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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

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    Which leads me to the pre game shows. I don’t want to hear what Mike, Tim, Bill, Steven or Greg think the teams or players should do. I want more information on what they are doing. Why is it that only football pre games or in game analysts talk about plays? Why can’t we get some basketball analysts who break down games and tell us what plays are being run, how the defenses are reacting to them and whats working or not working? Give me something of substance beyond “Duncan has got to show up”. “Joe Dumars told Rasheed to take his shot when they were in the elevator together.”

    We have gotten some in game analysis about where certain players like to shoot from… mostly Bruce Bowen and Tim Duncan, and that Chauncey Billups likes to shoot 3s in the 4th quarter, but beyond that it seems like the announcers assume the fans not only know nothing about the game, but they want to keep it that way.

    One of the best features, I think in Sports Illustrated is the scouting reports on teams and players. Give us some knowledge from the people who get paid to scout the league. The more we can give insights from insiders rather than listen to what Ben Wallace’s wife told him for the 9th time (it was ok as a fun fact the first time), the more involved fans will be with the game.



    Watching the games on TV would be 5x better if they did this. Tell everyone what strategies and plays each team wants to run, what kind of defense they like and how they do it. Use visual representations and video tape of what they're talking about while they talk about it. Break down the game like a scout or coach would. Show us what's really going on. That would be far, far better than "X has to step it up".


    Animated diagrams of plays, detailed breakdowns of each teams' philosophies. And I don't mean "they both play hard-nosed D". I mean specifics. Do they play one on one forcing the star to beat them? Do they trap aggressively? How good are they at rotating? Do they try to force the ball to a certain area of the floor? Do they try to force the ball a certain direction on drives? Which way?


    Same goes with offense. I'm tired of "they're a slow it down, grind it out team" or "they're a fast-paced, run-and-gun" team. SHOW ME what they run. What they try to do. What do the plays look like. All they'd need is someone explaining it while the picture is something like what you see here on nba.com:


    (Click on the picture of the play to see the animation; that animation is what I have in mind)
    http://www.nba.com/step_up/detroit.html


    I don't know how else to say it. I would love love LOVE it if this were to happen.

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    Re: Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

    That is why I like Hubie Brown so much as an announcer. He will explain why a play is successful and what the defense needs to do to stop it.
    "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
    - Benjamin Franklin

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      Re: Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

      I agree with him.

      But am I wrong that Quinn Buckner does this a lot during the regular season? He uses the telestrator a lot if I recall correctly. It seems to be only games on ESPN and ABC that have announcers for entertainment and not insight into what is going on. I remember when Mike Fratello was still on TNT he told you what was happening a lot, Doug Collins does it too but not as much.

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        Re: Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

        I agree with Cuban 100%. Football is covered so much better it is sickening to me .


        Hubie Brown does do a good job of doing what Cuban wants. However, Hubie is slipping, he is getting old, he repeats himself and is no where near as good as he used to be. I've said for years Hubie taught me more about the NBA game than anyone, but if you did not hear Hubie back in the early to mid 90's you cannot appreciate him.

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          Re: Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

          I agree with everything everybody has said.
          I wonder if they don't give us the nuts and bolts because the networks don't think we will respond. Remember this is the same media that dumbs down everything. TNT decided that "points in the paint" and "fastbreak points" were more important to us than rebounds and turnovers. They don't gear their telecasts to the purists, but for its entertainment value. It's a lot easier to talk about and show mrs. wallace, than to dissect a pick and roll. A fastbreak dunk obviously has more entertainment value than illegal screens.

          Those of you who watched indycar racing a few years before the split -- remember when they went to interviewing driver's wives and showing shots of them during the race? Same deal here. Perhaps to get women involved in the sport. They can take all those females with the mikes down on the field and stuff 'em too. What a grouchy old man!
          And just for the record, I read a lot more books than I used to and watch a helluva lot less tv. And when the games are on, I turn the sound off, so there!
          Don't thank me, I'll kill ya.

