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    ESPN's latest Mock Draft

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...had&id=2083957

    1. MILWAUKEE BUCKS
    Marvin Williams
    NORTH CAROLINA | FRESHMAN | SMALL FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-8 | WEIGHT: 230 | AGE: 18
    The Bucks appear to be leaning toward taking Andrew Bogut in the draft, but we're sticking firm to the belief that Williams is the best prospect on the board. Bucks general manager Larry Harris has said he will draft on talent, not position, and we think once Williams rolls into town for a workout on June 19, he'll change his mind.

    2. ATLANTA HAWKS
    Andrew Bogut
    UTAH | SOPHOMORE | CENTER
    HEIGHT: 7-0 | WEIGHT: 250 | AGE: 20
    Bogut told Insider Friday the Hawks told him they'd take him with the No. 2 pick if he was still on the board. The team is desperate for a center, so it makes sense. If Bogut ends up going No. 1, they've told Williams they'll take him No. 2.

    3. PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
    Gerald Green
    GULF SHORES ACADEMY (TX) | H.S. | SHOOTING GUARD
    HEIGHT: 6-7 | WEIGHT: 192 | AGE: 19
    This is a tough pick to project because the Blazers are shopping it hard. Most of the teams trying to get up to this spot are after Chris Paul. The Blazers are looking at Paul, too, but given their commitment to Sebastian Telfair in the lottery last year, look for them to fill another need and grab Green, a player many feel has the upside of Tracy McGrady.

    4. NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
    Chris Paul
    WAKE FOREST | SOPHOMORE | POINT GUARD
    HEIGHT: 6-1 | WEIGHT: 178 | AGE: 20
    The Hornets' biggest need isn't at the point, but Paul is a big upgrade over Speedy Claxton and Dan Dickau. Suddenly the loss of Baron Davis doesn't sting as much. In fact, Paul's a better prospect than Baron was.

    5. CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
    Deron Williams
    ILLINOIS | JUNIOR | POINT GUARD
    HEIGHT: 6-3 | WEIGHT: 210 | AGE: 20
    The Bobcats are still trying to figure out a way to grab Paul or Marvin Williams. They'd trade No. 5 and No. 13 to get up to the second spot, but aren't willing to do it just to get to No. 3. If it doesn't work, they'll decide between Deron Williams, Raymond Felton and Danny Granger at this position.

    6. UTAH JAZZ
    Fran Vazquez
    SPAIN | POWER FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-11 | WEIGHT: 230 | AGE: 22
    The Jazz desperately need a point guard. But they also need more size and athleticism up front. The Jazz could move up a spot or two in the draft to grab Paul or Deron Williams, but they aren't high enough on Felton to pick him here. Vazquez is a safe pick who can step in and give them more depth in the paint.

    7. TORONTO RAPTORS
    Danny Granger
    NEW MEXICO | SENIOR | SMALL FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-8 | WEIGHT: 225 | AGE: 22
    Granger's stock just keeps climbing. He's one of the most complete players in the draft and should have the Shawn Marion-type ability to play like a four while playing the three. He has a good handle and a dramatically improved 3-point shot, and he's unselfish. He also has a great body and big-time athleticism. He's already an upgrade from Jalen Rose at small forward. While the Raptors have greater needs at center and point guard, they'll settle this year for the best prospect on the board.

    8. NEW YORK KNICKS
    Channing Frye
    ARIZONA | SENIOR | CENTER
    HEIGHT: 6-11 | WEIGHT: 245 | AGE: 22
    The Knicks secretly worked out Frye on the West Coast about a week ago and walked away pretty convinced he was their guy at No. 8. Frye is a skilled, athletic big man who has improved his body and his athleticism the last few months. Odds are, he'd be the tallest decent player on the Knicks' roster next season. (Bruno Sundov, 7-2, averaged 1.2 points per game in his 21 games in 2004-05.)

    9. GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    Ike Diogu
    ARIZONA STATE | JUNIOR | POWER FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-8 | WEIGHT: 255 | AGE: 21
    The Warriors wanted Frye or Granger, but if those two are off the board, they'll look for the next-best power forward. Sean May, Hakim Warrick and Chris Taft will all get looks here, as well. Diogu gets the nod because of his length (he has the reach of a 7-footer, a la Elton Brand) and shot-blocking ability.

    10. LOS ANGELES LAKERS
    Raymond Felton
    NORTH CAROLINA | JUNIOR | POINT GUARD
    HEIGHT: 6-0 | WEIGHT: 200 | AGE: 20
    This is a real steal for the Lakers if they can land Felton here. He has the potential to go as high as No. 5, and the Raptors will give him a strong look at No. 7. He's the fastest point guard in the draft baseline to baseline, has improved his outside shooting and is an excellent floor leader. A major upgrade over Chucky Atkins.

