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    Default After sending Paul George to the Thunder, where do the Pacers go from here?

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    First it was the Cleveland Cavaliers. Then it was the Los Angeles Lakers and Boston Celtics. There was reportedly a three-team deal with the Cavs and Denver Nuggets in the works on draft night. The Celtics came calling again and again, and so too did the Houston Rockets after the Chris Paul trade. But after weeks of rumors, reports, and negotiations, the Oklahoma City Thunder swept in late Friday night to win the Paul George sweepstakes, sending the Indiana Pacers Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis in return for the All-Star forward.

    The Thunder do this move knowing full well that George is already halfway out the door to Los Angeles, but there's always the chance they could convince him to stay depending on what they're able to do this season. And even if he leaves, Oladipo and Sabonis weren't much to give up anyway. But enough about the Thunder; how George will fit with Russell Westbrook will be analyzed a thousand times over.

    What about the Indiana Pacers? Where do they go from here?
    Once George informed the team that he wasn't going to be a part of their long-term plans, the Pacers had no choice but to move their superstar rather than lose him for nothing next summer. After seeing the return they got in this deal, however, you can almost make the case that they should have just kept him, hoped he made an All-NBA team next season and prayed the extra money they could offer him would be enough to entice him to stay.

    The reported negotiations mentioned Kevin Love. There were talks of the Lakers offering two first-round picks along with Jordan Clarkson or Julius Randle. The Celtics reportedly offered three first-round picks plus Jae Crowder and another player. Now were those reports accurate? Well, it's impossible to know the exact offers and what was specifically discussed, but it certainly seems like the Pacers could have gotten more for George, even on a one-year rental, than Oladipo and Sabonis. This feels like a move Indiana made because it was sick of negotiating and just wanted to get something done.


    It's like when you're looking for a parking spot and see one fairly close, but believe you can find a better one, so you drive around for 10 minutes looking for a marginally better spot only to come up empty. Yet when you go back to the original spot it's been taken, and at that point you're just so sick of looking for somewhere to park, that you park in the first open spot you can find, even if it's much further away than the one you could have just originally taken.


    Look, the Pacers were always going to be in a bad spot once George left town, as it's impossible to simply replace a player of his caliber, and his publicly stated desire to play in L.A. nuked their leverage in any trade negotiations. But winding up with Oladipo and Sabonis and no extra picks of any kind to speak of is disappointing.
    As the Pacers enter all-out rebuild mode now that George is officially gone, and Jeff Teague and C.J. Miles are likely to follow him out the door once free agency begins, they'll turn the keys over to Myles Turner, which is a good place to start. Every team in the league would love to have a player like Turner to build around. He's a 21-year-old big man who will likely average a double-double next season, and has shown a budding ability to knock down 3-pointers, and can protect the rim on the defensive end.
    After Turner, however, it's Oladipo and question marks.

    And Oladipo is a fine player. He's can score, he can facilitate a bit and he'll put up numbers next season with the ball in his hands all of the time, but I'm not sure I'd be thrilled to pay a high-usage guard who can't really shoot worth $21 million for each of the next four seasons. The Pacers are making a big bet that he'll continue to develop and turn into a player they can pair alongside Turner for the future.

    As for Sabonis, he had his moments for the Thunder in his rookie season, but he's also a big man who shot 39.9 percent, which is concerning to say the least. He's still just 21 years old, though, and to write him off completely would be unwise, but there is no guarantee he's going to be a part of the Pacers' long-term plans.
    T.J. Leaf, their first-round draft pick could be a solid player, but doesn't appear to be a franchise-altering addition. Lance Stephenson is back and there's really no telling how that will go. ( Sorry this is me, but had to laugh hard at this )Glenn Robinson III is worth keeping an eye on. And veterans Monta Ellis and Al Jefferson are still around -- at least for now.

    Aside from Myles Turner being the face of the franchise, pretty much everything is up in the air for the Pacers as they try to rebuild after losing their franchise forward. As Kevin Pritchard and Co. continue to make moves to reshape this roster, things are going to get weird in Indiana over the next couple of years, and not in a good way.
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    Default Re: After sending Paul George to the Thunder, where do the Pacers go from here?

    I don't get why everyone is so upset about this deal.

    First off, we don't know for sure what deals were really offered.

