost. Not surprising; a 7 seed losing to a 2. If you expected Brad to be their best player and "lead them" on further, blame whatever idiot thought Brad should be the best player on the team, no him. Brad should be the 3rd best player. As he was and would still be here behind Jermaine and Artest.

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    This "argument" pisses me off. And when I see people making these idiodic comments based on un-informed, half-truth, throw-away statements, they will hear from me.

    You have your cheap one-liners, and your spoon-fed opinion. I have facts, and something resembling real basketball knowledge. So the next time you or anyone else wants to speak up about this, show some basic respect to me, Peck, or anyone else beyond a crappy, smartass attitude, and bring real facts to the table, other than "I just know because that's what I was told by can't-tell-you" and garbage slogan-esque answers.

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    But you wouldn't even know that, yet you continue to pretend you're some expert. Donnie keeps Brad, and you'd be throwing out your "look at me, I'm smarter than you" routine with those that wanted him out. Your opinion is just regurgitation of what your sources tell you.

    You have your cheap one-liners, and your spoon-fed opinion. I have facts, and something resembling real basketball knowledge. So the next time you or anyone else wants to speak up about this, show some basic respect to me, Peck, or anyone else beyond a crappy, smartass attitude, and bring real facts to the table, other than "I just know because that's what I was told by can't-tell-you" and garbage slogan-esque answers.
    Strong and bitter words are always indication of a weak cause. The insults are unnecessary and out of line.

    Facts are facts and Brad has been hobbled by injuries after the all-star break these past two seasons since he left the team. That's irrefutable. Moreover, your comparison to Bender is silly and misguided. By your logic, since Bender, Donnie should continue to award injury-prone players lucrative contracts. As if he should just ignore his mistakes to please you and other emotionally-charged fans. And yes, as far as I'm concerned, Bender was a mistake, so don't paint me as someone who blindly buys into a party line.

    Spoon-fed opinions? I'm gonna let that one go because it's too easy and I don't care to respond to your insults with insults. Let's just say I am one of the most original thinkers you could ever hope to know.

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    The argument is weak. He hasn't "led" a team past the first-round? When was he expected to lead? Never. And here's a little news bulletin for you: The Kings went 7 games into the 2nd round last year. Brad played in every game of it.

    But you wouldn't even know that, yet you continue to pretend you're some expert. Donnie keeps Brad, and you'd be throwing out your "look at me, I'm smarter than you" routine with those that wanted him out. Your opinion is just regurgitation of what your sources tell you.

    In fact, let's take a closer look at what you obviously know about, but for the others who are watching, I'll inform them.

    Second Round vs Minnesota.

    Game 1, Brad has 13 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, and 2 blocks. Wow, what an injured money pit that guy is.

    Game 2, 11 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks, and a steal. Trade him now, Donnie!

    Game 3, 8 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, and 1 block. My God, he's lowered himself tonight to "still better than Foster". What a wasted investment this is.

    Game 4, 20 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks, and a steal. I hate this guy.

    Game 5, 0 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, and 1 steal. There it is!! This is the evidence that negates everything because he didn't score! Sure, the rest of his stats are still solid as all hell for a center, but don't tell anyone OK?! Just let him go quietly into the night.

    Game 6, 17 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals. I'd have a case if he was healthy after the all-st-- oops.

    Game 7, 11 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal. Horrible. HORRIBLE.

    I'll tell you what. I'll throw you a bone here. This season, he wasn't so nice in the playoffs.

    At first.

    Not playing for 6 weeks does that to people. And yes, it's his freak injury as to why he was out. But here's the part no one in your camp wants to talk about. He got better.

    Hell, upon further review, even his first game in the series (Game 1), he wasn't awful in the time he played. 8 minutes (read: not a lot of time) he still managed 7 points, 4 rebounds, and 3 assists. 8 minutes. Jeff would have about 2 and 5 and 0 in about that amount of time if he was having a good night.

    Game 2? Blah numbers. 6 points, 1 rebound, 1 assist in 17 minutes.

    Game 3? 14 points, 3 rebounds, and 1 block. Not good enough, but showing signs of what was to follow:

    Game 4: 15 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks. Now it's starting to look like Brad.

    Game 5: 14 points, 6 rebounds, 11 assists. Back to being that money-pit, never plays past Feb. player.

    Clearly getting back up to speed before his team lost. Not surprising; a 7 seed losing to a 2. If you expected Brad to be their best player and "lead them" on further, blame whatever idiot thought Brad should be the best player on the team, no him. Brad should be the 3rd best player. As he was and would still be here behind Jermaine and Artest.



    This "argument" pisses me off. And when I see people making these idiodic comments based on un-informed, half-truth, throw-away statements, they will hear from me.

    You have your cheap one-liners, and your spoon-fed opinion. I have facts, and something resembling real basketball knowledge. So the next time you or anyone else wants to speak up about this, show some basic respect to me, Peck, or anyone else beyond a crappy, smartass attitude, and bring real facts to the table, other than "I just know because that's what I was told by can't-tell-you" and garbage slogan-esque answers.

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    (Let it be stated for the record that I am a big Jeff Foster fan, but he leaves himself open to this comparison being what he is: A great bench C/F and nothing more)
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    Hicks,

    Your stats do present a side of the argument that cannot be denied.

    As time has passed, the one side of the argument becomes more and more about the statistics that Brad has achieved since he left the team. And again those stats cannot be denied.

    But turning back the clock to before the trade, and without the benefit of hindsight, we must recall that the Pacers experienced a money issue. Brad's performance during the season, with or without injury, earned him more dollars in a new contract than Walsh was expecting to pay.

    Walsh weighed the salary that he was going to have to pay against what Brad had delivered and judged that the bang wasn't worth the buck.

    Clearly, Walsh was wrong. But the most important point that Walsh was wrong on was his miscalculation of just how important a center's mid-range shot is to the overall success of our offense. Even before Artest's suspension we were struggling due to the fact that we didn't have a player to play alongside of Jermaine that could hit the mid-range jumper. And I agree with others who have said that it probably cost us a championship.

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