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    Don't draft busts then.
    sure, just draft Bruce Brown and you're golden

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    The wheel would give you a top 5 pick every 6 years, the length of the last top 5 pick's first contract. That seems fair to me.

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    The wheel would give you a top 5 pick every 6 years, the length of the last top 5 pick's first contract. That seems fair to me.
    top 5 pick in 2012 would mean we coulda taken Robbie Hummel and saved the clock tower, so yeah, may be onto something.

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    I'd prefer the 'vote for the other 29 teams' method of determining the draft over 'everyone gets the best pick every 30 years and it rotates'. The reason being I'm not a fan of the idea of risking the worst teams picking low or the best teams picking high unless it's because of trades.

    For the moment, I still think the voting idea is my favorite. The teams that most need those picks are almost always going to get the best picks every year that way, and if everyone is pissed at team X for blatantly tanking, they can speak with their votes and give them a lower pick.

    If that many teams didn't care for Philly doing so lately, maybe they still give them a high pick but maybe it's close to 5th than 1st.

    In general, the votes will probably be close to the order of which teams lost the most games, but if they feel some of those teams lost on purpose they may slide a bit in favor of teams that just legitimately couldn't do better. Which is how it should be IMO.


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    http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/09/08/...y-a-vegan-now/

    Trail Blazersí Damian Lillard is apparently a vegan now


    What is the most Portland thing that Damian Lillard could do? The answer is obvious.

    According to a recent post to his Instagram, the Portland Trail Blazers star point guard is now going with a vegan diet.

    Lillard decided to move to a vegan cuisine in order to drop some pounds this season. The goal for Lillard was to get down to the 190 pounds he played at when he was a rookie.

    Via TrailBlazers.com:


    This has to be some kind of a response to Lillard battling with constant aches and pains over the course of last season. The point guard has been rock solid for the Trail Blazers in his five seasons with the team, playing in all 82 regular season games in his first three seasons and 75 regular season games each of the last two.

    But Lillard had to deal with a nagging leg injury last year, and it was clear that he didnít have the explosiveness he needed in the first half of the season. C.J. McCollum was at times a more important player for the Trail Blazers due to some of Lillardís up and down play as he tried to force the issue.

    Most of us wouldnít decide to go with a vegan diet, but if you had to the best way to do it certainly would be with a private chef. No doubt fans in Portland are hoping to see a quicker Lillard next year.

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    Man who pied Kevin Johnson in the face sentenced to time already served


    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) ó A man accused of hitting Kevin Johnson in the face with a coconut cream pie when he was mayor of Sacramento, California, has pleaded no contest to misdemeanor disturbing the peace.

    The Sacramento Bee reports that activist Sean Thompson was sentenced Thursday to two daysí time already served in jail after prosecutors agreed to the lesser charge.

    Thompson had been charged with misdemeanor assault and battery.

    The pie attack occurred at a charity event a year ago. Johnson, a former NBA star, responded by punching Thompson.

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    https://www.theplayerstribune.com/is...cavaliers/amp/

    Great piece by IT3. Great competitor and class act.

    I specifically liked his part about loyalty. Gives a different perspective.

    I wish him the best in Cleveland this year

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    I think the team with the best over all shooting percentage should get the top pick, worse % gets the last pick.

    Gives a team incentive to work on shooting skills and increase the quality of the game.
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    Strictly taking the narrow view on draft reform... The Pacers don't tank, so any flattening of the odds is probably favorable to them.

    From a wider perspective, the draft always seemed a little perverse to me since it awards losing with high draft positions. While I admire its socialist provision ("to each according to his needs", etc), I don't think it necessarily works in a competitive league, and especially not if the draft system is easily gamed. I'm in favor of solutions that decouple losing from draft position, such as the wheel.

    The league isn't looking for revolutionary solutions, though. They're trying to address the image problem created by tanking, that is the perception that in any given season, somewhere from between a quarter to a third of teams aren't really trying to win games. I'm not sure that this a problem that can be solved though - for sure there are going to be bad teams, but does it really matter whether they are bad deliberately or accidentally? It seems a fine line to me.

    Take the Pacers. They're going to be bad this year, and it's not because they're trying to be bad. That won't stop attendance and interest from plummeting, however. No doubt it would be worse if the Pacers pulled a Hinkie and basically say "don't bother tuning in for the next 3 seasons, but by the 4th season it will be glorious", but either way we're flirting with bottom of the league in attendance. It's not going to be pretty.

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    I think the team with the best over all shooting percentage should get the top pick, worse % gets the last pick.

    Gives a team incentive to work on shooting skills and increase the quality of the game.
    With the first pick in the 2017 NBA draft, the NBA champion Golden State Warriors select . . .
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    I would prefer to eliminate the draft and give each team rookie scale salary slots based on record. Then teams can negotiate with players coming into the league. If the players can choose where they want to go coming into the league, then the NBA could have a franchise tag for those players.

    But that's not going to happen. I think if the lottery system chose the top 6 spots instead of the top 3, then it would reduce the incentive to tank.
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    MIAMI (AP) ó Tim Duncan is asking for help for the U.S. Virgin Islands, and says he will match donations up to the first $1 million.

    Duncan writes on The Playersí Tribune that he is donating $250,000 immediately to storm relief efforts after there was extensive damage from Hurricane Irma, and noting that Hurricane Jose has developed behind.

    The retired San Antonio Spurs star was born and grew up on the U.S. Virgin Islands, and writes that many of his old friends are suffering.

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    I would prefer to eliminate the draft and give each team rookie scale salary slots based on record. Then teams can negotiate with players coming into the league. If the players can choose where they want to go coming into the league, then the NBA could have a franchise tag for those players.

