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    Just do the lottery at the All Star Break by worst record, teams can't be top 3 for more than 1 season out of 3.

    Boom, added All Star event hype, no more stupid separate lottery day, reduced incentive for tanking, etc.

    You're welcome, Silver.

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    also, while they're fixing the lotto, fix League Pass streaming

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    Any lottery reforms are just pussyfooting around The One True Solution: The Wheel.

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    just dump the draft and rookie wage scale altogether. Pacers are gonna have 40 mil or whatever in cap space, want the #1 pick? go sign Marvin Bagley for the max off the bat.
    1) No rookie wage scale more or less means no small market team will ever sign a #1 pick unless they currently are filled with vet min guys. Do you remember the number of teams who had to give up their #1 pick for salary reasons?

    2) Giving a draftee the max right off the bat has to be one of the worst gambles in sports, especially in a league where you have no idea how a guy will perform professionally since you've only ever really seen him in high school and against other one-and-done players all more or less stat stuffing.
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    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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    I really don't think there is a way to stop tanking. I think what they are trying to stop is the perennial 76er tanking. They really don't want to see Atlanta or Chicago tanking the next three years and veterans taking minimums for the superteams. You'll always have the Ray Allen's jumping on the train, but too many players aren't getting the MLE because tanking teams don't want long term contracts.

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    1) No rookie wage scale more or less means no small market team will ever sign a #1 pick unless they currently are filled with vet min guys. Do you remember the number of teams who had to give up their #1 pick for salary reasons?

    2) Giving a draftee the max right off the bat has to be one of the worst gambles in sports, especially in a league where you have no idea how a guy will perform professionally since you've only ever really seen him in high school and against other one-and-done players all more or less stat stuffing.
    1) no it doesn't, there is no draft. not talking about a Glenn Robinson situation. rookies declare for the league and that's it, they're FAs and anybody can go get em. some young stud wants to pass up 15 mil a year or whatever the difference between the max and min is to ride the bench for the Dubs or whomever, hey, more power to him but he'd be a REAL damn rare 19 year old.

    2) and? a franchise either has confidence in their scouts and evaluators or they don't. if they do then make the move, if not don't, nobody's forcing em to. if anything it'd help the small/mid market teams that have strong evaluation departments, which I believe the Pacers to be one of. GMs are already getting their hands held enough with the rookie scale, RFA, and max deals.
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    No draft means that players will flock to big market teams at a higher rate. Who would want to go to Minnesota or Milwaukee? Miami and LA would get all the talent. Blazers might overpay and risk it. What happens when the number 1 pick signs minimum to the GSWs? Or the top three prospects join Dallas or the Spurs?

    I think it would create more problems than solve.

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    No draft means that players will flock to big market teams at a higher rate. Who would want to go to Minnesota or Milwaukee? Miami and LA would get all the talent. Blazers might overpay and risk it. What happens when the number 1 pick signs minimum to the GSWs? Or the top three prospects join Dallas or the Spurs?

    I think it would create more problems than solve.
    no it doesn't. there's still a cap. big time guys wouldn't go to Sota or Milwaukee because they're capped out not because it's Minnesota and Milwaukee, you bet your *** they'd come to Indiana and get paid. LA could sign a #1 pick caliber player, maybe even 2. and the Lakers suck and have for years, they SHOULD be able to sign high quality players like that. same way they just got the #2 pick, except in this scenario instead of getting a talent like Ball on the cheap they gotta give him big money (or he's gotta turn down big money) and then they can't turn around and sign PG and Lebron next summer.

    if there's a circumstance where a 19 year old kid wants to pass up dozens of millions of dollars to sign with the Dubs then so be it. I don't think it'd ever happen.

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    Any lottery reforms are just pussyfooting around The One True Solution: The Wheel.
    Have a wheel with 26 numbers (randomly posted), have a representative from each team come, spin the wheel and draft where it lands. Land on a spot already taken, you get the next number clock wise. Conference finalist and championship teams will pick 27-30. Have the second round go by record.