    Second, PG screwed us by continuing to sav he was going to LA. We had no leverage.

    We wound up getting a 24 year old, proven starting soothing guard that is under contract for 4 more years. He has improved his shooting every year he has been in the league. There is no reason to think that he has peaked. Yes his contract is a little high, but had we gone after a 24 year old veteran with a career scoring average of 16 points per game in free agency, we would have to pay him $21 million per year. This contract will also get better as the salary cap increases.

    Now to answer the question of the thread. It seems to me like we are trying to get young players that have a lot of upside. If we can get some with NBA experience, that's even better.

    We currently have a starting Center and Shooting Guard in place for the next few years. I think we are going to find a starting Point Guard in free agency. We will see Lance and GRIII coming off the bench.

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    I think your evaluation of Victor is rather on the positive end of things regarding him, but to each their opinion, offcourse.
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    It's weird when people rattle off stuff like "16 ppg" when talking about a player like it matters. Did it when we signed Ellis and tons of other scrubs too. PPG is a meaningless stat. Every able bodied adult human being on the planet can put a basketball in a hoop. Doing it efficiently is what separates the pros from the Joes. Sadly Dipo has not yet shown the ability to do it efficiently.

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    Default Re: After sending Paul George to the Thunder, where do the Pacers go from here?

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    It's weird when people rattle off stuff like "16 ppg" when talking about a player like it matters. Did it when we signed Ellis and tons of other scrubs too. PPG is a meaningless stat. Every able bodied adult human being on the planet can put a basketball in a hoop. Doing it efficiently is what separates the pros from the Joes. Sadly Dipo has not yet shown the ability to do it efficiently.
    My thoughts exactly.
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    How Sabonis develops is what can make this trade go from bad to just okay. If he develops into a double-double guy then I'll be happy. A front court of Myles, Thad, Leaf, Ike, Sabonis, Jefferson, Lavoy, and Sepaphin is pretty solid in my opinion (albeit very young). Where we're now really weak is on the wing and at point guard. It seems Lance might start at the 1, we'll see how that works out. I hope we get rid of Monta, he has become a liability even on the offensive end now. Hopefully we can shore these up during free agency. If we can do these three things we can make it was a 7th/8th seed: 1) we play really good team basketball 2) one of more of our young big men have good rookie/2nd year seasons 3) Myles Turner continues to develop into a future perennial All-Star
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    Default Re: After sending Paul George to the Thunder, where do the Pacers go from here?

    44% from the field, 36% from 3 point range looks pretty decent to me.

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    I think your evaluation of Victor is rather on the positive end of things regarding him, but to each their opinion, offcourse.
    To be fair to Oladipo, he's been a better shooter percentage wise for his career than PG. Oladipo's first three years were very much on a par with PGs. PG took a big leap in year 4, while Oladipo got paired with a player who had the highest usage rate in the entire history of the modern NBA. I wouldn't sleep on what VO can do in year five on a much more balanced team.
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    It's weird when people rattle off stuff like "16 ppg" when talking about a player like it matters. Did it when we signed Ellis and tons of other scrubs too. PPG is a meaningless stat. Every able bodied adult human being on the planet can put a basketball in a hoop. Doing it efficiently is what separates the pros from the Joes. Sadly Dipo has not yet shown the ability to do it efficiently.
    Yet career shooting percentage is better than PG.
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    Yet career shooting percentage is better than PG.
    The difference is PG had to be the focal point on offense and defence and usually drew the best defenders. I WILL give you the point about playing with Westbrook though...
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    Let's wait and see how the rest of the offseason shapes up. The Pacers are still just one or two players away from being at least as good as last season. And if not, at least the players here will be players that want to be here.

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    The difference is PG had to be the focal point on offense and defence and usually drew the best defenders. I WILL give you the point about playing with Westbrook though...
    Oh, agreed. Also big difference in that PG had a couple years on one of the top two teams in the east with elite defenders around him and David West to help carry the offensive load. VO has been on some pretty **** teams. My point being the VO has played pretty well in tough circumstances. He has a history of being a team-first player that gives 100% effort and works hard to improve. IMO the Pacers next year will be a better-balanced team than he has ever played on, and he could shine. Last year was a mess for VO, and the year before that in Orlando that team was also an unbalanced mess.
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    Well you also have to look at the fact that PG takes a lot more threes than Dipo. Career True Shooting % is in Paul's favor 55.6% vs 52.7% and Effective Field Goal percentage 50.2% vs 48.3%. Dipo has improved in both categories every year though while PG has kinda been all over the board so there is some hope I think.