    11. ORLANDO MAGIC
    Martell Webster
    SEATTLE PREP | H.S. | SHOOTING GUARD
    HEIGHT: 6-7 | WEIGHT: 235 | AGE: 18
    The Magic could go several ways here, but after shipping their best shooter off to Sacramento for Doug Christie, they would find Webster has a skill they really could use. He's the best pure shooter in high school and one of the four or five best in the draft. He has great size for his position, is mature beyond his years and already has an NBA body. As far as high school guys go, he's the most ready to contribute right now.

    12. LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
    Antoine Wright
    TEXAS A&M | JUNIOR | SHOOTING GUARD
    HEIGHT: 6-7 | WEIGHT: 210 | AGE: 21
    There's talk that the Clippers are the team that promised Russian forward Yaroslav Korolev they'd pick him. However, it will be tough for the Clips to pass on Wright's versatility, perimeter shooting and athleticism. The Clippers have depth just about everywhere, but Wright will provide insurance should Donald Sterling decide not to pony up for free agents Bobby Simmons and Marko Jaric.


    13. CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
    Joey Graham
    OKLAHOMA STATE | SENIOR | SMALL FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-7 | WEIGHT: 216 | AGE: 22
    The Bobcats could go in a lot of different directions here. They would like to get tougher and more athletic, and Graham would be a great choice. He's a hard worker who can play both the three and the four. Reminds some of a bigger Corey Maggette.

    14. MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
    Charlie Villanueva
    CONNECTICUT | SOPHOMORE | POWER FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-10 | WEIGHT: 240 | AGE: 20
    Villanueva has the skills of a lottery pick but proved to be a bit lazy and unreliable at UConn. Still, after so many years without a lottery pick, the Wolves have to swing for the seats. If Villanueva will work hard and focus (Kevin Garnett will demand it), he'll be a nice addition to the Wolves' front line. Korolev is also rumored to be a real possibility here.

    15. NEW JERSEY NETS
    Hakim Warrick
    SYRACUSE | SENIOR | POWER FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-8 | WEIGHT: 218 | AGE: 22
    He's not Kenyon Martin, but he's long, athletic and runs the floor, and he has the experience to contribute immediately. With Jason Kidd running the show, Warrick should get a lot of dunks.

    16. TORONTO RAPTORS
    Sean May
    NORTH CAROLINA | JUNIOR | POWER FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-9 | WEIGHT: 260 | AGE: 21
    The Raptors need a tough scorer and rebounder in the paint, and May should be a perfect fit. Though he's a little undersized to play his natural position (center) in the pros, he should be fine paired next to Chris Bosh. Bosh's ability to dominate in the high post along with May's ability to finish around the rim should give Toronto an effective high-low punch in the paint. Jarrett Jack will also get a long look here by the Raptors.

    17. INDIANA PACERS
    Rashad McCants
    NORTH CAROLINA | JUNIOR | SHOOTING GUARD
    HEIGHT: 6-4 | WEIGHT: 200 | AGE: 20
    McCants might be the toughest guy in the draft to project. On talent, he's easily a top-10 pick, maybe top-five. But just about every team in the league has uncovered a number of red flags on the background check. He's going to have to prove to teams that whatever problems he had at North Carolina are behind him. If he does, he'll go higher. If he doesn't, he'll slip down to a team like Indiana, which is willing to take the risk on such a talent.

    18. BOSTON CELTICS
    Yaroslav Korolev
    RUSSIA | SMALL FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-9 | WEIGHT: 215 | AGE: 17
    Danny Ainge swears the Celtics aren't the ones who promised Korolev they'd draft him, and I believe him. However, I think Boston would seriously consider him if he were on the board. Korolev dramatically raised his stock in the junior tournament at the Final Four in Europe. He reminds me a little of a young Toni Kukoc. Turkish forward Ersan Ilyasova is another possibility here. The Celtics could use a long, lanky, skilled small forward, and both players fit the bill.

    19. MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
    Julius Hodge
    NORTH CAROLINA STATE | SENIOR | SHOOTING GUARD
    HEIGHT: 6-7 | WEIGHT: 205 | AGE: 21
    Hodge might not be the greatest shooter in the draft, but he has all the intangibles Jerry West loves in his players. He's tough and versatile, and he seems to want it more than most guys on the floor. The Grizzlies believe he'll be a point guard, at least part-time, in the pros. It looks as though they'll lose Earl Watson to free agency and wouldn't mind losing Jason Williams in a trade, so the position is a need. Hodge has earned good reviews in every workout and seems to have moved himself up with every one. West has a history of ignoring convention, which explains why a player like Hodge would go this high.

