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  • #16
    Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

    Originally posted by Jon Theodore
    I can't imagine a Pacer fan saying his team had better training staff than the Pistons.
    Actually, as I recall, pretty much all of this forum did.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    • #17
      Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

      Originally posted by grace
      No I'm not a Bird fan. I lived in Terre Haute for more than 2 years and it did nothing to change my opinion of him.
      I guaran-sheed not everyone in Terre Haute is a fan. Since we do try to keep this site somewhat family oriented I really can't tell the story here. I'll pass it along at the forum party and it will either bring a smile to one's face or cause them to blow chunks.
      You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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      • #18
        Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

        Originally posted by grace
        No I'm not a Bird fan. I lived in Terre Haute for more than 2 years and it did nothing to change my opinion of him.
        Why don't you like Bird, if you don't mind me asking. Is it personal?

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        • #19
          Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

          Bird, originally through my folks buying me a tape about him around the start of the 90s, is the reason I became interested in the NBA as a child. I'll always "love" him for that, I guess. I don't worship at his altar, but I am a fan of his. I guess I get why he has many who "hate" him, but I think it's blown out of proportion.

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          • #20
            Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

            Originally posted by Harmonica
            Why don't you like Bird, if you don't mind me asking. Is it personal?
            It has been covered before.

            http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=9648

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            • #21
              Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

              I talked about this a while back, but there's no way you can blame any of our injuries on the training staff.

              JO's shoulder: You want to argue a dislocated shoulder is due too not stretching out properly? JO was in the best shape of his life coming into this season. It can be argued he put on too much muscle over the summer, but that was his decision, and hardly caused the injury.

              JB's knee and Jeff's hip: Both injured during the summer.

              Jamaal's foot: Misdiagnosis by multiple physicians. David Craig is not an MD, he follows what doctors tell him is the appropriate course to heal injuries. Plus, wouldn't you say that Jamaal might be maybe in a little better shape than when he came here?

              Reggie, AJ, and Freddie's broken hands: The only way to prevent this was to have them wear boxing gloves, which, correct me if I'm wrong, might have altered their shot a bit.


              Everybody knows I pay close attention to the coaching staffs during games. From personal experience, I can tell you David Craig has been a defacto assistant coach for the last 7 years, and probably a lot longer than that. It's obvious to anyone that pays attention that he loves being down there. I find it highly suspect that he'd want to be kicked upstairs, especially if he hasn't had the time to appropriately groom his successor.

              Two summers ago Larry overturned the coaching staff before any practice, let alone games, had been played. Last summer he finished his gutting of our scouting department. This summer it's the trainers. If I worked for PS&E, I'd be scared for my job right now.
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              • #22
                Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

                Originally posted by vapacersfan
                No, no hes not a doctor at all ................
                That *******'s gonna haunt me to my grave.
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                • #23
                  Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

                  Originally posted by Kegboy
                  I talked about this a while back, but there's no way you can blame any of our injuries on the training staff.

                  JO's shoulder: You want to argue a dislocated shoulder is due too not stretching out properly? JO was in the best shape of his life coming into this season. It can be argued he put on too much muscle over the summer, but that was his decision, and hardly caused the injury.

                  JB's knee and Jeff's hip: Both injured during the summer.

                  Jamaal's foot: Misdiagnosis by multiple physicians. David Craig is not an MD, he follows what doctors tell him is the appropriate course to heal injuries. Plus, wouldn't you say that Jamaal might be maybe in a little better shape than when he came here?

                  Reggie, AJ, and Freddie's broken hands: The only way to prevent this was to have them wear boxing gloves, which, correct me if I'm wrong, might have altered their shot a bit.


                  Everybody knows I pay close attention to the coaching staffs during games. From personal experience, I can tell you David Craig has been a defacto assistant coach for the last 7 years, and probably a lot longer than that. It's obvious to anyone that pays attention that he loves being down there. I find it highly suspect that he'd want to be kicked upstairs, especially if he hasn't had the time to appropriately groom his successor.

