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    Poythress never played for Indy beyond the Mad Ants. The Sixers got him late in the season and he had a strong game against us late last season.
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    We did that, Grimp. He sucks, so we let him go.

    I've never been a big fan of the guy, but Troy Williams has been tearing it up in Summer League. Wouldn't have seen that coming.


    I'd be perfectly fine getting Troy Williams. I think he can be a good scorer off the bench. He's still super young too.

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    I'd be perfectly fine getting Troy Williams. I think he can be a good scorer off the bench. He's still super young too.
    He's a free agent Troy Williams isn't he?

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    Jawun Evans is very good, great defender too.
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    You guys need a PG? We'll trade you Yogi, hammons and finney Smith for Leaf if you dislike him so much. I know he needs to add some strength but with his versatility i think he will be a solid rebounder and offensive player.
    I like Leaf, that's just a couple of knuckleheads around here.
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    who the hell is Alex Caruso

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    who the hell is Alex Caruso
    Steve Blake
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    11,8 and 5 for Jawun Evans damn he is nice
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    Caruso is crazy good, amazing passes and floor vision


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    so apparently double OT is sudden death in summer league lol

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    I really like this rookie class.

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    Super impressed with John Collins (ATL) this summer league. Went a pick after us, and I think he could have done wonders for us. Several guys we passed on I think would have been a better option... Collins, Swanigan, Kuzma, Bolden, Ojeleye to name a few.

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    I'd be perfectly fine getting Troy Williams. I think he can be a good scorer off the bench. He's still super young too.
    Troy is the perfect example of how crappy the NBA product has become. Arguably the dumbest basketball player in IU history that nearly all IU fans wanted gone from the team because the man has no clue how to play the game, and yet he becomes a productive NBA player almost instantly. You see this trend far too often of guys how clearly cannot play within a structured offense or defense that relies on teammates working together, but when you put them in a 1on1 streetball-like setting, suddenly they are productive, if not stars.

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    I knew Mitchell was going to be good. Pacers need to hire me as a scout

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    The Two Men Who Make Money From the N.B.A. in Summer

    LAS VEGAS — The games may be exhibitions, and most of the players may be fringe candidates to make N.B.A. rosters, but the operation is highly professional.

    “We provide a credible product,” said Warren LeGarie, executive director of the N.B.A.’s Las Vegas summer league. “We also know we have to put on a show.”

    Featuring 24 of the league’s 30 teams and the top five picks from the recent N.B.A. draft, the Las Vegas summer league is the most important event on the N.B.A.’s summer calendar. “We are the Burning Man of basketball,” LeGarie said, later trying out an analogy involving the Mos Eisley cantina from “Star Wars.”

    N.B.A. teams are testing their rookies, and scouting players for the end of the bench. Foreign teams are searching for players who are not good enough for the N.B.A. but good enough for Greece or South Korea. Executives are here to wheel and deal, owners are here to meet with one another, and the news media is here to talk with sources.

    Fifteen years ago the summer landscape was splintered, the exhibition calendar was a hodgepodge and the organizations involved were fly-by-night. “I went to every summer league, and people hated them,” said LeGarie, who is also an agent, representing coaches like Rick Carlisle of the Dallas Mavericks and Terry Stotts of the Portland Trail Blazers.

    Executives would arrive as others were leaving, and scouts could not see all the players they wanted to evaluate. Games would not start on time, and it is hard to imagine that any of the leagues made money.

    That all changed with the introduction of the Las Vegas summer league in 2004. LeGarie started his career representing European players and coaches, bushwhacking across the world. He knew firsthand how badly all the N.B.A. business that went on during the summer needed to be harmonized in a central location.

    For years he bugged the league office and David Stern, then the N.B.A. commissioner, until he got the go-ahead to organize the Las Vegas league, heavily supported by the current commissioner, Adam Silver.

    The first year six teams attended, and the games were staged at the Cox Pavilion, a 2,500-capacity arena on the campus of the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. A handful of media members attended, as well as a few thousand fans across the entire schedule.

    LeGarie and Albert Hall, the co-founder and current vice president for business operations for the summer league, put up $30,000 of their own money. Along with their staff, they managed to strike up a few relationships with brands like Reebok and Saturn. But no real marketing dollars were coming in, even though Hall went to creative lengths in search of them.

    “I put a proposal on a size 21 shoe,” said Hall, who sent it off to the New York-New York Hotel and Casino. “It said, ‘We’re trying to get our foot in the door.’”

    Though the two men lost money the first year, by the second they were profitable.

    LeGarie and Hall are careful not to disparage their competition — the much smaller summer leagues in Orlando, Fla., and Utah — but it is clear they think teams that do not attend Vegas are making a poor decision, and are ceding a competitive advantage. The biggest differences between Las Vegas and Orlando, which hosts eight teams, are that in Orlando there are no fans and news media access is tightly controlled.

    More than 100,000 fans attended last year’s 11-day schedule in Las Vegas, and LeGarie and Hall expect 120,000 to 130,000 this year. Last year their market research found that 38 percent of attendees were from Southern California.

    Half of the games are still played in Cox Pavilion, but the other half are played in the adjoining Thomas and Mack Center, capacity 17,923. Last Friday’s session, featuring Lonzo Ball’s debut with the Los Angeles Lakers, sold out in advance — a first.

