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    They are getting rid of the guys rumored to be traded for PG, it was just a matter of which picks I guess


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    http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston_celtics/

    Okay...how in the hell was Boston avoiding gutting their team if they wanted George and Hayward???

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the starting price have been THREE players and picks, or was the combined picks "one" player?
    It would have required a creative gut job...

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    While Boston can easily get to $26 million in projected cap space by renouncing the rights to current free agents and waiving Tyler Zeller (whose 2017-18 salary is non-guaranteed through July 2), getting all the way to the estimated $29.7 million max salary for Griffin and Hayward will be a little trickier. At minimum, it would require trading guards Demetrius Jackson and Terry Rozier and having Yabusele and Zizic play outside the NBA another season, something they might not be amenable to doing.

    Now at the cap after signing Hayward or Griffin, the Celtics would have to match salary to trade for George. That would require including at least one of Avery Bradley or Jae Crowder along with Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart, or both Bradley and Crowder. (Boston could hypothetically get creative by trading one of these players for a smaller salary before signing Hayward, enabling them to keep Jackson and Rozier and bring over Zizic, as I did with Smart while running the team in the Dunc'd On mock offseason.)

    Whatever the exact permutation, the cost of signing a star is that the Celtics would have to give up part of their core in a George trade, mitigating some of the value of bringing him in -- particularly if it's only for one season.

    It's hypothetically possible for Boston to renegotiate and extend George even after signing a max free agent, but doing so would require cutting the rest of the roster to the bone. To create sufficient space, the Celtics would either have to trade Al Horford or basically every other rotation player besides Horford and Isaiah Thomas, and even if they could get picks out of those transactions it's hard to see the merit in sacrificing so much depth for a move designed to win now.
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    I think KP was supposed to text him every hour, leave constant messages phone messages, camp out in his car in front of Hayward's house ... you know, stalk him. That always turns out well.
    You forgot sending players to hold him hostage until he agrees to sign.

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    They are getting rid of the guys rumored to be traded for PG, it was just a matter of which picks I guess


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    Yeah, we wanted a lottery pick and Ainge wouldn't give us one. We wound up trading with OKC and got 2 lottery picks.

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    A small market team has very few assets over a large market. Donnie Walsh made it clear in his tenure that loyalty to players - even misplaced sometimes - was an important part of the culture, which I will always believe allowed us to keep players who otherwise would have left the team. Showing loyalty to Danny by easing him into a secondary role (especially when we more or less got bupkis in the trade, though that is kind of hindsight) would give us a chip for FAs. Sure, not a huge one, and not a guaranteed win vs. the Big City Lights, but it would be a chip other teams often don't have.

    You can't sacrifice the entire team by having all your old broken-down players on long-term expensive contracts, but you can certainly take care of the ones who have been instrumental in success or in drawing fans. Treating the whole thing like a cold hard business with no sentiment in the locker room or the fan base is a mistake - especially with players who have so far played their entire career with the team. There is a little more leeway with guys brought in later.
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    Yeah, we wanted a lottery pick and Ainge wouldn't give us one. We wound up trading with OKC and got 2 lottery picks.
    Im glad someone else thinks of it this way. I like both players potential especially under the circumstances. I also think Kelly Olnyk is a nice rotation big who can stretch the floor and guard the pick n roll well. This isn't going To be easy but I like what Pritchard has done so far.

    Im really really sure Ainge was never going to over the good picks and was just stringing the Pacers along. He would have offered less today or the same he did at the draft. It was all BS about Boston, I think.

    Lastly I also like the OKC package better than Gary Harris and Trey Lyles and a crappy pick.

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    Im glad someone else thinks of it this way. I like both players potential especially under the circumstances. I also think Kelly Olnyk is a nice rotation big who can stretch the floor and guard the pick n roll well. This isn't going To be easy but I like what Pritchard has done so far.

    Im really really sure Ainge was never going to over the good picks and was just stringing the Pacers along. He would have offered less today or the same he did at the draft. It was all BS about Boston, I think.

    Lastly I also like the OKC package better than Gary Harris and Trey Lyles and a crappy pick.
    You're not alone bro...I like what Pritchard has done too. And being in the minority on this board is always a good thing. The only move he's made that I hate is the TJ Leaf pick. The 2nd round picks, A+'s, I like the DC deal, probably going to frame Shams' Monta waived tweet (favorite move) & I like the OKC package a lot as well. It's been a good offseason, just ready for his next move.

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    You're not alone bro...I like what Pritchard has done too. And being in the minority on this board is always a good thing. The only move he's made that I hate is the TJ Leaf pick. The 2nd round picks, A+'s, I like the DC deal, probably going to frame Shams' Monta waived tweet (favorite move) & I like the OKC package a lot as well. It's been a good offseason, just ready for his next move.
    Count me in as well. Pritchard knows what he's doing.
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    Im glad someone else thinks of it this way. I like both players potential especially under the circumstances. I also think Kelly Olnyk is a nice rotation big who can stretch the floor and guard the pick n roll well. This isn't going To be easy but I like what Pritchard has done so far.

    Im really really sure Ainge was never going to over the good picks and was just stringing the Pacers along. He would have offered less today or the same he did at the draft. It was all BS about Boston, I think.

    Lastly I also like the OKC package better than Gary Harris and Trey Lyles and a crappy pick.
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    Good for him for saying Peyton Manning first.

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    http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/07/24/...and-overhyped/

    Gordon Hayward: My relationship with Brad Stevens ‘completely overstated and overhyped’

    Gordon Hayward is still trying to seize control of the narrative surrounding his free agency.

    The Celtics – coached by Brad Stevens, Hayward’s coach at Butler – expressed interest in Hayward in 2014. Then, with Stevens still in Boston, they completed their highly anticipated pursuit of Hayward by signing him this year.

    Just don’t pin that all on Stevens.

    Hayward on The Woj Pod:

    The relationship between Brad and I has been completely overstated and overhyped from everybody.

    And you mentioned it. There was always rumors about going to Boston, and those, to me, were always just rumors. I didn’t really ever think about it, because I wasn’t a free agent, wasn’t really concerned with the Boston thing. But everybody else was saying, “Oh, he’s going to go to Boston because of Brad.” And we had a great relationship, but it wasn’t like we were constantly texting each other or calling each other. He’s the head coach of the Boston Celtics. He’s got things to worry about.

    I played for Brad for two years. And so it wasn’t like everybody kind of made it seem, like we were besties or something.

    That was something I kind of was – “what’s this going to be like? It’s been seven years since he coached me.” And immediately though, he called me July 1. And after that phone call, I thought like, “Oh, no. This isn’t going be any different.” It was one of those things where he made me feel like, even if I don’t go to Boston, it’ll be fine, and we’ll still have that great relationship, and he’ll still be in my corner, and he’ll still be rooting for me and supporting me.

    Hayward was in control, and he chose Boston. Stevens didn’t do it for him. Hayward did it – and he did it the evening of July 4, not before.

    Got it?

    That darned fake news, always talking up the Hayward-Stevens relationship. Take this article in The Players Tribune, in which the author contends Hayward viewed Stevens as “the person I knew I could count on the most.”

    Look, NBA players generally like the trappings of being recruited. They generally dislike the perception that they were recruited and weren’t in complete control. That’s why Kevin Durant keeps denying Draymond Green‘s stories of recruiting the superstar to the Warriors.

    Elements of Hayward’s relationship with Stevens were probably perceived incorrectly by some. I doubt the Celtics’ coach was in frequent contact with a Jazz player. But the underlying idea – that Stevens made Boston more likely to pursue and get Hayward – was also probably correct.

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