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    Bottom line for me is Reggie never felt like a rental player. That California kid became a Hoosier during his time here and felt like one of us and to me Paul never did. I'm not trying to argue as all players are temporary really. I know folks who didn't give two hoots about professional basketball but they sure tuned in when Reggie represented Indiana against evil New York in those days.
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    Bottom line for me is Reggie never felt like a rental player.
    Well, except for that one time he was seriously looking at moving to the Knicks. There was much bad-mouthing and for a long time just considering it made him persona non grata to many.
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    Well, except for that one time he was seriously looking at moving to the Knicks. There was much bad-mouthing and for a long time just considering it made him persona non grata to many.
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    If if's and buts were candy and nuts, it would be a Merry Christmas......
    Just saying that things like Reggie was "never" seen as anything but loyal to the franchise are not particularly true.
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    Just saying that things like Reggie was "never" seen as anything but loyal to the franchise are not particularly true.
    Of course that's just my opinion and obviously the only one that counts.

    Now if you want to discuss if Reggie should be put up on a pedestal then we can have a different discussion. Remember the Noblesville Boys Club request? Yeah, Reggie wasn't perfect.
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    eh, peak JO was like 18 months. I could see the argument about him being most talented if you just take like single day peak of his powers but it was so short lived.
    JO's peak lasted about as long as Paul has been at his peak in Indiana. JO, like Granger, would have peaked longer if it wasn't for injuries.

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    Yes, for now. Because he's leaving so for now until a new player unseats him.... he's the best.
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    This is a tough one to me to say who is. PG is not though. My heart wants to say Reggie. But just like all the other top players since I started watch the Pacers in the mid-80s, Reggie wasn't a leader nor did he want to be so I somewhat give him a pass. So I will go with Reggie.

    But in my time, I think JO had the biggest impact on the Pacers. But wasn't the the leader that he thought he was but I think he tried a lot harder than PG but just wasn't good at it.
    PG maybe the most gifted Pacer of all time but just wasn't the total package. He claimed to want to be a leader and this was his team but didn't even try to lead nor was any good at it. It is one thing to be the best player on the team (ie Reggie) than be a leader of the team (ie Mark Jackson). These guys that are the best player on the team that want to be leaders but can't hurt their credibility (ie JO and PG).
    The only player I can think of that was the best player and also a leader was Granger. But IMO, although a good player he wasn't great and I don't think he became a great leader until he was broken down.

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    I think this question could be interpreted two ways:

    1) Best as in most talented, easily Paul George.

    2) Best as in 'Best Pacer', it's easily Reggie Miller. That would be like saying Alex Rodriguez was a 'better Yankee' to Derek Jeter. Yeah maybe, talent wise and athletically, but not in his complete body of work and what he meant to the franchise.

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    I think this question could be interpreted two ways:

    1) Best as in most talented, easily Paul George.

    2) Best as in 'Best Pacer', it's easily Reggie Miller. That would be like saying Alex Rodriguez was a 'better Yankee' to Derek Jeter. Yeah maybe, talent wise and athletically, but not in his complete body of work and what he meant to the franchise.
    This is how I feel.

    If Paul and Reggie were in the draft at the same time, every team would pick Paul over Reggie and not think twice about it. But if the question is whom did more in a Pacer's uniform, easily Reggie.

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    I picked Big Mac because I was thinking of who had the most talent. Big Mac to me was better at his best than any other pacer at their best. Plus the pacers won 2 aba titles while he was here. I agree that Reggie was the greatest over his career.
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    I think JO finished highest in MVP standings of any Pacer in the NBA, right?
    This is how I feel. Big Mac was great from what I've heard but I'm not old enough to have seen him play.

    Reggie's ability to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat and the way he was a true team player sets him above everyone else. JO is my second favorite because he played with heart and if not for injuries and the brawl had the potential to be the greatest ever. He's still the team leader in blocks and rebounds.

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    I agree he is probably the most talented NBA player but as others have said I think Reggie and JO had better careers as pacers.

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    Imagine a player with PG's skill and a young Chuck Person's attitude.

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    I'd argue Paul George was at a higher "Tier" for a longer time than anyone in the NBA era (can't speak to the ABA Pacers). O'Neal was an MVP candidate for a cup of coffee but I don't know that I've seen a player in a Pacers uniform do what Paul George did say, in the Toronto Raptors series. Miller had incredible shooting moments but I've never seen a Pacer wreck the other team's all star defensively while also bearing the offensive load over the course of a 7 game series. We can talk about accomplishments and accumulated stats but if I'm going to take one player to start a team with out of the Pacers entire NBA history I'm going to start with Paul George.

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    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    Paul might have had the most talent of all the Pacers, but he was not the best player. Once the core group of players (Hibbert, Granger, West, Hill) broke up, Paul did not have enough playoff success for my liking. I really believe that we were better vs the 2016 Raptors in the playoffs. I know Toronto was the #2 seed, but I just didn't think they were that good of a team. Even though Paul George played incredibly well, I just feel that if Paul George really was a true superstar player, he finds a way to win that series. Still makes a lot of bad passes. Turns the ball over kind of a lot.

    I'm only qualified to discuss the Pacers from 1990 through today. During my time, the best player has to be Reggie Miller. He wasn't the best athlete, but his style of play was effective. Fundamentals were on point. Reggie was an outstanding finisher around the rim, even though he barely dunked. Really cared about winning, and it rubbed off on his teammates. Brought certain intangibles that Paul is lacking. Don't pay any attention to the few All Star selections. Reggie played in a small market, and did not get much coverage nationally. Reggie was frequently snubbed for inferior and more heavily promoted players. It took Reggie blowing up in the ECF in 1994 for Reggie to become a household name and get his push
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