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  • #46
    Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

    Originally posted by MagicRat
    I had a little different thought.....





    Don't ban me, Jay......

    rat...thats a classic....i busted out laughing so hard my gf asked from the other room what was so funny....way way too funny...

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    • #47
      Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

      Originally posted by foretaz
      i knew i shouldve put more smilies in that post....that post was surely in jest...i was hoping it was seen as an obvious attempt at humor....though i know ur feelings on chuck....maybe this should be a lesson for all of us....notice how quickly you came to his defense??? with a list of facts that seem very convincing in the face of derogatory comments?

      hmmmm....this is starting to sound vaguely familiar..

      again...i loved chuck....he was arguably the first significant piece of taking this franchise from the bottom tier of the nba to the very upper echelon....

      and again....that post was meant to be a lot of fun...granted at chucks expense....
      I would've thought you were joking if you stopped a little sooner. But you kept going and I just couldn't wait to start typing *that* reply.
      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
      And life itself, rushing over me
      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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      • #48
        Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

        Originally posted by MagicRat
        I had a little different thought.....





        Don't ban me, Jay......

        You're pushin' it, buddy.

        Although that's absolutely hilarious.






        Chuckburger.jpg. You're killing me.
        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
        And life itself, rushing over me
        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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        • #49
          Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

          Hey, was the term "chucking the three" coined BEFORE or AFTER the Rifleman's tenure in the NBA?

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          • #50
            Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

            Originally posted by Unclebuck
            Those are way overrated
            I never got them either. A warm glazed is kind of nice, but overall nothing special. But some people act like they're gourmet or something. Prices are anyway.

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            • #51
              Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

              Originally posted by Jay@Section204
              Eh, quit telling me what to think.

              I've wanted his butt off the Pacers since the day they traded for him; that ain't going to change and it has nothing to do with forgiveness. Its not that I don't have any confidence he can change; its that I'm 100% confident he won't change.

              He's always been part of the problem; the solution has always been to cast him off and re-work the team without him. Even without having a replacement, this team was good enough to lose to Detroit in six games again this season, so finding another SF to get them over the hump is not an impossible task. And yes, it might take a season or two for that to all come together. But that's still less time than "never". When Ron's career ends, I'm not even sure he'll be known as the "best player to never play in The Finals."

              There are plenty of 3rd-team all-NBA players that have not and will never win a championship. But none of them are anywhere near as disruptive as Ron.

              A player's value includes everything, not just thier on-court production. Yes, I exaggerate when I say I'd trade him for a bag of chips. Big deal.
              I'm not exaggerating when I say I'd trade him for a bag of chips. They could even be stale. (yes of course it would be nice to get something useful for him, point is, just get him the hell off this team)

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              • #52
                Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

                The guy I would consider trading Ron for is Ron's buddy Lamar Odom. I like Odom's passing game and his ability to play both forward positions. I think he would be a nice fit playing side-by-side with JO and Steve Jackson. I'd prefer Ron, but of all the Artest trades that have bounced around, I like an Odom trade best.

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                • #53
                  Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

                  Ron and Bender work for Odom and the tall Eastern European.
                  "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

                  "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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                  • #54
                    Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

                    Originally posted by sixthman
                    The guy I would consider trading Ron for is Ron's buddy Lamar Odom. I like Odom's passing game and his ability to play both forward positions. I think he would be a nice fit playing side-by-side with JO and Steve Jackson. I'd prefer Ron, but of all the Artest trades that have bounced around, I like an Odom trade best.
                    Think Phil would have a calming influence on Ron? I think Ron would go off the deep end (as if he hasn't already) with all the distractions here in LA. Or maybe it would have the opposite effect. Who knows.

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                    • #55
                      Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

                      Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                      I would've thought you were joking if you stopped a little sooner. But you kept going and I just couldn't wait to start typing *that* reply.

                      Stopped a little sooner! {howling}

                      That was a short post!

                      Can't you see it takes him five paragraphs just to say no? {giggle,giggle,snort}

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                      • #56
                        Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

                        Originally posted by Will Galen
                        Stopped a little sooner! {howling}

                        That was a short post!