                  Two summers ago Larry overturned the coaching staff before any practice, let alone games, had been played. Last summer he finished his gutting of our scouting department. This summer it's the trainers. If I worked for PS&E, I'd be scared for my job right now.
                  its seems pretty obvious that craig was moved to the front office, unlike being fired like the strength coach, because of his long and dedicated service to the pacers....david will probably be as much of a fan favorite as any trainer can be....hes truly one of the really good stories in sports....

                  but anytime someone gets moved up into the front office to a position to yet be determined....the writing is on the wall...

                  larry is obviously not content with the overall health of the pacers the last two years, and whether rightfully so, is making a change, even if its just a change for change's sake.....

                  at least those that often ask, 'what does larry do?' can at least have some answers....first the coaching staff, second the scouting dept and now the training?

                  whats next?

                  the players would not seem to be too much of a stretch...everybody duck....

                  larry definitely wants to put his footprint on the team....and u have to admire him for that.....the team is gonna be a reflection of what he wants and how he envisions it....and if its not-he will change that too...

                  lets just hope that footprint isnt squarely left on all of our backs....his track record seems to indicate hes usually pretty successful at what he does....but not without his detractors....lets hope this turns out the same way...

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                  • #24
                    Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

                    I've been auguring for three years now that Bird was in charge of who the Pacers hired, fired, picked, and traded for, but it's been an uphill battle convincing this board.

                    Even though he was hired to do just that!

                    Bird's his own man and can be a prick as has been established, so to argue he's not in charge has always seemed ridiculous to me.

                    It's my thought that the reason the Pacer's bought RealGM's pro trade checker is so Larry Bird could see for himself who he could and could not trade for.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

                      Originally posted by Hicks
                      I can't believe people actually get angry over this.


                      Thank you

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                      • #26
                        Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

                        Points I have no argument with:

                        The Pacers have been a mess of injuries the past few years.

                        Change for the sake of change is not always bad and can be downright positive in getting a new look/new angle/new mindset etc.

                        What do the Pacers have to lose?
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                        As long as you make a good hire then what's to argue? "Loyal to a fault" hasn't won chit so I am all for a different mindset and an aggressive front office posture.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

                          Originally posted by Hicks
                          I can't believe people actually get angry over this.
                          My mother, who rarely makes a comment about stuff like this, says she thinks what happened to David Craig is age discrimination.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

                            We should take a good luck at the Suns training staff and study there habits before and after training and matches. There system is pretty new and not without pain for the players, but damn it really seems to have payed of for them, just a year after their season was FULL of injuries aswell.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

                              Originally posted by Kstat
                              Actually, as I recall, pretty much all of this forum did.

                              Hold your horses there. The Pistons not being injured this year is because the players kept themselves in good shape. I disagree that it has a lot to do with athletic trainers, so much so that we can argue as to whose training staff is better.

                              I guess Mike Abdenour was not looking when Grant Hill was playing on a bad ankle. It is the players who make the decisons and the training staff just aids them.

                              I give credit to the Pistons players for keeping themselves in shape through a gruelling season but to use that and prove a point that the Piston's staff is better than the Pacers or Knicks staff is not correct.
                              ANDY: I guess it comes down to a simple choice, really. Get busy winning or get busy losing.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Pacers Training Staff Revamped...

                                IIRC, I was greatly chastized by one particular poster on here for being the first to question the Training staff for what seemed to be a mess of mis-diagnosis or slow to respond problems. I feel vindicated now, but I feel for Davey becasue it APPEARS he's being held accountable when it may or may not be his responsibility. But just like a coach...they're the first to go when things go sour. I know the players go to their respect homes and work out or they go to that training facility in Florida, but I wonder if the Pacer's wouldn't much rather they stayed here to train so they can keep a check on their methods and conditioning.
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