    20. DENVER NUGGETS
    Ersan Ilyasova
    TURKEY | SMALL FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-9 | WEIGHT: 220 | AGE: 18
    With multiple picks, the Nuggets plan to leave at least one guy in Europe for a few years. Many believe Ilyasova was the best young prospect in Europe before a severe ankle injury kept him out most of the year. His workouts went well enough in Chicago to secure his place in the mid-first round.

    21. PHOENIX SUNS
    Johan Petro
    FRANCE | CENTER
    HEIGHT: 7-1 | WEIGHT: 250 | AGE: 19
    Petro has the size and talent of a lottery pick, but he has been very slow to develop it, which has caused some NBA teams to worry. Petro is probably another year or two away from helping a team even if he does develop. However, if he ever gets it, he could be the perfect center in the Suns' system down the road.

    22. DENVER NUGGETS
    Francisco Garcia
    LOUISVILLE | JUNIOR | SHOOTING GUARD
    HEIGHT: 6-7 | WEIGHT: 190 | AGE: 23
    The Nuggets opt for upside with their first pick and go with need for their second. The team needs perimeter shooting badly, and Garcia can deliver. He's not the greatest athlete in the world, but he can stroke it and plays with the passion George Karl likes in his players. High school guard Monta Ellis is also a possibility here. The Nuggets love him, but would Karl ever play him?

    23. SACRAMENTO KINGS
    Chris Taft
    PITTSBURGH | SOPHOMORE | POWER FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-10 | WEIGHT: 250 | AGE: 20
    Taft has the size and strength of a lottery pick and the heart of an NBDL player. He has the physical tools to replace Chris Webber on the Kings' front line. But will Rick Adelman, or whoever is coaching the Kings, ever be able to motivate him?

    24. HOUSTON ROCKETS
    Wayne Simien
    KANSAS | SENIOR | POWER FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-9 | WEIGHT: 255 | AGE: 22
    The Rockets could use a tough rebounder with experience, and Simien fits the bill. Concerns about injuries and size are the only things keeping him out of the lottery. He's one of the few guys who isn't afraid to go inside and bang but also has a nice perimeter game. He has worked out really well just about everywhere.

    25. SEATTLE SUPERSONICS
    Jarrett Jack
    GEORGIA TECH | JUNIOR | POINT GUARD
    HEIGHT: 6-3 | WEIGHT: 200 | AGE: 21
    Jack could be off the board in the mid-first round, but it's conceivable he could slip all the way to here. He's a very good point guard prospect who just needs to cut down on his turnovers. With Antonio Daniels set to bolt in free agency, the Sonics will have a strong need for a backup point guard with size and toughness.

    26. DETROIT PISTONS
    Ryan Gomes
    PROVIDENCE | SENIOR | SMALL FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-8 | WEIGHT: 250 | AGE: 22
    Gomes is a skilled forward, an inside-outside scoring threat who reminds some scouts of Corliss Williamson. He started his career at the four, but played really well at the three this year. He's a good offensive rebounder, has extended his range to the NBA 3-point line and is a good passer. He also has a 7-foot-2 wingspan.

    27. UTAH JAZZ
    Roko Ukic
    CROATIA | POINT GUARD
    HEIGHT: 6-6 | WEIGHT: 218 | AGE: 21
    He has had a great year in Croatia. A little wild for Jerry Sloan's taste, but he's long, plays defense, and is very tough and experienced. If he could shoot, he'd be a much higher pick. Look for the Jazz to leave him overseas for another season or two.

    28. SAN ANTONIO SPURS
    David Lee
    FLORIDA | SENIOR | POWER FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 6-9 | WEIGHT: 230 | AGE: 22
    The Spurs have a history of going international and will also look at France's Mickael Gelabale here, but Lee fits the profile. He's tough, plays defense, runs the floor well and does all the little things Gregg Popovich appreciates.

    29. MIAMI HEAT
    Randolph Morris
    KENTUCKY | FRESHMAN | CENTER
    HEIGHT: 6-11 | WEIGHT: 250 | AGE: 19
    The big kid from Kentucky should probably head back to school. One good year at Kentucky and he's in the lottery. However, he's too big to slip all the way out of the first round if he decides to stay.