    LeGarie and Hall are even more excited about television growth. Every game is broadcast on an ESPN or NBA TV property, and the league is drawing an audience. The Friday night matchup between the Lakers and Boston Celtics drew 1.1 million viewers on ESPN, and ESPN said its summer league ratings over the first weekend were up 99 percent over last year.

    But they do not benefit monetarily from that audience, at least not directly. While the N.B.A. doesn’t own the Las Vegas summer league — LeGarie and Hall do through their company, VSL Properties — it does own the television rights, which are part of the larger package the N.B.A. sold to ESPN and Turner Sports in 2014, for $24 billion.

    Not that LeGarie is bitter about having this revenue stream for the league elude him. “Sometimes, great rewards don’t come in this life,” he said.

    LeGarie and Hall are in their element here. It is almost impossible to carry on a conversation because what seems like half of the thousands in attendance know them. As we walked around the Thomas and Mack concourse, every five feet a staff member, an usher or a child stopped them.

    The children were everywhere; so many more are here than are at a regular season N.B.A. game. After all, they are out of school and a ticket to watch nine hours of basketball is just $30. “It’s cheaper than day care,” Hall said.

    In a city known for excess — and disappointment — the summer league is a reliable bargain. It is “the people’s league,” Hall said, and the two men have built an entire community around the summer league with current players, retired players, coaches, referees and community service. They run a junior N.B.A. league, basketball clinics, movie screenings and all manner of ancillary programming.

    In an event-driven town, “we are that N.B.A. franchise in Las Vegas,” Hall said.

    As we talked outside an area where children (and some adults) could test their vertical leaps, one teenager came close to hitting the top vane of the Vertec device. “You hit the top and you’ll get two tickets,” Hall told him.

    After he succeeded, Hall pulled a couple of tickets out of his pocket and handed them over, before pulling him aside to talk.

    When Hall returned, he told me the young man was going to be an intern at the summer league next year.
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    I'm way more impressed with Tatum, he is nice.
    I've found him somewhat uninspiring. Terrific from the high-post inwards, especially from the mid-post area and the short corners. Not so impressive when he has to create from the perimeter though - not a great ball-handler in traffic, high center of gravity, flawed mechanics on his longer range shots: he leans his torso backwards and his arms don't remain locked up at a 90% angle, his elbows go up as he leans back and the back of his hands fall toward his shoulders. This movement is particularly accentuated when shooting off the catch. Seems far away from being a threat from the pick'n'roll. He's good enough with jabs and hesitation movements and stationary advanced dribbled moves and whatnot to get his defender out of balance enough to fire a pull-up but it's no easy task to be efficient enough these days by scoring from mid-range pull-ups (and post-ups). He's also a massive ball-stopper. Loves to square up to his defender, taking his time before settling on a move. More inclined to make tough shots than create easier ones.

    I feel I'd like Tatum a lot more if he were coming out 10 or 20 years ago. His game is reminiscent of guys like Jamal Mashburn or Big Dog. He's good at it and makes it look aesthetically appealing, but it carries a large form over function penalty. Needs a firmware update. Leave that godforsaken long-two wasteland and work on his 2-men game and 3pt shot. Looks like he'll be a very good rebounder and defender though.

    I agree with you about Lonzo. Not sure he's quite as creative as Rubio. Perhaps he is, but he struggles to move and displace defenses, which limits opportunities to make decisive passes. More of a ball-mover than a playmaker. Much better shot-maker than Rubio, although his funky mechanics make him limited there as well. Will struggle immensely defending NBA 1s. Actually Rubio isn't even a similar player (even among Spanish PGs, a prime Calderon would be a better comparison), Ball is more akin to an older Jason Kidd perhaps.

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    I'm a little sick to my stomach that we passed on John Collins for TJ Leaf. He has all of the tools to be a 20/10 player one day.

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    Fox has been killing Lonzo forever so he got shut down because of "groin injury" ...


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    Just watched TJ Leafs first summer league game on dvr for the first time. He is so so so far away from being even a rotation player. Maybe mad ants is a good idea? His footwork and footspeed is alarmingly worrisome to me. Ya small sample but man.

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    Just watched TJ Leafs first summer league game on dvr for the first time. He is so so so far away from being even a rotation player. Maybe mad ants is a good idea? His footwork and footspeed is alarmingly worrisome to me. Ya small sample but man.
    His first game was the second game for everyone else so he was a step behind.

    Watch his second game, he was great in that one.

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    Troy is the perfect example of how crappy the NBA product has become. Arguably the dumbest basketball player in IU history that nearly all IU fans wanted gone from the team because the man has no clue how to play the game, and yet he becomes a productive NBA player almost instantly. You see this trend far too often of guys how clearly cannot play within a structured offense or defense that relies on teammates working together, but when you put them in a 1on1 streetball-like setting, suddenly they are productive, if not stars.
    Summer league is probably a better forum for what Troy does well. He's still probably a ways away from doing anything in games that matter.

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    I'm a little sick to my stomach that we passed on John Collins for TJ Leaf. He has all of the tools to be a 20/10 player one day.
    He looks good in SL.

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    Lonzo is going to be what everyone thought Rubio would be when he was 18.

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    TJ Leaf sucks

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