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    have a season ticket holder, voted on by fellow season ticket holders, from each team in a game of knockout. out first, 30th pick. win, 1st pick. 30 person knockout may be too chaotic, if so, HORSE. call it DRAFT and put it on NBATV on July 4th weekend.

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    no it doesn't. there's still a cap. big time guys wouldn't go to Sota or Milwaukee because they're capped out not because it's Minnesota and Milwaukee, you bet your *** they'd come to Indiana and get paid. LA could sign a #1 pick caliber player, maybe even 2. and the Lakers suck and have for years, they SHOULD be able to sign high quality players like that. same way they just got the #2 pick, except in this scenario instead of getting a talent like Ball on the cheap they gotta give him big money (or he's gotta turn down big money) and then they can't turn around and sign PG and Lebron next summer.

    if there's a circumstance where a 19-year-old kid wants to pass up dozens of millions of dollars to sign with the Dubs then so be it. I don't think it'd ever happen.
    If the cap isn't stopping players from superteams, how is it going to dissuade rookies from doing it? If rookies can just get endorsements to fill in their budget why would they just choose location more than contract with a team that doesn't have the same endorsement opportunities?

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    Give Silver a large dose of Ex-lax, have him walk around on a grid with squares for each of the teams and where the first one drops - they get the first pick. Repeat for the other teams.

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    If the cap isn't stopping players from superteams, how is it going to dissuade rookies from doing it? If rookies can just get endorsements to fill in their budget why would they just choose location more than contract with a team that doesn't have the same endorsement opportunities?
    name a player who hadn't already earned a gigantic deal that went to a superfriends team. Paul George got a national Gatorade deal and a signature Nike shoe in Indiana, same with KD in OKC, same with Kyrie in Cleveland. market doesn't dictate endorsement opportunities now. it helps, yes, but it prevent doesn't massive national deals. if you're good you're good, that's it.

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    would you trade the Pacers winning the title next year for them never again being over .500 the rest of your life?

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    would you trade the Pacers winning the title next year for them never again being over .500 the rest of your life?
    No. If a championship is that important to you then you're just saying that you won't follow the Pacers any more after that year.
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    would you trade the Pacers winning the title next year for them never again being over .500 the rest of your life?
    Depends on how short my life is afterwards. Feb 4, 2007 (date of Colts SB win) feels like a life time ago and it's been one hell of a frustrating decade.
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    Paul George got a national Gatorade deal and a signature Nike shoe in Indiana,
    And filmed it in LA. Playing in LA gives players more access to those opportunities.

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    No. If a championship is that important to you then you're just saying that you won't follow the Pacers any more after that year.
    no it isn't. you're the most pessimistic dude ever man.

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    And filmed it in LA. Playing in LA gives players more access to those opportunities.
    we seem to very much disagree on the degree of the difference. I think, regardless of market, off court opportunities are close enough to call them negligible if you're a superstar level player. off court day to day lifestyle is the difference. and PG being here sure as hell didn't stop him from having fun off the court, but being THE MAN on the Lakers is different. but PG's never gonna be that.

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    Any lottery reforms are just pussyfooting around The One True Solution: The Wheel.
    I remember Mark Cuban saying he liked this idea conceptually. I don't quite understand how it works yet.

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    If I knew before the season started that it was going to be THAT season and I could get to Vegas - sure.

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    I remember Mark Cuban saying he liked this idea conceptually. I don't quite understand how it works yet.
    don't bother with it, it's crap that doesn't account for busts and a franchise would be stuck for 5 years if they got one. I know I was just advocating for franchises to trust their evaluators in a draft-less world but that world wouldn't stop them from chasing another top tier player the very next year (or two years, however long it takes them to figure out the guy's a bust). the wheel would.

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    Don't draft busts then.

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