    30. NEW YORK KNICKS
    Andrew Bynum
    ST. JOSEPH (METUCHEN, N.J.) | H.S. | POWER FORWARD
    HEIGHT: 7-0 | WEIGHT: 300 | AGE: 17
    Bynum has the size to rise much higher in the draft if he works out well. Right now, the general consensus is that he's too big a project to take much higher than this. Still, the Knicks aren't likely to pass. They need size and upside, and Bynum has both. If he played two years at UConn, he'd likely be a lottery pick.

    Other first-round possibilities: Andray Blatche, PF, HS Senior; Monta Ellis, G, HS senior; Luther Head, G, Illinois; Kennedy Winston, G/F, Alabama; Nate Robinson, G, Washington; Ronny Turiaf, PF, Gonzaga; Matt Walsh, G/F, Florida; Linas Kleiza, F, Missouri; Mickael Gelabale, F, France; Jason Maxiell, PF, Cincinnati; Mile Ilic, C, Serbia; Peja Samardziski, C, Serbia

    Chad Ford is a senior writer for ESPN Insider.
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    Re: ESPN's latest Mock Draft

    I can't see us picking up Rashard McCants. I think he'll be available when we pick though because his stock continues to drop. They're are two positions we need to address in the draft which would be a low post powerforward like (Simien, May, taft) and a backup pg because we need to be three deep at that position becauses of the Tinsley's inability to stay healthy. I can see us upgrading our two guard position to get an established outside scorer but more then likely that will come through trades not through the draft especially considering there are many doubts if Rashard McCants is even big enough to play that position.


    Off topic but I can't belive Channing Frye is rated so high, I know the knicks and Isiah are high on him but if Im a knick fan I can't be happy about that. I would think Taft would be a better fit for them or maybe even go the Highschool route and pick up Martell Webster.

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      Re: ESPN's latest Mock Draft

      26. DETROIT PISTONS
      Ryan Gomes
      PROVIDENCE | SENIOR | SMALL FORWARD
      HEIGHT: 6-8 | WEIGHT: 250 | AGE: 22
      Gomes is a skilled forward, an inside-outside scoring threat who reminds some scouts of Corliss Williamson. He started his career at the four, but played really well at the three this year. He's a good offensive rebounder, has extended his range to the NBA 3-point line and is a good passer. He also has a 7-foot-2 wingspan.
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      • #4
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        I could see Utah making a "monster" deal.

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by Kstat
          An AMERICAN player!
          From the same school as....Austin Croshere

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by Kstat
            An AMERICAN player!
            Yeah, I guess the Pistons learned their lesson.

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by travmil
              From the same school as....Austin Croshere

              Dude that is COLD!!
              Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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              • #8
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                Gawd Austin had a lot of hair back then. He could've given Steve Lavin a run for his money.

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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by Diesel
                  I can't see us picking up Rashard McCants. I think he'll be available when we pick though because his stock continues to drop. They're are two positions we need to address in the draft which would be a low post powerforward like (Simien, May, taft) and a backup pg because we need to be three deep at that position becauses of the Tinsley's inability to stay healthy. I can see us upgrading our two guard position to get an established outside scorer but more then likely that will come through trades not through the draft especially considering there are many doubts if Rashard McCants is even big enough to play that position.


                  Off topic but I can't belive Channing Frye is rated so high, I know the knicks and Isiah are high on him but if Im a knick fan I can't be happy about that. I would think Taft would be a better fit for them or maybe even go the Highschool route and pick up Martell Webster.

                  i think taft being an underachieving, unmotivated, great physical talent would fit in absolutely perfect with the knicks roster....

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                  • #10
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                    I wouldn't mind if we took McCants.
                    You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                    • #11
                      Re: ESPN's latest Mock Draft

                      Originally posted by Kstat
                      An AMERICAN player!
                      You guys are just picking the wrong foriegn ones. Of course you already know that after games one and two don't you?

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Diesel
                        Off topic but I can't belive Channing Frye is rated so high, I know the knicks and Isiah are high on him but if Im a knick fan I can't be happy about that. I would think Taft would be a better fit for them or maybe even go the Highschool route and pick up Martell Webster.
                        It's Chad Ford. I was ecstatic to see that Ford had us picking him because he's never right.

                        Taft, TT and Penny would fit well together - they could talk about their motivational techniques.

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by SoupIsGood
                          I wouldn't mind if we took McCants.
                          I would,why would we want another Fred Jones on our team.

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by Jermaniac
                            I would,why would we want another Fred Jones on our team.
                            Maybe Fred won't be here next year?

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by fooddaman
                              Maybe Fred won't be here next year?
                              That's what I've been thinking. If we take McCants or Garcia, I think it's a safe bet Freddie's sweetener in a big trade.
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