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            Re: Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

            Agreed 100%.

            Another thing that bugs me, say sportscenter asks all the ESPN guys a question they will get arguing and you can't even understand what they are saying, or is it just me? Then there is Stephen A. Smith, he has to talk like the micraphone is 60 feet away or something.

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              Re: Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

              He is amazingly right. I think about that all the time.

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                Re: Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

                I agree. Of course, I've seen conversations here that have brought up the fact that the NBA has the worst "analysts" of any sport. This isn't some revelation.

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                  Re: Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

                  Not only do I agree with him about this, I HATE all that other crap before games...the hoopla, the singing, the shows, etc. That isn't part of basketball, and it ruins the game.
                  Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                    Re: Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

                    Agreed, and like more people that play Sports Video Games like NBA and NFL, it's good to know what plays they run to be able to emulate them

                    I agree it'd be much more infomative but i somehow doubt it's ever going to change as they establishment wants the NBA labeled as Entertainment not Coaching Class's
                    Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...

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                      Re: Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

                      I agree. I don't want to see the difference in records when Ben has a fro and when he doesn't. Believe it or not, that has nothing to do with the game. I want to see replays of questionable calls, I'm tired of the announcers always agreeing with the refs. I want to see how plays develop. I want to see the little things. I can see the 3 pointers and dunks all day, I want to see how the guy got open for the 3.
                      Sorry, I didn't know advertising was illegal here. Someone call the cops!

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                        Re: Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

                        See, the problem is that NBA isn't after the hardcore fans any more. They have to water down the telecasts and push 'star' players to get the casual and disinterested fans to watch and spend their money. They might be losing the fans, but they are gaining more viewers in the process, and that is why things aren't goin to change anytime soon...
                        Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
                        I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...

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                          Originally posted by naturallystoned
                          See, the problem is that NBA isn't after the hardcore fans any more. They have to water down the telecasts and push 'star' players to get the casual and disinterested fans to watch and spend their money. They might be losing the fans, but they are gaining more viewers in the process, and that is why things aren't goin to change anytime soon...
                          The thing is, I believe that if they started doing what's talked about in this thread, and what the NFL generally does during its broadcasts, they would CREATE more hardcore fans by educating casual viewers about the game, in detail. Teach people about the game, and I bet a lot of new people would appreciate the sport more, thus eliminating the need to dilute the product via star advertising.

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                            Re: Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

                            Of course that speaks for it self, but is it to much hard work for the Establishment... that is the Question, everyone knows if they lower the price of NBA Jumpers they'd sell 10 x More and if they Opened up a NBA Store in my home town it'd be a Massive Boost for the Core Fans.. But I say they won’t, as it's too much hard work...

                            The Establishment thinks it's easy to keep people in the dark therefore maintaining control over decisions and allowing corrupt dealings to continue, if they make people more educated towards the game they will be more interested in all aspects which will make everything transparent which I don't think Heil Stern Wants

                            I hope they change there system to make Fringe Fans more dedicated thus eliminating the Band Wagon Trolls and Creating more rivalry and passion for ones team, the NBA should be About Franchises not Star's and one should start promoting Teams and there Success’s rather then Star Names


                            I think it’s Time for Stern to get voted off but that’s another story
                            Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...

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                              Re: Something in Cuban's blog I strongly agree with.

                              Originally posted by Hicks
                              The thing is, I believe that if they started doing what's talked about in this thread, and what the NFL generally does during its broadcasts, they would CREATE more hardcore fans by educating casual viewers about the game, in detail. Teach people about the game, and I bet a lot of new people would appreciate the sport more, thus eliminating the need to dilute the product via star advertising.
                              Oh I agree whole heartedly that the NBA needs to do that exact thing but it's all about the balance of spending money/making money that NBA is failing to see or simply thinks that what they have is the ultimate experience.
                              Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
                              I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...

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