And for the record, I've been in the "dark side" camp concerning Artest for over a year now, and I think this analogy beyond surface comparison is absurd.
And that's perfectly valid. It's just that things quickly came across (not really from you) that this was being taken much further than that, hence some of our responses.
If that's all that was meant, no harm done.
Are you so fired up to worship at the altar of Ron that you can't take a minute to read and digest a post, since? Settle down. Man!
Yes, I'm bowing at his humble name.
This is about the 5th or 6th time now that I'm going on the record with this:
I've decided to give Ron ONE more chance. Not an infinite number, but ONE. I might just have to use that at as my sig. I've said it before, I hate how people are labeled Ron haters, or Ron apologists. There is a middle ground, which I fall in.
To get back to the actual topic. By using Mike, that's saying because he didn't change Ron won't either. If you just think that Ron is in capable of changing, that's fine by me, but using one person as a guide for another isn't logical.
Is there an example in sports of someone with impulse control problems getting better down the line? I mean really better, not "he only does it half the time now".
My decision isn't based on Tyson. I said Tyson sparked it.
You know when you see someone on the street and he may faintly resemble a friend of yours, and then it makes you think of your actual friend?
Same kind of deal. Tyson, due to his upbringing and repeated infractions in his sport has quite a few similarities to Ron. There was a resemblance. Nothing more.
I'll stop there because (to sound totally condescending), you don't seem to grasp more than one concept in a post. Now re-read what was said, and quit focusing on Tyson to the exclusion of everything else that was said. I think you'll come away with a different stance.
Saying that tyson sparked the thought process is one thing, I'll agree to that. But to be fair, I didn't go after that part. BP took your post and turned it into an analogy, and that's where my problem with it begins.
To wonder, "Is Ron going to end up like X?" is one thing. To say X ended up this way, so Ron is too, is a TOTALLY different ballpark. I'm grasping the concept, you're just trying to play both fields the same, when in fact they're not.
Again, alright with you saying watching Tyson reminds you of Ron, and made you think is Ron going to change. Problem with saying Mike didn't change, so therefore neither will Ron. You can't judge one person, with another person's actions.
Well Iron Mike's list could be greatly shortened if you combined some of the notations. IE one note for the incident and another for the subsequent lawsuit....make it one incident not two.
However, it can also be argued that MT is alot older and had much more time to have these incidents and we need to look at # of incidents at same timepoints in their lives.....if we were doing a direct comparison. Big dif tho, until the brawl, Ron's tantrums were just that, tantrums. Never directed at any individual (Flagrant fouls not-withstanding). Tysons were ALL assault related. BUT....and this is the kicker, in spite of both peoples professed remoarse, there were other incidents.
I've always said Ron is like the little kid that tests his parents. He finds out where one limit exists and immediately starts pushing in another direction to see where the limit lies there. He never goes back to the first becasue he knows the limit there, but it almost becomes a game with them trying to find the limit.
Was it Since86 that said he was willing to give him one more chance? I can respect that if he realizes that for some of us that one more chance occured a couple of incidents ago. So, some have a little more tolerance than others.
If you get to thinkin’ you’re a person of some influence, try orderin’ somebody else’s dog around..
You guys are all missing the point........
You can dismiss every one of Tyson's incidents because he was World Champion, baby! Winning championships is the only thing that matters!
Until Ron starts winning titles he's much worse than Iron Mike.......
Does it make a difference that Ron plays a team sport and Tyson boxed solo? Do teammates influence each other enough to make that a significant issue here?
"If you ever crawl inside an old hollow log and go to sleep, and while you're in there some guys come and seal up both ends and then put it on a truck and take it to another city, boy, I don't know what to tell you." - Jack Handy
Only if the NBA was made up of scrubs.(I mean in their respective field of couse. I'd never tell them they were scrubs face to face.)
Of couse I'd hate to see what I'd do if the Pacers lost to the NBA equivalent of Buster Douglass.
How many times must I say it? I took the stance AFTER you called it an analogy.
To be completely honest, I didn't read Skaut's answer until after you put in that line.
The first list I compiled, the one that you responded too, was hardly tip of the iceberg. Those were things that I thought of right off the top of my head. I find it funny that showing the difference between each person's actions is now "over-the-top."