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    Oh, agreed. Also big difference in that PG had a couple years on one of the top two teams in the east with elite defenders around him and David West to help carry the offensive load. VO has been on some pretty **** teams. My point being the VO has played pretty well in tough circumstances. He has a history of being a team-first player that gives 100% effort and works hard to improve. IMO the Pacers next year will be a better-balanced team than he has ever played on, and he could shine. Last year was a mess for VO, and the year before that in Orlando that team was also an unbalanced mess.
    So he's going to blossom like James Harden did? Sweet. Obviously kidding as to that level of ascension, but if you can't dream in a rebuilding year, what else can you do?
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    It's weird when people rattle off stuff like "16 ppg" when talking about a player like it matters. Did it when we signed Ellis and tons of other scrubs too. PPG is a meaningless stat. Every able bodied adult human being on the planet can put a basketball in a hoop. Doing it efficiently is what separates the pros from the Joes. Sadly Dipo has not yet shown the ability to do it efficiently.
    Dipo is a really good defender, unlike Ellis and those scrublords.

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    So he's going to blossom like James Harden did? Sweet. Obviously kidding as to that level of ascension, but if you can't dream in a rebuilding year, what else can you do?
    Stranger things have happened. There were Jordan (as in, MJ) comparisons when he was entering the draft.

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    Let's wait and see how the rest of the offseason shapes up. The Pacers are still just one or two players away from being at least as good as last season. And if not, at least the players here will be players that want to be here.
    Yeah I think the timing of the PG trade shows we are gonna be active in free agency. I bet we get 1-2 very good players nd field a solid team.

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    Yeah I think the timing of the PG trade shows we are gonna be active in free agency. I bet we get 1-2 very good players nd field a solid team.
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    Probably

    Not according to the group of naybobs on ESPN.....their opinion (said with a laugh)...why would anyone want to go their now?
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    To the older guys on here...... Does this feel like PG got the Donnie Walsh treatment? Oh, you want to be traded? OK, but you won't like where you're going.
    Or am I disremembering?
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    It's weird when people rattle off stuff like "16 ppg" when talking about a player like it matters. Did it when we signed Ellis and tons of other scrubs too. PPG is a meaningless stat. Every able bodied adult human being on the planet can put a basketball in a hoop. Doing it efficiently is what separates the pros from the Joes. Sadly Dipo has not yet shown the ability to do it efficiently.
    So Russell Westbrook sucks? Noted.

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    Well you also have to look at the fact that PG takes a lot more threes than Dipo. Career True Shooting % is in Paul's favor 55.6% vs 52.7% and Effective Field Goal percentage 50.2% vs 48.3%. Dipo has improved in both categories every year though while PG has kinda been all over the board so there is some hope I think.
    So Paul, an all star, has been a little more efficient than Oladipo. I'm just lost as to why you're acting as if Oladipo is insanely inefficient with no other skill sets in one post and then compare him to Paul George in another. Oladipo creates his own shot a lot of the time. If you're just going to look at eFG CJ Miles was amazing last year! But you have to take shot creation into consideration atleast some when looking at advanced metrics.

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    Haha what a strange article. Where do the pacers go from here? We don't know. They have Turner, though!
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    Default Re: After sending Paul George to the Thunder, where do the Pacers go from here?

    The Pacers have their starting a Center and Shooting Guard for the next few seasons.

    I would hang on to TYoung this year and see what we have with Leaf and Sabonis. Hopefully one of them will show us that they can be the PF of the future.

    I would try to find a veteran Point Guard and Small Forward to sign to short term contracts. Next summer through the draft and free agency, I would try to find more permanent players for those positions.

    I would use Lance and GRIII off the bench this season and hopefully we will be able to keep them long term.

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    I suppose the starting lineup is Turner, Thad, RGIII, VO, Lance.

    Really poor shooting team. Defense might be interesting. The size in the backcourt and mobility of the bigs would allow a lot of switching. But with bad shooting and no go to guy the offense will be really bad.

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