    But that's not going to happen. I think if the lottery system chose the top 6 spots instead of the top 3, then it would reduce the incentive to tank.
    plus a damn fine night of tv

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    plus a damn fine night of tv
    And this is so, so true. ESPN has a contract to televise the draft, which is probably as big a reason as any why it would never be eliminated.
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    There is no easy fix for the current draft system; however, the biggest complaint has been incentivizing the tank game many teams are playing. The way I would fix that is to make the draft positions almost, but not quite, preset. I would propose that the six divisions each get an opportunity to have a top five pick and a top 10 pick once every six years. Divisions would rotate the picks in "tiers": Tier 1 (picks 1-5), Tier 2 (picks 6-10), Tier 3 (picks 11-15), Tier 4 (picks 16-20), Tier 5 (picks 21-25), and Tier 6 (picks 26-30). Each division would do a lottery where every teams gets 1 ping pong ball (20% chance at the highest pick in their tier), and there is a drawing for the order of their tier that year. Pattern moving from picks/tiers: 1-5, 21-25, 16-20, 11-15, 6-10, 26-30, repeat.




    Under this system you know what range your draft pick will be in each year, but you still need to do a draft lottery for each tier to determine what pick each team will receive. This allows the NBA/ESPN to keep their draft lottery and draft shows, while also allowing each team the chance for a top 10 pick every few years. This will also help narrow down the values of traded picks because you know that you will have a pick within a range of 5 spots. The second round of the draft could simply be in the order of worst record to best record. I don't foresee anyone tanking for a high second round pick so keeping that relatively similar to the current system wouldn't be an issue. Thoughts?

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    http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/09/10/...ith-ray-allen/

    Paul Pierce says itís time to bury the hatchet with Ray Allen


    Celtics players and fans viewed Ray Allen as a traitor when he bolted a Boston team that had just gone seven games with LeBron James and Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals, and he signed on with the Heat. There was some serious bad blood between Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and those Celtics players and Allen, with the remaining Celtics thinking they had something special and Allen treated it like a business. Of course, Allen went on to hit maybe the biggest shot in Heat history to force overtime in Game 6 and eventually beat the Spurs in the Finals, earning himself another ring.

    Pierce posted a picture of himself with Allen on Instagram and said that itís time to move on.


    Iím not sure everyone in Boston feels that way, or if KG does, but Pierce has come to the end of his NBA career and is not going to sweat the small stuff anymore. Pierce doesnít have that 2008 ring without Allen, and as he said #onceacelticalwaysaceltic.

    Meaning you can bet Allen is at the Pierce jersey retirement ceremony in Boston in February.

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    no it isn't. you're the most pessimistic dude ever man.
    What does pessimism have to do with it? You're making a "guarantee".

    Essentially, you are saying that a single championship is so important you would be willing for the Pacers to play bad basketball for the next few decades in exchange. However, if a championship is THAT important, I can pretty much guarantee enthusiasm for a crappy Pacers team will wane after 5 years or so.
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    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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    What does pessimism have to do with it? You're making a "guarantee".

    Essentially, you are saying that a single championship is so important you would be willing for the Pacers to play bad basketball for the next few decades in exchange. However, if a championship is THAT important, I can pretty much guarantee enthusiasm for a crappy Pacers team will wane after 5 years or so.
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    What does pessimism have to do with it? You're making a "guarantee".

    Essentially, you are saying that a single championship is so important you would be willing for the Pacers to play bad basketball for the next few decades in exchange. However, if a championship is THAT important, I can pretty much guarantee enthusiasm for a crappy Pacers team will wane after 5 years or so.
    BillS, if it makes you feel better I don't find you that pessimistic.
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    http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/09/12/...son-at-age-40/

    Stephon Marbury wants to return, play one more NBA season at age 40


    Stephon Marbury hasnít played an NBA game since the end of the 2009 NBA season ó the season Derrick Rose was Rookie of the Year.

    Starting in 2010, he went to China and went on to become a pioneer for other American hoopsters heading to that country ó and he became a legend in Beijing. He led the Beijing Ducks to two Chinese Basketball Association titles and had such an impact he has a statue in his honor and a musical about him and his impact on Chinese culture.

    Now, at age 40 and with his career in China winding down, he wants one more shot in the NBA, and he posted about it on Instagram.


    It would be a fun story, but I donít see how it happens. Last season in China Marbury averaged 21.4 points and 5.5 assists per game, shooting 34.1 percent from three. Those numbers sound impressive until you consider that the Chinese league is known for an appalling lack of defense ó I donít mean major college bad, more like DIII bad (and thatís not fair to the DIII guys, who at least try). Maybe a better description is disinterested AAU team bad. Let me put it this way, last season the top three scorers in China were Jimmer Fredette at 37.6 points per game, Errick McCollum at 37.5, and MarShon Brooks 36.2 ó and none of them got NBA contracts.

    Marbury was struggling to stay on the court and play at an NBA level eight years ago, itís hard to imagine him doing it now.

    I loved Marburyís game and would love to see him play again, but this may be more of a Big3 situation than the NBA. That said, a team or two may give him a look.

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    Maybe this is old news....But more of a confirmation....LOL at this offer from the Lakers a few months back:

    http://www.ocregister.com/2017/07/27...oster-changes/

    The Lakers offer was Clarkson+Randle+27+28 for PG13.
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    Maybe this is old news....But more of a confirmation....LOL at this offer from the Lakers a few months back:

    http://www.ocregister.com/2017/07/27...oster-changes/

    The Lakers offer was Clarkson+Randle+27+28 for PG13.
    I'd probably have preferred it to what we got

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