                        Can't you see it takes him five paragraphs just to say no? {giggle,giggle,snort}

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                        • #57
                          Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

                          Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                          Last year, the story was that Ron was more interested in busting his *** to promote that album than bust his *** to help the Pacers.

                          First, he promised the album would be done by the time the season started. It was reported that he came into camp out of shape and the album wasn't done. Alledgedly, he wanted time off to finish that, or at least that was the "public story" but many of us also know that he just plain volunteered to quit on the team.

                          Perhaps he will bust his *** no matter what the situation is. Maybe he won't. That's anything but a certainty, however. The more important question is, will Ron be busting his *** while he looks out for #1, as he's known to do? Or will he ever learn to channel his efforts toward the team (and willingly submit his individual talents for the good of the team)?

                          I've always said, if we were picking players for the NBA 1-on-1 tourney that Ron would be my guy. But in a team setting, he's not very useful and he's borderline expendable.

                          If he were to be traded, I'd be happy with a box of warm Krispy Kreme's. I'd like the Pacers to come up with *any* other legit starting SF, because the lack of a contingency plan last season cost Reggie and the rest of the team a shot at a title. They could do that via the draft, free agency, or trade. Its not like these guys totally sucked without him, his presence is significantly overstated.
                          Good post.

                          Yes, his presence is EXTREMELY overrated.

                          A Pacers team with a hobbled O'Neal and Tinsley, but with a basically healthy Artest(physically that is) lost to Detroit in 6 games in 2004.(Fact)

                          A Pacers team with a hobbled O'Neal and Tinsley, with no Ron Artest at all, lost to Detroit in 6 games in 2005.(Fact)

                          We all know the guy is an amazing talent. Like Jay mentioned, he would dominate 1 on 1 play. But is antics are clearly "detrimental" to the team.

                          I don't think his postseason history is anything to brag about at all. Paul Pierce lit this team up in 2003. It was one of the worst spectacles I have seen in Pacers playoff history. In 2004, the Celts were just total garbage. Ron didn't even play in one of those games because he was suspended(suprise, suprise). In crunch time in game 6 of 04 against Det, Ron lost his cool. In 2005, the Artest-less Pacers eliminated the Celtics.

                          With a sane Artest, I believe that the Pacers could eliminate any team in the east except the Heat and the Pistons.

                          Without Artest, I believe that the Pacers could eliminate any team in the east except the Heat and the Pistons.

                          I don't think it's worth the risk to see if he can "mature" in the future. What in Ron's past makes you believe he will "mature"

                          I just don't see how one player can be more important than the entire franchise. A player who was more concerned about his rap album last year than the team. A player who was ready to quit on the team. A player that claimed that he was the "number 1". Any team that put their franchise on Ron Artest's shoulders would be sunk. The guy can play, but he has no leadership whatsoever, and has caused trouble with his teammates.

                          Again, I must emphazise that I know that Ron Artest has amazing basketball skills. But this isn't streetball in Rutgers Park(which I'm sure Ron could dominate in). This is a TEAM game, and Ron Artest's negatives clearly outweigh the positives, IMO.

                          The Pacers would be fine if they could just get SOMETHING for him. If the Pacers hopes hinge on Artest, then something is terribly wrong.

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                          • #58
                            Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

                            Originally posted by PacerFanAdam
                            Good post.

                            Yes, his presence is EXTREMELY overrated.

                            A Pacers team with a hobbled O'Neal and Tinsley, but with a basically healthy Artest(physically that is) lost to Detroit in 6 games in 2004.(Fact)

                            A Pacers team with a hobbled O'Neal and Tinsley, with no Ron Artest at all, lost to Detroit in 6 games in 2005.(Fact)

                            We all know the guy is an amazing talent. Like Jay mentioned, he would dominate 1 on 1 play. But is antics are clearly "detrimental" to the team.

