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    Anyone think, if all goes right, he could develop into a modern day Detlef? That'd be that playmaking 4 they've been wanting.

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    The more I think about it I think he is more like Chandler Parson before the knee issues


    I'm not afraid to say this. He reminds me of Pozingas. Only problem is, I dont see any defense being played.

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    I don't believe Ryan Anderson is known for handling the ball. TJ is quite skilled at ball handling. I see more Gordon Hayward than Ryan Anderson. Steal of the draft at #18
    So you think Leaf is more of a wing than a stretch 4? hmm

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    I'm not afraid to say this. He reminds me of Pozingas. Only problem is, I dont see any defense being played.
    Porzingas offensively i mean.

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    Comparison of Anderson has been mentioned numerous times, but Troy Murphy as mentioned by Kstat(I believe) as well. Troy wasn't athletic and couldn't play "D". I don't remember him as much of a passer either. He could shoot the 3 and rebounded the balls that dropped to him. Hopefully, Leaf is a better player.

    I'm wondering how might he compare to Kevin Love other than both being out of UCLA?

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    I was watching some highlights so I have a very small sample size, but his play really reminded me of Lamar Odom.
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    He has skill, that's for sure. He needs to fill out. I think a stretch 4 is the perfect position for him. He is not a SF. Athletic for a 4 but not 3.
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    He's Jonas Jerebko

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    I was watching some highlights so I have a very small sample size, but his play really reminded me of Lamar Odom.
    I can definitely see Lamar Odom. I don't know if TJ excels in any one particular skill, but looks to be a versatile player. Jack of all trades kind of player.
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    Has anyone made an Austin Croshere comparison yet?

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    Troy Murphy comparison is so lazy. He's a much better athlete than Murphy ever was. He reminds me a lot of Lamar Odom, or Josh McRoberts with a much better shot. Not quite sure he's the passer McRoberts is though.

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    Has anyone made an Austin Croshere comparison yet?
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    Is he a little more athletic and well-rounded Austin Croshere?
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    I don't really agree with troy murphy or ryan anderson. To me troy was essentially a trailing 3 player and lazy rebounder. Perhaps their defense is comparable as they have gaping holes. Leaf seems to be a fairly polished offensive players with good footwork and a plethora of moves. He also seems to be a really good systems player and not an overbearing iso player which I like a lot.
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    Ya, it's pretty stupid, any time a white guy is drafted here, a ton of folks yell out Troy Murphy 2.0, or Hansbrough 2.0... if you actually go and educate yourself on all those players, you'd find the only similarity they share is they're white.

    Leaf plays nothing like Hansbrough, and nothing like Murphy.
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    Ya, it's pretty stupid, any time a white guy is drafted here, a ton of folks yell out Troy Murphy 2.0, or Hansbrough 2.0... if you actually go and educate yourself on all those players, you'd find the only similarity they share is they're white.

    Leaf plays nothing like Hansbrough, and nothing like Murphy.

    I was wondering when someone would have to bring up the race issue. Somethings just never change KID... from the Indy Star to PD! Stand up and take a bow!!
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    I was wondering when someone would have to bring up the race issue. Somethings just never change KID... from the Indy Star to PD! Stand up and take a bow!!
    I don't quite get what you're saying, but it sounds sarcastic, so correct me if I'm wrong.

    I'm referring to stereotypes, not racism. I sincerely hope you understand that.
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    I don't quite get what you're saying, but it sounds sarcastic, so correct me if I'm wrong.

    I'm referring to stereotypes, not racism. I sincerely hope you understand that.
    He's saying that because leaf is white, he'll naturally draw other white nba player comparisons.
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    He's saying that because leaf is white, he'll naturally draw other white nba player comparisons.
    That's called stereotyping. It's silly. He doesn't play like Murphy or Hansbrough or even Andersen.
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    That's called stereotyping. It's silly. He doesn't play like Murphy or Hansbrough or even Andersen.
    Ya I don't really see it. I'm sticking by my odom comparison!
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    That's called stereotyping. It's silly. He doesn't play like Murphy or Hansbrough or even Andersen.
    Who does he play like? I mean you mentioned Croshere earlier.

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    I'm warming up to this pick more each day. I think it's important to temper expectations, and not evaluate his fit as a starter whatsoever. If we consider his ceiling as someone giving us 20 minutes off of the bench at either forward position, he is a solid and safe pick. I think it will be refreshing to have one of our draft picks be able to enter a game in their rookie year and score 3 FGs in a row. When was the last time we could expect that from one of our picks?

    The key negative is his defensive liability (and it's a big one!), but this is a much lesser concern when we think about him solely as a bench contributor. I.e., we should be asking how he can guard the likes of Jerebko, Frye, Patrick Patterson, PJ Tucker, Beasley, Richard Jefferson, Muscala, Ilyasova, Sefolosha, Jason Smith, Felicio, and Portis (all bench players who played significant roles for their teams in the East playoffs this year); if the coaches are throwing him out there against starters next year, they aren't doing their jobs right.

    Considering this, and the fact that we were lucky enough to draft his long-time buddy that covers up all of his defensive holes, I think this was a good result. Polish the two headed monster of Leaf and Anigbogu in-and-out of the Mad Ants next year, and I think we could be on to something with this haul.

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    If I squint and have a few beers and only look at his highlight video, I can convince myself that I see shades of a poor man's Kevin Durant. Similar frame coming into the league, similar deficiencies, fairly similar shot selection.

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    If I squint and have a few beers and only look at his highlight video, I can convince myself that I see shades of a poor man's Kevin Durant. Similar frame coming into the league, similar deficiencies, fairly similar shot selection.
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    Ryan Anderson + poor man's Gordon Hayward = Kyle Anderson.

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    Who does he play like? I mean you mentioned Croshere earlier.
    I didnt mention Croshere, lol.

    My point is those saying he plays like those three, clearly haven't even tried to watch him, they are *likely* just stereotyping him along with previous guys on this team who fit his "profile". Go watch him and you'll see he's a good player, don't just assume he plays like Murphy because they look similar, its all I'm saying.

    It's like comparing Murphy to Hansbrough. None of these guys play like each other.
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