                            I don't think his postseason history is anything to brag about at all. Paul Pierce lit this team up in 2003. It was one of the worst spectacles I have seen in Pacers playoff history. In 2004, the Celts were just total garbage. Ron didn't even play in one of those games because he was suspended(suprise, suprise). In crunch time in game 6 of 04 against Det, Ron lost his cool. In 2005, the Artest-less Pacers eliminated the Celtics.

                            With a sane Artest, I believe that the Pacers could eliminate any team in the east except the Heat and the Pistons.

                            Without Artest, I believe that the Pacers could eliminate any team in the east except the Heat and the Pistons.

                            I don't think it's worth the risk to see if he can "mature" in the future. What in Ron's past makes you believe he will "mature"

                            I just don't see how one player can be more important than the entire franchise. A player who was more concerned about his rap album last year than the team. A player who was ready to quit on the team. A player that claimed that he was the "number 1". Any team that put their franchise on Ron Artest's shoulders would be sunk. The guy can play, but he has no leadership whatsoever, and has caused trouble with his teammates.

                            Again, I must emphazise that I know that Ron Artest has amazing basketball skills. But this isn't streetball in Rutgers Park(which I'm sure Ron could dominate in). This is a TEAM game, and Ron Artest's negatives clearly outweigh the positives, IMO.

                            The Pacers would be fine if they could just get SOMETHING for him. If the Pacers hopes hinge on Artest, then something is terribly wrong.

                            so much venom at such a young age....

                            not sure what it is....but u certainly seem to have a great deal of negative emotion towards ron....what did he do to u???

                            btw....there was no rap album....if ur gonna get on a soap box u probably should have ur facts straight.....i wont go into the rest of it....seems u just need to vent....get a good nites sleep...everything should be better in the morning

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                            • #59
                              Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

                              Originally posted by foretaz
                              so much venom at such a young age....

                              not sure what it is....but u certainly seem to have a great deal of negative emotion towards ron....what did he do to u???

                              btw....there was no rap album....if ur gonna get on a soap box u probably should have ur facts straight.....i wont go into the rest of it....seems u just need to vent....get a good nites sleep...everything should be better in the morning

                              I was under the impression that he had a rap album? Maybe I'm wrong?

                              Ron didn't do anything to "me" personally, just as I'm guessing he has never done anything to any person that views this board.

                              But he has done plenty of things that have been "detrimental to winning" over the past few years to tick me off as a Pacers fan. I get tickets for a few games every season. I buy their merchandise. I get my heart broken year after year as they make their inevitable journey to a tragic playoff loss. I earn the right to vent when I am not happy about the way the team is moving.

                              I'm sure you should be well aware of the things Ron has done to tick some fans off.

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                              • #60
                                Re: If Ron were inevitably going to be traded...

                                Originally posted by PacerFanAdam
                                I was under the impression that he had a rap album? Maybe I'm wrong?

                                Ron didn't do anything to "me" personally, just as I'm guessing he has never done anything to any person that views this board.

                                But he has done plenty of things that have been "detrimental to winning" over the past few years to tick me off as a Pacers fan. I get tickets for a few games every season. I buy their merchandise. I get my heart broken year after year as they make their inevitable journey to a tragic playoff loss. I earn the right to vent when I am not happy about the way the team is moving.

                                I'm sure you should be well aware of the things Ron has done to tick some fans off.
                                well i guess that i would expect a fan who wants to vent about such things to know a little more about what actually is going on....there was no rap album at all....he produced an R & B album from the female group Allure...

                                it seems you are repeating alot of things uve read versus anything that is very original....

                                if im gonna hate and vent about something id like to think id be damn sure about what i was so upset about to begin with...

                                and btw...if uve been a pacers fan for the last 10 years i would tell u that very few franchises have had the success the pacers have had over the last 10...

                                things could be much, much worse....think about it...u could live in atlanta...how u think it would be being a hawks fan....

                                youre too young to exude such hate....cheer up...its basketball....and u dont even know the guy personally....if u did...ud probably have a much different take on things....remember....hes a human too....how would u feel if someone was saying the things u are saying about someone that doesnt know u...in fact that person is saying things that simply arent true about u...how would that feel?

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